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keras

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I take James 3:1 very seriously.
Only as the last Days events unfold, will we really know God's Plans. His prophets have given us much information and we have modern knowledge, and the benefit of hindsight, plus the facts of the current world situation.
All together, with logic and common sense, we should be able to figure out what will happen. We are told we should be able to: Amos 3:7, 2 Peter 1:19
Sadly, you are right, most Christians ARE ignorant, uninformed and believe false teachings. They will be surprised and shocked on the Day of wrath.
 

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keras said:
I take James 3:1 very seriously.

Sadly, you are right, most Christians ARE ignorant, uninformed and believe false teachings. They will be surprised and shocked on the Day of wrath.
I've never met more than a few hundred Christians personally and there were a surprisingly large percentage of well taught (in scripture) attending at least one church which we had in common and most of these had some understanding of how to make and understand a logical argument. That formerly Baptist and now "Bible" church has grown quite large in the area, but I can't say that the percentages have stayed the same. We live in a time when a whole generation has received the bulk of their education from videos, teachers more concerned with social agendas and indoctrination than with education and analytical thought, and internet blogs and forums similar to this one. However, as the apostasy gets worse, and persecution increases, those who cling to the Lord will most likely seek Him more carefully in His Word for both understanding and comfort.
 

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The biggest difficulty in getting to the truth for the average Christian, is because of time constraints, they rely on their pastors, teachers and from the many books out now.
Pastors are taught at seminaries and their focus is on salvation and right living. Very little on prophecy and because it's a contentious subject, generally avoided.
Teachers and authors push their own agendas, often just for adulation and rewards.

However it isn't God's plan for everyone to know, Daniel 12:10 says only a few will understand. Pray to be among them!
 

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keras said:
The biggest difficulty in getting to the truth for the average Christian, is because of time constraints, they rely on their pastors, teachers and from the many books out now.
Pastors are taught at seminaries and their focus is on salvation and right living. Very little on prophecy and because it's a contentious subject, generally avoided.
Teachers and authors push their own agendas, often just for adulation and rewards.

However it isn't God's plan for everyone to know, Daniel 12:10 says only a few will understand. Pray to be among them!
No argument there. But I would say that I've seen a real hunger for understanding among new born again believers in the churches that I have attended, including the one that I attend now. Within my limited experience (my wife and I don't like to church hop, but we have,) the church leadership wants to dumb down the content of teaching because of a fear that some people won't understand anything of any depth. I was told by an elder in one church (of which I was a "member") that I should think of teaching to 3 year olds when I created a lesson for the adult Sunday school class. I've always thought that it was better to give a lot more than a little because you'll never understand those things which you never hear, and that its better to teach someone how to think and reason over the meaning of something rather than memorize what someone else claims to be true. Its been my common experience in life that people will generally live down to your expectations of them, but when you expect more from them you may be surprised at what you receive.
Having said that, the largest impediment to understanding is fear. Some times the truth is scary, and how can we be "ministers of peace" and still be able to tell people scary things? How do you tell people about "the day of the Lord" when scripture describes "the day" as one of darkness and not of light and as a day of judgment? The answer of course is the gospel, but how many have heard it and how many having heard it have apprehended it?
In our humanity we all seek reward for our works and our deeds in some manner, even if the only reward is that one thing which is dearest in our hearts, and that one thing should be the Lord Himself according to His promise. When something else is in that place we find ourselves in idolatry, but this remains the test of our hearts. Our sanctification leads us back to that place where the Lord is seated upon His throne and the wonder of it is that it's all His doing in His Sovereignty and by His grace. The risk to those called to teach is still common to man in that we all have a choice to make in this life, to seek God's glory or vain glory. Experience is no guarantee of safety from temptation but the pursuit of vanity tends to weaken with the fading of those things for which we were once vain in our youth. However, any man that serves the Lord in the way of an elder, in teaching and discipleship, has some responsibility for the care of those who have been placed in his influence, a burden on his soul. Yet it was Christ who bore our burdens on the cross and it is Christ who bares them now, and those that know Him have their reward now within themselves in the person of His Spirit, though we long for the fullness of His presence, for His glory among us. We get a taste of that in worship, but the worship can never surpass the height of our praise to His glory nor sink below the praise of our own.
 

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Keras. you have no understanding about bible prophecy at all. you just blend for your lusts![SIZE=medium]In Zechariah 5:1-11, the prophet tells us about a large barrel shaped object that flies in our atmosphere and is situated on the place prepared for it, in the land of Shinar.[/SIZE] I see there is no talk about Mystery Babylon??? I see there is no talk about that at all!!!! Because there really is no understand about bible prophecy on this thread at all! You can throw out bible verses all over the place and look good. but no understanding at all, I should do a thread about mystery Babylon and Babylon the great of Rev. Enjoy
 

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Kingdom Now I think. I should do a thread of Mystery Babylon and Babylon the Great of Rev
 

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In that day happens in bible prophecy showing things to come , but most just gloss over the words!> not in their theology.
 

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Isaiah 29:1-2 Woe betide Ariel, Jerusalem……when another year has passed with its full round of feasts, I shall reduce her to dire straits…… and then I shall make her My fire Altar. REB

Isaiah 29:1-2 Woe to you Ariel, Jerusalem! Add year to year and let your cycle of festivals go on, yet I will besiege Ariel…..she will be to Me like an Altar hearth. NIV

Isaiah 29:1-2 Woe to Ariel, Jerusalem…..add year to year, let them kill sacrifices. Yet I will distress Ariel…..there will be sorrow and it shall be to Me as a fire Altar. KJV

Isaiah 29:1-2 Woe to Ari’el, Jerusalem! Celebrate the feasts for a few more years…..then she will become as a fire Altar for Me. CJB

Then Isaiah 29:5-8 goes on to say how the Lord will also destroy the enemies with a sudden punishment of thunder, earthquakes and flames of devouring fire. Joel 1:15
This all relates to the Sixth Seal forthcoming Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath against the nations.
We know that the Lord will take this action on an Appointed Day, Hab. 2:3 and the Day of Trumpets, next Monday, seems a likely candidate. But there are some things that must happen before the Day of wrath:
1/ Where is Elijah? Malachi 4:5.
2/ Judah still has its leaders. Isaiah 3:1-7 and Micah 5:1
3/ Is Iran and her allies ready to attack yet? Psalm 83, Micah 4:11-12

What is prophesied in Isaiah 29, seems to be saying that only after the seven Mo’ed’s of the year have passed, will the Lord take action. The modern Jewish calendar has 1 Tishri as new years day, but the original new year was 1 Nisan.
Therefore for all the Mo’ed’s, spring and fall, to have taken place this year, the last is Tabernacles on the 28th September.
I do not see Tabernacles as being the Day of wrath, as that Day means ‘God dwells with us’ and will be the Day of Jesus’ Return. The final Day of Trumpets may be the commencement of the Great Tribulation, Revelation 8:6 and Atonement after the Seventh Trumpet. Revelation 11:15-19
So when is the Day of Wrath? The prophet Haggai tells us, three times! On the 24th day of Kislev, which is the 5th December 2015. Or next year?
 

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keras said:
Revelation ties in very well with all the other prophesies in the Bible. Rev. is very helpful in giving us the correct sequence of Seals, then later[ the Trumpet and Bowl punishments of the Great Tribulation. We can only obtain the complete picture by studying ALL the scriptures.
Quite right, only those who have the testimony of Jesus and keep His Commandments, will be saved.

Re: the Sabbath, Christmas, etc, - Colossians 2:16-19


Col 2 has nothing to do with the days I mentioned...it is referring to the Mosaic sacrificial system..read the whole chapter instead of cherry picking the end...it also does not give credibility to any other days, than those that God made Holy and commands.....sunday, dec 25th and easter do NOT qualify, as they are not Biblical and are, in fact, pagan days brought to you courtesy of Babylon and the pagan Roman religious system...so


Remember always salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and commandments and NOT the sungod/satan and his doctrines and days of sunday, dec 25th and easter all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin.
 

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Remember always salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and commandments and NOT the sungod/satan and his doctrines and days of sunday, dec 25th and easter all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin. Quote heretoeternity

I do not wish to discuss the days observed by the Christian Church. You may do whatever you believe to be right, but I go by what Hosea says in Hosea 9:1-9 and only when we go to live in the Holy Land, soon after the Sixth Seal, will we have righteous teachers and will then know the correct observances, Jeremiah 3:15