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The Muslims allowing the Jews to rebuild the third temple, how is that going to happen. It has to happen supernaturally because everyone is saying the Muslims in no way will allow this. The only way the Muslims will allow it is a supernatural event taken too by the Lord. So what will this event be? Will the Lord soften the Muslim's heart? Will Israel win the Psalm 83 war first, THEN build the temple? This is where I'm confused. - ATP
 

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Neither the Muslims or the State of Israel will be in the Holy Land after the Sixth Seal happens.
Isaiah 6:11-13....cities will become deserted...the Land a desolate waste.....and only a holy seed will remain.

This is what will happen, the terrible Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath will virtually depopulate all the Holy Land, the area from the Nile to the Euphrates. Ezekiel 30:1-5
THEN the Lord will gather His righteous people, His sheep; Ezekiel 34:11-31, Jeremiah 31:1-21, Isaiah 62:1-5
THEY will live in peace and prosperity, at last fulfilling Isaiah 49:8 as they become a light for the nations and they will build the new Temple. Ezekiel 40-48
 

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keras said:
THEY will live in peace and prosperity, at last fulfilling Isaiah 49:8 as they become a light for the nations and they will build the new Temple. Ezekiel 40-48
Israel winning Psalm 83 war will result in them dwelling securely without walls, bars or gates. I'm thinking Psalm 83 war occurs first, then the building of the third temple, then Jer 49:34-39 occurs and then finally Ez 38-39 war occurs right around mid-trib, right before the antichrist is revealed. That's my take on it.
 

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keras said:
Neither the Muslims or the State of Israel will be in the Holy Land after the Sixth Seal happens.
Isaiah 6:11-13....cities will become deserted...the Land a desolate waste.....and only a holy seed will remain.

This is what will happen, the terrible Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath will virtually depopulate all the Holy Land, the area from the Nile to the Euphrates. Ezekiel 30:1-5
THEN the Lord will gather His righteous people, His sheep; Ezekiel 34:11-31, Jeremiah 31:1-21, Isaiah 62:1-5
THEY will live in peace and prosperity, at last fulfilling Isaiah 49:8 as they become a light for the nations and they will build the new Temple. Ezekiel 40-48
Hi keras,

Where in Scripture do you see a 3rd temple being built?
Thank you,
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ATP said:
Israel winning Psalm 83 war will result in them dwelling securely without walls, bars or gates. I'm thinking Psalm 83 war occurs first, then the building of the third temple, then Jer 49:34-39 occurs and then finally Ez 38-39 war occurs right around mid-trib, right before the antichrist is revealed. That's my take on it.
Right, Psalms 83 is the next war to happen, but as we see from many prophesies, including Psalm 83:13-18, it will be the Lord Himself, who will destroy the enemies. Although Iran isn't mentioned in Psalms 83, their proxies are and as they will have nukes very soon; if not already, they will use them. Or actually attempt to use them, resulting in the Lord making Jeremiah 49:34-35 to happen.
What needs to be understood, is the State of Israel currently in the Land is not the same as righteous Israel, who the Lord will gather and settle there, soon after all the Land is regenerated. Isaiah 35:1-10

Re the Gog/Magog war, that must happen at least 7 years before the Return, as the clean up won't extend into the Millennium.

What is sure, is things are soon to get very interesting!
 

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zeke25 said:
Hi keras,

Where in Scripture do you see a 3rd temple being built?
Thank you,
zeke25
[SIZE=medium]The Third Temple – Beit HaMikdesh[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Ezekiel 40,41 & 42 Ezekiel measures the future Temple and its precincts.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Ezekiel 43 to 48 Details of the Temple furnishings and the Land divisions, etc.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Haggai 2:6-9 In a little while, I shall shake the heavens, the earth, the sea and all the nations. I will fill this House with their treasures. [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]This latter House will be greater than former.[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] In this place, I shall grant prosperity and peace. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium] [The Second Temple was not greater than Solomon’s Temple] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Zechariah 1:16-17 These are the words of the Lord; I have returned to Jerusalem with compassion, [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]My House is to be rebuilt there.[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] My cities will again brim with prosperity, once again the Lord will comfort Zion and make Jerusalem the city of His choice. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]2 Thess 2:3-4 The Return of Jesus cannot come until the man doomed to destruction is revealed and enthrones himself in [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]God’s Temple, [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]claiming to be God.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium] [What could be clearer than that? The Temple must be rebuilt before the Tribulation.][/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Daniel 9:27....He will put a stop to the sacrifices and offerings, then will set up an abomination in [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]the Holy place[/SIZE][SIZE=medium].[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Malachi 3:1 I am about to send My messenger to clear a path before Me. [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Suddenly, the Lord, whom you seek, will come into His Temple.[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] The messenger of the Covenant, whom you desire, will come to you.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Reference REB, NIV some verses condensed[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Jewish Midrash sources say that the messenger is the Messiah ben Joseph, who will be the leader of the 10 tribes of Israel when they return to the Land and he will instigate the rebuilding of the Temple. Jeremiah 30:21[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Further on, it is mentioned again in Haggai 2:21, the shaking and overthrowing of kings and how the Lord will break the power of the heathen realms. As we see in verses 6-9 this happens before the rebuilding and therefore, the regathering of His people.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]It is likely that the Lord will use the next prophesied event, the Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, centred on the Middle East, to ‘break the power of the heathen realms[/SIZE]’. This will enable His people, righteous Israel to settle into the Land of Greater Israel and build the Temple.

[SIZE=medium]It is not possible, at present for the Jewish State of Israel to build anything on the Temple mount. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]1/ They have handed control of the area to the Muslims.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]2/ Any move to start construction would trigger a war.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]3/ Orthodox Jews, especially Ultra Orthodox, are forbidden or dare not go onto the Mount, for fear of stepping onto the place of the Holy of Holies. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]4/ Atheist Jews [half the population] are not interested or don’t want a Temple.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Zechariah 6:15 Men from far away will come and work on the rebuilding of Y’hovah’s Temple. [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]This will come about if you listen to and obey your God. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Ezekiel 43:4 The glory of the Lord comes into the temple via the East gate[/SIZE][SIZE=medium].[/SIZE]
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keras said:
[SIZE=medium]The Third Temple – Beit HaMikdesh[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Ezekiel 40,41 & 42 Ezekiel measures the future Temple and its precincts.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Ezekiel 43 to 48 Details of the Temple furnishings and the Land divisions, etc.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Haggai 2:6-9 In a little while, I shall shake the heavens, the earth, the sea and all the nations. I will fill this House with their treasures. This latter House will be greater than former.[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] In this place, I shall grant prosperity and peace. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium] [The Second Temple was not greater than Solomon’s Temple] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Zechariah 1:16-17 These are the words of the Lord; I have returned to Jerusalem with compassion, My House is to be rebuilt there.[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] My cities will again brim with prosperity, once again the Lord will comfort Zion and make Jerusalem the city of His choice. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]2 Thess 2:3-4 The Return of Jesus cannot come until the man doomed to destruction is revealed and enthrones himself in God’s Temple, [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]claiming to be God.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium] [What could be clearer than that? The Temple must be rebuilt before the Tribulation.][/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Daniel 9:27....He will put a stop to the sacrifices and offerings, then will set up an abomination in the Holy place[/SIZE][SIZE=medium].[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Malachi 3:1 I am about to send My messenger to clear a path before Me. Suddenly, the Lord, whom you seek, will come into His Temple.[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] The messenger of the Covenant, whom you desire, will come to you.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Reference REB, NIV some verses condensed[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Jewish Midrash sources say that the messenger is the Messiah ben Joseph, who will be the leader of the 10 tribes of Israel when they return to the Land and he will instigate the rebuilding of the Temple. Jeremiah 30:21[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Further on, it is mentioned again in Haggai 2:21, the shaking and overthrowing of kings and how the Lord will break the power of the heathen realms. As we see in verses 6-9 this happens before the rebuilding and therefore, the regathering of His people.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]It is likely that the Lord will use the next prophesied event, the Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, centred on the Middle East, to ‘break the power of the heathen realms’. This will enable His people, righteous Israel to settle into the Land of Greater Israel and build the Temple.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]It is not possible, at present for the Jewish State of Israel to build anything on the Temple mount. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]1/ They have handed control of the area to the Muslims.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]2/ Any move to start construction would trigger a war.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]3/ Orthodox Jews, especially Ultra Orthodox, are forbidden or dare not go onto the Mount, for fear of stepping onto the place of the Holy of Holies. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]4/ Atheist Jews [half the population] are not interested or don’t want a Temple.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Zechariah 6:15 Men from far away will come and work on the rebuilding of Y’hovah’s Temple. This will come about if you listen to and obey your God. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Ezekiel 43:4 The glory of the Lord comes into the temple via the East gate.[/SIZE]
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keras,

Acts 7:49 KJV, “Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?

It appears you are locked into the idea that a 3rd temple will be physical. Would you be willing to consider that the 3rd temple is not physical, rather spiritual? Why would Yahowah destroy the 2nd temple in 70 AD due to the continual blasphemy being committed there, only to let it be rebuilt thousands of years later with the intent of the Jews to begin blasphemous animal sacrifices yet again?

It looks to me as if the 3rd temple has already been under construction for about two thousand years, and is yet to be finished. 1 Peter 2:5.

1. John 2:19 KJV, "[Yahoshua] answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." Yahoshua was foretelling of the beginning of the building of the third temple. He was to be the chief corner stone, the foundation of the third temple. He was to be crucified and dead by Thursday afternoon and rise again on Saturday night, prior to Sunday sunrise, in accordance with the Scriptures. John 2:21-22 KJV, "21 But he spake of the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which [Yahoshua] had said." All Christians, those born again, ever since have been being added as building blocks to complete the third temple. 1 Peter 2:5 KJV, "Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by [Yahoshua the] Christ.


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Jesus is our spiritual Temple for the period of nearly 2000 years, that there is no physical Temple. But the Bible is clear, there will again be another Temple in Jerusalem.
God required a Temple in ancient times and He does not change, there will again be sacrifices. Not for sin, as Jesus was the sacrifice for that, but for purification. Ezekiel 44:18-21
God's plan to have a people living in His Holy Land has never properly been fulfilled. That is the great hope we look forward to, to be one of the multitude, praising the Lord in Jerusalem. Revelation 7:9
 

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keras,

You're so far out in left field, there's no where to go with this conversation. No, Yahoshua is not our spiritual temple, we (meaning born again Christians are the temple). For purification??? Purify from what? I've already been made pure by the shed Blood of Yahoshua. The 3rd temple is already being built, but there will never be another physical temple.

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Guys, it's not that complicated. Yes, the body of Christ is our spiritual temple and there's also going to be a temple built in Jerusalem with bricks and whatever.
 

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Seems to me there are several places that suggest a third temple to be built in the time of the end. Daniel 8 talks about the little horn that takes away the daily sacrifice and brings about the transgression of desolations. Daniel 9 talks about the 7 year covenant and how when it's broken the sacrifice and oblations will cease and how by the overspreading of abominations the person who confirms the covenant shall bring about desolations. Daniel 11 talks about taking away the daily sacrifice and placing the abomination that makes desolate. Daniel 12 says the daily sacrifice shall be taken away and the abomination of desolations will be set up. Matthew 24 say when you see the abomination of desolations standing in the holy place then shall be great tribulation. 2 Thes 2 says that the day of Christ won't happen until the man of sin is revealed who sits in the temple of God. I'd say you could make a pretty good case for a third temple with those passages.
 

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People should understand what the Lord has planned for His people. How they will go to live in all of the Holy Land, soon after the Day of wrath. Ezekiel 34:11-31
Ezekiel 43:10-12 says the Israelites [all who believe in the Lord and keep His Laws] should be ashamed of their iniquities. Then: this is the design of the Temple to be built on My holy mountain.
The sacrifices are for expiation and purification of the altar, Ezekiel 43:22-26 and after that, verse 27, for an offering to the Lord.

This is what the Bible tells us, any other ideas are simply non Biblical.
 

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Seems to me there are several places that suggest a third temple to be built in the time of the end. Daniel 8 talks about the little horn that takes away the daily sacrifice and brings about the transgression of desolations. Daniel 9 talks about the 7 year covenant and how when it's broken the sacrifice and oblations will cease and how by the overspreading of abominations the person who confirms the covenant shall bring about desolations. Daniel 11 talks about taking away the daily sacrifice and placing the abomination that makes desolate. Daniel 12 says the daily sacrifice shall be taken away and the abomination of desolations will be set up. Matthew 24 say when you see the abomination of desolations standing in the holy place then shall be great tribulation. 2 Thes 2 says that the day of Christ won't happen until the man of sin is revealed who sits in the temple of God. I'd say you could make a pretty good case for a third temple with those passages.
You have been brainwashed. The little horn doesn't take away the sacrifice. So, the man of sin "sits in the temple of God"? What is the temple of God? I'm as serious as a heartbeat, what is the temple of God?
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You have been brainwashed. The little horn doesn't take away the sacrifice. So, the man of sin "sits in the temple of God"? What is the temple of God? I'm as serious as a heartbeat, what is the temple of God?
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Daniel 8:9-11 sounds to me like the little horn taking away the daily sacrifice. Nothing wrong with being brainwashed by the Word of God. :)
 

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Okay folks, stepped in and did a little moderation. Please discuss the topic and realize that there will be disagreement on this particular topic, but that it doesn't necessarily mean a view is heretical if different from your own. Error in eschatology can be righted and is simply not essential doctrine. Hersey is much larger and deeper.

Thanks for the understanding, so let's turn back to the topic at hand with respect!
 

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Daniel 8:9-11 sounds to me like the little horn taking away the daily sacrifice. Nothing wrong with being brainwashed by the Word of God. :)
toknowthetruth,

Has it occurred to you that the little horn of Daniel 8:9-11 was Antiochus IV Epiphanes and that he did stop the daily sacrifice in 167 BC? The daily sacrifice was subsequently restored and still ongoing at the time Christ walked the Earth as the Son of Man. But the conversation I was engaging in regards the end of the sacrifices in the 1st century.

With that clarification, do you believe the little horn stopped the sacrifices in the 1st century? If not, who did?

Is this going to be a one-way conversation, or are you going to answer any of my points or questions? What is the temple of God? And I’m referring to the time in history since Christ was resurrected until the present.


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keras said:
People should understand what the Lord has planned for His people. How they will go to live in all of the Holy Land, soon after the Day of wrath. Ezekiel 34:11-31
Ezekiel 43:10-12 says the Israelites [all who believe in the Lord and keep His Laws] should be ashamed of their iniquities. Then: this is the design of the Temple to be built on My holy mountain.
The sacrifices are for expiation and purification of the altar, Ezekiel 43:22-26 and after that, verse 27, for an offering to the Lord.

This is what the Bible tells us, any other ideas are simply non Biblical.
keras,

Our administrator has reminded me to show some respect. But I guess you still have license not to by not addressing the points that I raised. I’ll make it easier for you and only give you one question this time. Tell me why Acts 7:49 is not biblical?

I just love it when you guys expose yourselves by refusing to consider anything that challenges your pre-chosen doctrine. It must be a very fragile doctrine if it cannot withstand a challenge. Is that it? Are you afraid of a challenge to your fragile doctrine? Are you afraid your house of cards will fall? Take the challenge, tell me about Acts 7:49.

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Because of your sneering attitude, Zeke25, I doubt if any amount of proofs will change your mind.

Acts 7:48-49 refers to the Temple Solomon built. He did build a Temple and the Shekinah glory and the Ark were in it. Then Nehemiah and Ezra built another Temple, that was rebuilt by King Herod. Jesus called that Temple God's House.
The prophet Haggai 1:7-14 says the Lord will withhold rain until they build His House and He will bless them when it is completed. Haggai 2:15-19

So a Temple is important to the Lord. As I said before, He does not change and a new Temple will be built in Jerusalem in the last few years of this Church age, as many prophesies confirm.
 

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toknowthetruth,

Has it occurred to you that the little horn of Daniel 8:9-11 was Antiochus IV Epiphanes and that he did stop the daily sacrifice in 167 BC? The daily sacrifice was subsequently restored and still ongoing at the time Christ walked the Earth as the Son of Man. But the conversation I was engaging in regards the end of the sacrifices in the 1st century.

With that clarification, do you believe the little horn stopped the sacrifices in the 1st century? If not, who did?

Is this going to be a one-way conversation, or are you going to answer any of my points or questions? What is the temple of God? And I’m referring to the time in history since Christ was resurrected until the present.


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Well I wouldn't deny the possibility of your opinion regarding the little horn. Not very convincing to me though.

In this case, since I don't hold to your opinion, your question regarding the 1st century sacrifice is irrelevant to me. I don't believe the little horn has been manifested yet.

The temple of God can refer to different things depending on the context of what it's referring to. Give me the context which you are talking about and I can better answer your question.

As far as a one way conversation, I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about. Maybe you could clarify that as well. If you want an open discussion in which the dialog from both sides is up for consideration and not an "I'm right and you're wrong" type of dialog, then I'm happy to participate.