'NT Texts with regard to the 'three days and three nights' of Jesus' Last Passover'

GerhardEbersoehn · Jul 29, 2015

Abib 14, Wednesday night and Thursday day = Fifth Day ....

1A) HERE BEGINS the NIGHT and the FIRST of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
wherein Jesus ENTERED IN in “the Kingdom of my Father” (Jesus’ Jonah’s descent to hell) :–
Mk14:12/17; Mt26:17/20; Lk22:7/14; Jn13:1.

1B) HERE BEGINS the MORNING of the FIRST of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
in which Jesus was delivered and crucified :–
Mk15:1/Mt27:1/Lk23:1/Jn19:14

1C) HERE is the LATE NOON AND MID–AFTERNOON of the FIRST of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
when Jesus DIED and was deserted by all :–
Mk15:37–41; Mk27:50–56; Lk23:44–49; Jn19:28–30

. . . . . .
Abib 15, Thursday night and Friday day = Sixth Day ....

2A) HERE BEGINS the SECOND of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
the day whereon Joseph WOULD BURY the body of Jesus :–
Mk15:42/Mt27:57, Lk23:50–51, Jn19:31/38.

2B) HERE is the NIGHT of the SECOND of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
wherein Joseph begged the body, and according to the law of the Jews – the passover’s law – undertook and prepared to bury Jesus:–
Mk15:43–46a; Mt27:58–59; Lk23:52–53a; Jn19:31b–40

2C) HERE is the LATE NOON AND MID–AFTERNOON of the SECOND of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
when Joseph and Nicodemus laid the body and closed the tomb; and men and women left for home :–
Mk15:46b–47; Mk27:60–61; Lk23:53b–56a; JN19:41–42

. . . . . . .
Abib 16, Friday night and Saturday day = Seventh Day Sabbath....

3A) HERE BEGINS the THIRD of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
THAT JESUS WOULD RISE FROM THE DEAD ON :–
Lk23:56b

3B) HERE is the MORNING of the THIRD of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
Pilate ordered a guard “for the third day” :–
Mt27:62–66

3C) HERE is “IN the Sabbath’s Fullness MID–AFTERNOON” of the THIRD of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
First Sheaf Wave Offering Before the LORD :–
Mt28:1–4.

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Abib 17, Saturday night and Sunday day = First Day ....

4A) HERE begins the day AFTER the “three days” (fourth day of the passover season) :–
that Jesus WOULD APPEAR on :–
Mk16:1, “When the Sabbath was past ..... they BOUGHT ....”

4B) HERE is the EVENING of this day,
Jn20:1–10 Mary sees the DOOR STONE was away from the tomb (discovers tomb has been OPENED);

4C) HERE is the NIGHT of this day,
Lk24:1–10 “DEEP(EST) DARKNESS” ––– “women with their spices” and ointments go to salve the body; “they found Him NOT” (discover tomb is EMPTY);
Mk16:2–8 “very early (before) SUN’S RISING” ––– women’s return–visit to ascertain; “they fled terrified and told NO ONE”.

4D) Here is sunrise (‘Sunday’ morning),
Jn20:11f, Mk16:9 “Mary had had stood behind” .... saw the gardener (sunrise); “Risen, early (sunrise) on the First Day, Jesus first APPEARED to Mary ....”
Mt28:5–10 “The angel explained to the (other) women (Mt28:1–4) .... As they went to tell .... Jesus met them” (after sunrise).
Mt28:11–15 Guard to high priests.

USE BIBLES OF BEFORE THE TWENTIETH CENTURY – they are not as wangled as the later ones. And compare those ancient translations with the modern ones to see the truth of the older ones!

GerhardEbersoehn · Jul 29, 2015

Last Week / ‘Holy Week’

Sabbath
"Six days before passover Feast Days" John 12:1 (… begin on Friday)

(Palm Sunday)
Five days before "Feast Days" John 12:12 (… begin on Friday)

(Monday)
Four days before "Feast Days" (… begin on Friday)
Mark 11:12 Matthew 21:18 Mark 11:15 Luke 19:45-48 Mark 11:19

(Tuesday)
THREE days before "Feast Days" (… begin on Friday)
Mark 11:20,21,27 Matthew 22:23 Luke 20:1-8 Mark 13:1,3
= Matthew 26:2 "after TWO days (Wednesday Thursday) is Passover
= “Son of Man CRUCIFIED" (… on Thursday)

(Wednesday)
TWO days before "Feast Days" (… begin on Friday)
Luke 21:38 Matthew 26:3
= Mark 14:1-3 "after TWO days (Thursday Friday) is Feast
= “Days of UNLEAVENED Bread" (… begin on Friday)

(Thursday—Wednesday night and Thursday day, the Fifth Day)
One day before "Feast Days" (… begin on Friday)
= “BEFORE the Feast” John 13:1
= “PREPARATION of the Passover” John 19:14
= “NOT ON, the Feast” Mark 14:2
= “WHEN they KILLED the passover…
= “WHEN they REMOVED leaven”
= Mark 14:12 Matthew 26:17 Luke 22:7 Exodus 12:15a
= Abib 14 (Thursday Abib 14)

(Friday)
“The Feast of Unleavened Bread” Exodus 12:15b (… began on Friday)
= “The Preparation …
= “… which is the Foresabbath …
= “… for THAT DAY WAS great day sabbath” of passover.

[SIZE=16pt]The Gospels in clear and completely unambiguous chronological sequence follow every of the "three days" from beginning until ending of Jesus' Last Passover-SUFFERING.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]Christ's Last Passover-SUFFERING sets the path and the pace for the Old Testament passover to follow in, at, and after. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=16pt]The OT Passover of Yahweh and Jesus' Passover of Yahweh-SUFFERING must and will be seen to correlate and synchronize and agree PERFECTLY.[/SIZE]

zeke25 · Jul 29, 2015

Gerhard,

In order for us to have an unconfused discussion, we will need to agree on what the Bible teaches about a day start.

The Bible teaches that a day starts at sunrise.

To mimic king Aragorn: What say you?

Zeke25

GerhardEbersoehn · Jul 30, 2015

zeke25 said:
Gerhard,

In order for us to have an unconfused discussion, we will need to agree on what the Bible teaches about a day start.

The Bible teaches that a day starts at sunrise.

To mimic king Aragorn: What say you?

Zeke25

Sunrise days are found in the Bible in only Exodus. As a rule, nowhere else.

The above chronological synopsis of the Gospels at Jesus' Last Passover is 100% proof of the Scriptures' sunset day-reckoning.

The very first day of God's creating was the first part darkness whereafter God made light and it was night and day the First Day ever since : from night begins sunset until daylight ends sunset.

.

zeke25 · Jul 31, 2015

GerhardEbersoehn said:
Sunrise days are found in the Bible in only Exodus. As a rule, nowhere else.

The above chronological synopsis of the Gospels at Jesus' Last Passover is 100% proof of the Scriptures' sunset day-reckoning.

The very first day of God's creating was the first part darkness whereafter God made light and it was night and day the First Day ever since : from night begins sunset until daylight ends sunset.

.

GerhardEbersoehn,

If you are willing, go to the next form "Bible Study Forum", scroll down the first page until you find the thread "A Day Begins At Sunrise". If you can find a valid Biblical objection to each and every text proof that a day start is sunrise, then please let me know. I have never seen a valid Biblical objection to even one proof, much less all of them.

I've looked over your first two posts here and without the knowledge that a day start is sunrise, your discussion has errors. I can see that you have tried very hard, but it is impossible to reach a proper conclusion without the right tools. One of those tools is a proper understanding of a day start.

I can help, but only if your are willing to reconsider your current conclusions. For example, it appears you are saying that the Last Supper was the Passover Feast. The Last Supper was on Wednesday night, the Passover Feast was two days later on Friday night.

I hope you will be willing to question that which you have been taught up to this point.

Sincerely,
Zeke25

Bibliocentrist · Jul 31, 2015

I have always thought the bible has sunset as the start of 24 hour day/sabbath, and the passover in NT also seems to start in evening.

DPMartin · Jul 31, 2015

In creation, evening and morning was the first second so on and so forth day. And according to scripture the Children of Israel have been maintaining sunset to sunset, as in evening the beginning of the next day. And I do believe at the least the orthodox Jews still maintain that, as a date to date.

So when you’re talking about the Lord Jesus surrendering on the evening of what we call Thursday in the garden, which according to the Israelite is the beginning of what we would call Friday. We are placed between the earth and the earth’s Creator. And answer to the Almighty for all the living things therein, because He gave us dominion over them, therefore charge thereof. So from the Throne’s view we are a part of the earth, the part He talks to, and has a relationship with, or at the least, created to.

So evening and morning of Friday, evening and morning of Saturday and even and morning of Sunday. And it should be noted that Jesus rose on the eighth day. One might also notice that on the sixth day Jesus was crucified and on the seventh it rested and on the eighth He was risen.

zeke25 · Jul 31, 2015

Bibliocentrist said:
I have always thought the bible has sunset as the start of 24 hour day/sabbath, and the passover in NT also seems to start in evening.

Bibliocentrist,

The Bible has never taught a sundown day start. It is the Rabbinic Jews, circa 300 and later, who teach a sundown day start. Please refer to post 5 and then follow it to the posts on "A Day Begins At Sunrise". During all Biblical times, from Genesis through Revelation a day start has always been sunrise.

Zeke25

zeke25 · Jul 31, 2015

DPMartin said:
In creation, evening and morning was the first second so on and so forth day. And according to scripture the Children of Israel have been maintaining sunset to sunset, as in evening the beginning of the next day. And I do believe at the least the orthodox Jews still maintain that, as a date to date.

So when you’re talking about the Lord Jesus surrendering on the evening of what we call Thursday in the garden, which according to the Israelite is the beginning of what we would call Friday. We are placed between the earth and the earth’s Creator. And answer to the Almighty for all the living things therein, because He gave us dominion over them, therefore charge thereof. So from the Throne’s view we are a part of the earth, the part He talks to, and has a relationship with, or at the least, created to.

So evening and morning of Friday, evening and morning of Saturday and even and morning of Sunday. And it should be noted that Jesus rose on the eighth day. One might also notice that on the sixth day Jesus was crucified and on the seventh it rested and on the eighth He was risen.

DP,

DP said: "In creation, evening and morning was the first second so on and so forth day."
zeke: You have not looked at the instructions in Genesis in a chronological manner. Therefore, you have fallen for the deception that millions of others have throughout the centuries. Evening and morning in context with Genesis one, means the sun set then the sun rose, now day one is over and day two begins.

Also, the Bible does not teach a sunset day start nor have the Jews ever observed one. The Rabbinic Jews began this practise circa 300. Please, go to post 5 to find your way back to the thread "A Day Begins At Sunrise".

This is the only way to begin to recalculate when Christ was crucified and resurrected.

He was arrested Wednesday night, after the Last Supper. Crucified on Thursday. Risen from the dead on Saturday night, prior to Sunday sunrise. Meanwhile, the Jews celebrated their now and newly blasphemous passover on Friday.

But none of this will make any sense unless a day start is one of the tools you use to calculate how to get there. Another tool is understanding that "evening/even" in the Bible is the time of day from noon to sunset. See the thread "Twilight versus Between the Evenings" or the older post of "Between the Evenings" which you opposed last year.

zeke25

GerhardEbersoehn · Jul 31, 2015

Bibliocentrist said:
I have always thought the bible has sunset as the start of 24 hour day/sabbath, and the passover in NT also seems to start in evening.

100% correct.

God bless you in the firm knowledge of this.

GerhardEbersoehn · Jul 31, 2015

zeke25 said:
GerhardEbersoehn,

If you are willing, go to the next form "Bible Study Forum", scroll down the first page until you find the thread "A Day Begins At Sunrise". If you can find a valid Biblical objection to each and every text proof that a day start is sunrise, then please let me know. I have never seen a valid Biblical objection to even one proof, much less all of them.

I've looked over your first two posts here and without the knowledge that a day start is sunrise, your discussion has errors. I can see that you have tried very hard, but it is impossible to reach a proper conclusion without the right tools. One of those tools is a proper understanding of a day start.

I can help, but only if your are willing to reconsider your current conclusions. For example, it appears you are saying that the Last Supper was the Passover Feast. The Last Supper was on Wednesday night, the Passover Feast was two days later on Friday night.

I hope you will be willing to question that which you have been taught up to this point.

Sincerely,
Zeke25

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[SIZE=16pt]“The passover” or “the first day they KILLED the passover” Mark 14:12,17 Matthew 26:17,20 Luke 22:7,14 John 13:1,30 1Corinthians 11:23 was “the fourteenth day of the First Month—RIGHT THROUGH the whole Bible. [/SIZE]

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GerhardEbersoehn · Jul 31, 2015

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DPMartin · Jul 31, 2015

zeke25 said:
DP,

DP said: "In creation, evening and morning was the first second so on and so forth day."
zeke: You have not looked at the instructions in Genesis in a chronological manner. Therefore, you have fallen for the deception that millions of others have throughout the centuries. Evening and morning in context with Genesis one, means the sun set then the sun rose, now day one is over and day two begins.

Also, the Bible does not teach a sunset day start nor have the Jews ever observed one. The Rabbinic Jews began this practise circa 300. Please, go to post 5 to find your way back to the thread "A Day Begins At Sunrise".

This is the only way to begin to recalculate when Christ was crucified and resurrected.

He was arrested Wednesday night, after the Last Supper. Crucified on Thursday. Risen from the dead on Saturday night, prior to Sunday sunrise. Meanwhile, the Jews celebrated their now and newly blasphemous passover on Friday.

But none of this will make any sense unless a day start is one of the tools you use to calculate how to get there. Another tool is understanding that "evening/even" in the Bible is the time of day from noon to sunset. See the thread "Twilight versus Between the Evenings" or the older post of "Between the Evenings" which you opposed last year.

zeke25

Zeke
Things of a spirit, like water, always flow to the same place all the time, no matter where they manifest themselves. And your postings always go down in the same dark hole. So I’m not sorry say, as the kids used to say, talk to the hand.

Bibliocentrist · Jul 31, 2015

Zeke/Rick may be right. But at this stage it is too difficult to tell without me having the time and health and resources to be able to study all the bible verses and other resources (calendars/holidays). This always annoys me about God/bible/Christianity: I'm afraid i find it hard to like/love/believe a God that purposely made the bible so darn non-simple/non-clear. (Don't blame the "cults"/Devil, etc, God wrote it.) (Certainly i have a bit of wounded pride/ego/outer-defenses at times like this when i am wrong/dumb/bad, but it is not just all my fault.) People always complain that my posts/articles/writing are hard to read, yet it always seems to me that others are so very long and massive-effort. I quit, I am too/extremely angry. God won't let me do my studies.

zeke25 · Aug 1, 2015

Bibliocentrist said:
Zeke/Rick may be right. But at this stage it is too difficult to tell without me having the time and health and resources to be able to study all the bible verses and other resources (calendars/holidays). This always annoys me about God/bible/Christianity: I'm afraid i find it hard to like/love/believe a God that purposely made the bible so darn non-simple/non-clear. (Don't blame the "cults"/Devil, etc, God wrote it.) (Certainly i have a bit of wounded pride/ego/outer-defenses at times like this when i am wrong/dumb/bad, but it is not just all my fault.) People always complain that my posts/articles/writing are hard to read, yet it always seems to me that others are so very long and massive-effort. I quit, I am too/extremely angry. God won't let me do my studies.

Bibliocentrist,

God wrote the Bible so that His children could understand it while anyone else would find it confusing. The problem arises when His children go to fallen men to learn about the Bible instead of going to Him.

Learning about time markers in the Bible helps a whole lot about understanding certain doctrines, particularly 3D/3N and crucifixion week. Without an understand of "time markers" one is defeated before they begin when studying this subject.

Take Mark 16:2 KJV, "And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun." as an example. There are three time makers in this Scripture: (1) very early in the morning, (2) the first day of the week, and (3) at the rising of the sun. What do these time markers mean? They mean that is was Saturday night and not Sunday morning. How do I know? Years of preparation and years of study. I can show you how to come to the same conclusion.

zeke25

GerhardEbersoehn · Aug 1, 2015

zeke25 said:
Bibliocentrist,

God wrote the Bible so that His children could understand it while anyone else would find it confusing. The problem arises when His children go to fallen men to learn about the Bible instead of going to Him.

Learning about time markers in the Bible helps a whole lot about understanding certain doctrines, particularly 3D/3N and crucifixion week. Without an understand of "time markers" one is defeated before they begin when studying this subject.

Take Mark 16:2 KJV, "And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun." as an example. There are three time makers in this Scripture: (1) very early in the morning, (2) the first day of the week, and (3) at the rising of the sun. What do these time markers mean? They mean that is was Saturday night and not Sunday morning. How do I know? Years of preparation and years of study. I can show you how to come to the same conclusion.

zeke25

Re:
<<<There are three time makers in this Scripture: (1) very early in the morning, (2) the first day of the week, and (3) at the rising of the sun. What do these time markers mean? They mean that is was Saturday night and not Sunday morning.>>>

Fine! Then how would I, for example, know it? Exactly because <<<They mean that is was Saturday night and not Sunday morning>>> ---JUST WHAT _YOU_ SAID!

Where is your sunrise day-cycle now? You said it yourself ---GONE!

zeke25 · Aug 1, 2015

GerhardEbersoehn said:
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Gerhard,

Why would I want to read a whole book of several hundred pages by Ebersohn? I’ve picked out a couple of sentences from two different pages. They are replete with errors.

From page 25 he is talking about Mt. 28:1. It does not say “In the end of the Sabbath” like he makes such a big to do over. It says, “After the Sabbaths”, it is plural not singular. He is following in the footsteps of the errant scholars who try to make a plural into a singular.

Then he says the next phrase in Mt. 28:1 is “as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week.” Once again, this is not what the Scripture says. It says, “dawning into the first of the Sabbaths”. Why has he done this? Once again he is following in the footsteps of those scholars who don’t know what “dawning into the first of the Sabbaths” means. And they have no excuse for not knowing. This Scripture is packed with information that is not just ignored by most scholars, but it is purposefully omitted from the pages of Scripture.

So, after he has murdered the Scripture, then he comes up with all kinds of erroneous conclusions about it. Go figure.

Then on page 266 he misrepresents what John has written in his gospel. John’s gospel does not conflict with the synoptic gospels at all.

Pick a page in his book, any page. I’m sure it is equally filled with such dribble.

Strangely enough you will read a whole book of hundreds of pages of heresy, but you will not even read a couple of pages of my suggestion about “A Day Begins At Sunrise”. Unless you want to get serious, don’t expect much serious response from me.

zeke25

zeke25 · Aug 1, 2015

GerhardEbersoehn said:
Re:
<<<There are three time makers in this Scripture: (1) very early in the morning, (2) the first day of the week, and (3) at the rising of the sun. What do these time markers mean? They mean that is was Saturday night and not Sunday morning.>>>

Fine! Then how would I, for example, know it? Exactly because <<<They mean that is was Saturday night and not Sunday morning>>> ---JUST WHAT _YOU_ SAID!

Where is your sunrise day-cycle now? You said it yourself ---GONE!

Gerhard,

A day begins at sunrise. It hasn't gone any where. Saturday night precedes Sunday sunrise. The women were going to the tomb on Saturday night and they arrived on Saturday night, not on Sunday morning.

In your upsidedown world, the women would be arriving at the tomb on Sunday night, prior to Sunday morning.

zeke25

GerhardEbersoehn · Aug 1, 2015

Re:
<<<understanding certain doctrines, particularly 3D/3N and crucifixion week. Without an understand of "time markers" one is defeated before they begin when studying this subject.>>>

Keen and accurate observation!

One such <<time marker>> is the day-cycle.

The key <<time marker>> though, is understanding the time-LOGIC about the Crucifixion.

The only thing I myself cannot understand about the Crucifixion as concerns its <<time markers>>, is the mind of most Christians how it works while they read Deuteronomy 21:23, because what is unclear about it when it reads, "If a man be put to death and thou hang him on a tree (in that day): his body shall NOT REMAIN (hanging) _ALL NIGHT_ (after) on the tree but thou shalt by all means BURY HIM THAT DAY" ---which together with ITS "night" before it, would be "THAT DAY"

GerhardEbersoehn · Aug 1, 2015

Re:
<<<understanding certain doctrines, particularly 3D/3N and crucifixion week. Without an understand of "time markers" one is defeated before they begin when studying this subject.>>>

Keen and accurate observation!

One such <<time marker>> is the day-cycle.

The key <<time marker>> though, is understanding the time-LOGIC about the Crucifixion.

The only thing I myself cannot understand about the Crucifixion as concerns its <<time markers>>, is the mind of most Christians how it, is supposed to work while they read Deuteronomy 21:23, because what, is unclear about it when it reads, "If a man be put to death and thou hang him on a tree: his body shall NOT REMAIN ALL NIGHT on the tree but thou shalt by all means BURY HIM THAT DAY" ?!

What is so difficult to understand that: "If a man be put to death and thou hang him on a tree (in that day): his body shall NOT REMAIN (hanging) _ALL NIGHT_ (after) on the tree; but thou shalt by all means BURY HIM THAT DAY" ---which together with ITS "night" before it, would have been "THAT DAY" still?

The key <<time marker>> though, is understanding the time-LOGIC about the Crucifixion viz., that TWO days are involved: the first day they KILLED the man; and the NEXT day which started with its night THROUGH WHICH the man’s body was NOT to remain hanging but IN WHICH night it had to be taken down and “THAT SAME WHOLE-DAY-OF-SUBSTANCE” in its very DAYLIGHT following, had to be BURIED.

The key <<time marker>> therefore of Jesus’ Crucifixion which NO ONE seems to have noticed ever, is, that He was Crucified on the fourteenth day but was BURIED on the fifteenth the NEXT day! --- NOT the same day He was Crucified before sunset as is generally believed.

THIS IS THE ‘SUBSTANCE’ of Jesus’ BURIAL DAY universally denied.

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