The Wrath of the Lord
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[SIZE=medium]Matthew 24:32-34 –[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] Christ tells us to learn from the fig tree, when it breaks into leaf, [/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]we can know that the end is near and this present generation will live to see it all.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Obviously, it was not that generation who heard His prophecy, but He means the last generation before these things take place. They ‘will live to see it all’, means within a lifetime, that is three score and ten = seventy years. The prophecy in:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Ezekiel 12:25-28 ...[/SIZE][SIZE=medium].it will be put off no longer, you rebellious people [/SIZE][SIZE=medium][the Jewish people, symbolised by the fig tree][/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]in your lifetime,[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] I will do what I have planned......[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]these prophecies are for a time far off[/SIZE][SIZE=medium].....the Lord says: there will be no more delays, it will be done.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium].....tells us that within ‘[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]your lifetime’[/SIZE][SIZE=medium], when the fig tree ‘[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]breaks into leaf’[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] ,that is when Judah, again has control of the Land, the Lord will act once more in His creation. Therefore within seventy years of May 1948 - before May 2018, we can expect the commencement of the many prophecies about the end times. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Many of the Scriptures that I point out and explain, will be at odds with some traditional doctrines and theology. Because of the seriousness of these issues and the probable direct consequences these events will have on you and your family, each reader must draw their own conclusions. Read the prophecies that describe future happenings, carefully comparing the different interpretations as given by various Bible scholars. But, the only real test of truth is God’s infallible Word, read literally (excepting the obvious allegories) From what I have read, most writers on end times subjects, simply ignore a lot of scripture, especially in the Old Testament, and my experience is; that when asked about this, they just do not reply.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Actually, disbelief and being ignored is what I expect when I point out the prophetic scriptures. After all, that was the general reaction to the prophets themselves. I will continue my task of trying to bring understanding to you and whoever cares to listen.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]As Ezekiel was told in Ezekiel 33:7, it was his job to warn people, so if they refuse to listen, just can’t see it, don’t want to know, doesn’t suit their preconceived notions, or simply do not care – that is their concern, but I will not be responsible and will have saved myself. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Acts 13:40-41 [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Beware lest you bring down upon yourselves the doom prophesied. See this, you scoffers, marvel and begone, for I am doing a deed in your days, a deed that you will never believe when you are told of it. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Obviously, it was not that generation who heard His prophecy, but He means the last generation before these things take place. They ‘will live to see it all’, means within a lifetime, that is three score and ten = seventy years. The prophecy in:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Ezekiel 12:25-28 ...[/SIZE][SIZE=medium].it will be put off no longer, you rebellious people [/SIZE][SIZE=medium][the Jewish people, symbolised by the fig tree][/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]in your lifetime,[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] I will do what I have planned......[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]these prophecies are for a time far off[/SIZE][SIZE=medium].....the Lord says: there will be no more delays, it will be done.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium].....tells us that within ‘[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]your lifetime’[/SIZE][SIZE=medium], when the fig tree ‘[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]breaks into leaf’[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] ,that is when Judah, again has control of the Land, the Lord will act once more in His creation. Therefore within seventy years of May 1948 - before May 2018, we can expect the commencement of the many prophecies about the end times. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Many of the Scriptures that I point out and explain, will be at odds with some traditional doctrines and theology. Because of the seriousness of these issues and the probable direct consequences these events will have on you and your family, each reader must draw their own conclusions. Read the prophecies that describe future happenings, carefully comparing the different interpretations as given by various Bible scholars. But, the only real test of truth is God’s infallible Word, read literally (excepting the obvious allegories) From what I have read, most writers on end times subjects, simply ignore a lot of scripture, especially in the Old Testament, and my experience is; that when asked about this, they just do not reply.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Actually, disbelief and being ignored is what I expect when I point out the prophetic scriptures. After all, that was the general reaction to the prophets themselves. I will continue my task of trying to bring understanding to you and whoever cares to listen.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]As Ezekiel was told in Ezekiel 33:7, it was his job to warn people, so if they refuse to listen, just can’t see it, don’t want to know, doesn’t suit their preconceived notions, or simply do not care – that is their concern, but I will not be responsible and will have saved myself. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Acts 13:40-41 [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Beware lest you bring down upon yourselves the doom prophesied. See this, you scoffers, marvel and begone, for I am doing a deed in your days, a deed that you will never believe when you are told of it. [/SIZE]
Marcus O'Reillius
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When nearly everyone contradicts your interpretation on most everything you believe: you just might be the crackpot rabbi keras.
Not anywhere near everyone, Marcus.
Only those who have been fooled by false teachers, to believe theories that their adherent's are totally unable to support with scripture.
The fact that you find it necessary to use vilification and personal epithets to denigrate me, is proof enough of your shallow and erroneous beliefs.
Do not doubt, the Lord is about to do a deed, to correct this ungodly world, a deed that you don't believe even though the prophets tell us about it.
Only those who have been fooled by false teachers, to believe theories that their adherent's are totally unable to support with scripture.
The fact that you find it necessary to use vilification and personal epithets to denigrate me, is proof enough of your shallow and erroneous beliefs.
Do not doubt, the Lord is about to do a deed, to correct this ungodly world, a deed that you don't believe even though the prophets tell us about it.
Marcus O'Reillius
Active Member
So when I get home, I'll just post commentary upon commentary upon commentary showing how real scholars interpret the Bible and the utter failure you exhibit to get basic exegesis right.
ATP and I have messaged aside at how it is that you can get certain basic things so wrong, even backwards, like saying again and again that a coronal mass ejection is indicated by Isaiah 30:26 for a figurative (seven times is the first clue) brightly shining sun, and then go on to say this will be part of the Wrath of the Day of the Lord, when Isaiah says it will be when God heals the people He has harmed!
How can Isaiah 30:26 be a cataclysmic solar outburst that burns a third of the earth when it is a day of healing?
Only in your mind. And this is the lunacy that we have been left to deal with that this board has become a fallow ground where real discussion lies vacant and covered in weeds, and the only thing that grows is the mold of deluded thinking.
ATP and I have messaged aside at how it is that you can get certain basic things so wrong, even backwards, like saying again and again that a coronal mass ejection is indicated by Isaiah 30:26 for a figurative (seven times is the first clue) brightly shining sun, and then go on to say this will be part of the Wrath of the Day of the Lord, when Isaiah says it will be when God heals the people He has harmed!
How can Isaiah 30:26 be a cataclysmic solar outburst that burns a third of the earth when it is a day of healing?
Only in your mind. And this is the lunacy that we have been left to deal with that this board has become a fallow ground where real discussion lies vacant and covered in weeds, and the only thing that grows is the mold of deluded thinking.
How can Isaiah 30:26 be a cataclysmic solar outburst that burns a third of the earth when it is a day of healing? Quote Marcus and ATP
This is how:
Ezekiel 20:34 I will gather you from the nations.......with My mighty hand and outstretched arm and with My fury poured out.
Malachi 4:1-3 Behold; the Day comes, burning like a furnace......that Day will burn them as stubble...... But for you that fear My Name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing......you will go forth like calves released from their stall. All the wicked shall be as ashes under your feet, in the Day I will do this.
Psalm 50:3-6 Our God is coming and will not keep silent, a consuming fire runs ahead of Him........He judges His people and those loyal servants who have sacrificed for Me, I will make a Covenant with them.
It is high time for all you believers in peculiar ideas to cease being so sure of your false notions and take note of what the Bible actually says. The entire end times sequence is mostly just common sense and a rapture removal to heaven simply isn't part of it.
Outright rejection of Isaiah 30:26 being a CME, is just foolish denial, that is basically saying to God that you don't believe His Word.
This is how:
Ezekiel 20:34 I will gather you from the nations.......with My mighty hand and outstretched arm and with My fury poured out.
Malachi 4:1-3 Behold; the Day comes, burning like a furnace......that Day will burn them as stubble...... But for you that fear My Name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing......you will go forth like calves released from their stall. All the wicked shall be as ashes under your feet, in the Day I will do this.
Psalm 50:3-6 Our God is coming and will not keep silent, a consuming fire runs ahead of Him........He judges His people and those loyal servants who have sacrificed for Me, I will make a Covenant with them.
It is high time for all you believers in peculiar ideas to cease being so sure of your false notions and take note of what the Bible actually says. The entire end times sequence is mostly just common sense and a rapture removal to heaven simply isn't part of it.
Outright rejection of Isaiah 30:26 being a CME, is just foolish denial, that is basically saying to God that you don't believe His Word.
Marcus O'Reillius
Active Member
Isaiah doesn't say 30:26 is a coronal mass ejection which burns a third of the earth on the Day of the Lord's Wrath as you insist.
Isaiah does say the sun shine bright when God heals the wounds of the people He has inflicted (with His Wrath).
So denying what you insist is not foolishness, but wise.
That you can't correct yourself is more disturbing. A wise man loves correction, but a fool mocks it.
You can pull up all the verses for the Jews you want, but they do not apply as you wish to make them apply to the Church.
So just because of a likeness of wording, you throw out OT verses like stones, but in the end, you haven't built anything. You just have a pile of rocks and rubble.
We are rescued from God's coming Wrath on the Day of the Lord when we are taken up to receive our inheritance in His Father's house as Jesus said. And we shall be as the Great Multitude before the Throne of God the Father in Heaven saying: Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the Throne and to the Lamb."
Isaiah does say the sun shine bright when God heals the wounds of the people He has inflicted (with His Wrath).
So denying what you insist is not foolishness, but wise.
That you can't correct yourself is more disturbing. A wise man loves correction, but a fool mocks it.
You can pull up all the verses for the Jews you want, but they do not apply as you wish to make them apply to the Church.
So just because of a likeness of wording, you throw out OT verses like stones, but in the end, you haven't built anything. You just have a pile of rocks and rubble.
We are rescued from God's coming Wrath on the Day of the Lord when we are taken up to receive our inheritance in His Father's house as Jesus said. And we shall be as the Great Multitude before the Throne of God the Father in Heaven saying: Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the Throne and to the Lamb."
Yeah that's the first mistake, believing the church is Israel. These two identities have two different eschatological paths.Marcus O'Reillius said:
Born_Again
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Born_again; Global warming is a hoax, pushed by those promoting a One World Govt. When the Lord takes action, as so comprehensively prophesied, there will be a REAL global warming! 2 Peter 3:7
ATP, quite happy to deny Ephesians 4:4-6, John 10:16, John 17:22-23 are you? The Kingdom is taken away from the Jews, Matthew 21:43, and given to a nation that bears fruit.
That nation is comprised of all who truly believe in God and accept the atonement of Jesus. In other words there is one people, that is: Christians from every tribe, race and language. Rev 7:9
Marcus, your denials are becoming somewhat tedious, making statements as you do, without any scriptural or scientific support, is just a waste of space.
ATP, quite happy to deny Ephesians 4:4-6, John 10:16, John 17:22-23 are you? The Kingdom is taken away from the Jews, Matthew 21:43, and given to a nation that bears fruit.
That nation is comprised of all who truly believe in God and accept the atonement of Jesus. In other words there is one people, that is: Christians from every tribe, race and language. Rev 7:9
Marcus, your denials are becoming somewhat tedious, making statements as you do, without any scriptural or scientific support, is just a waste of space.
Right, those who are born again are one in Christ, but as far as eschatology is concerned, Israel and the church take two separate paths in the 70th week.keras said:
Israel will flee to the mountains in the middle of the 70th week and stay there for 3.5 years Matt 24:15-16, Rev 12:6.
Nowhere does it say the church tagging along. Every nation around the world moving to Israel is silly beyond comprehension.
It seems that quite a lot is beyond your comprehension.ATP said:
You don't think the church IS Israel? You conflict with most Bible teaching, then. I have posted verses proving that and how the Lord will gather all of His people and settle then into all of the Holy Land.
Is this plan of God so bad? Many prophesies say how He will bless His people as they live in new Israel. Zechariah 8:7-8, Zech 10:8-10,
Romans 9:24-26 Even us, whom He has called - not of the Jews only, but also from the gentiles, I will call them My people......And it shall come to pass, that in the very place they were rejected, they shall be called children of the living God.
How can the church be Israel when Israel remains in unbelief until the end of the 70th week. The church is born again. Most of Israel is not.keras said:
Where does the Bible say Israel [you mean the Jews, I presume] remains in unbelief until the end of the 70th week? That would until the Return?
Please be clear what you mean and support it with scripture.
Please be clear what you mean and support it with scripture.
Better yet, where does it say Israel is born again.keras said:
Isa 27:9 NIV, Micah 7:9 NIV, Zech 12:10 NIV, Zech 13:8-9 NIV, Matt 23:37-39 NIV, Rom 11:25 NIV.
As Christians ARE Israelites, the question is answered by NT teaching.
[SIZE=medium]Israelis and Israelites:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Israelis:[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] The current inhabitants of the State of Israel.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Israelites[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]: True descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, or those people grafted in by reason of righteousness. Only God knows who they all are. Amos 9:9, Romans 9:6[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Most Western Christians view modern Israelis as a continuation of the ancient Biblical drama of Israel and as the inheritors of the traditional role that the Jews have played through the ages.[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]Through them, we have a universal moral code of justice: the Ten Commandments.[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]These Divinely inspired Laws form the basis of our Judeo/Christian morality and ethics.[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]Therefore modern Israel has been expected to reflect a high level of justice and morality in its actions. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Jewish teaching also says that history is not as the Greeks taught it, that is: a cyclical series of events in which mankind gets no better or no worse. The Torah, the Talmud and the Mishnah, all teach that we can steadily uplift human society and eventually there will come a Messianic era of true peace and harmony.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Although the State of Israel does display restraint in their dealings with their neighbours, it can hardly be said that they maintain Biblical precepts, such as[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] ‘Love thy neighbour’[/SIZE][SIZE=medium].[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]And as for moral leadership, Israeli’s are a seriously bad example![/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]What then of the prophesies that say the Israelites are a chosen people, destined to be a ‘[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]light to the nations’[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]?[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]We must be aware and keep in mind that the Jewish people are comprised of only 2 tribes, of the original 12 sons of Jacob. [Parts of some other tribes are assimilated.] [/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]Ezekiel 22:15 [/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]The Jewish Israeli people are just [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]‘the budding of the fig tree’[/SIZE][SIZE=medium], a first fruit of the final regathering of ALL the Israelite people. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]We are told in many prophecies that Judah will be judged and punished for their many sins, but a remnant will survive to become a ‘[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]holy seed in the Land’[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]. Isaiah 6:13[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]Then, the great spiritual regeneration and rejoining of all the Israelites will take place; Ezekiel 37:1-19, and as Ezekiel 37:20-28 goes on to say:[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] I shall make them a single nation in the holy Land and I shall pour out My Spirit upon them. [/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]Isaiah 44:1-5 Then the Lord’s righteous people will be His witnesses, Isaiah 43:10 and 12,000 from each tribe will go out to the world, to proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Rev. 14:1-7[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]This judgement/punishment event, the Sixth Seal, will severely affect the whole world, Luke 21:35 and the nations will cede their sovereignty to a One World Government in order to re-establish normal life and initially ten regions will be formed, each with a Governor or President.[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]Fairly soon, a charismatic and powerful man will rise and take control of them all, declaring himself to be the great leader and saviour of humankind. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]New Israel, [Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5] will not join this federation and they become rich and prosperous, blessed by the Lord, living in peace as God wipes out the Gog/Magog attack, but they become complacent and when the OWG leader comes to make a peace treaty with them, their leaders agree to it, forgetting that it is the Lord who protects and saves them. Isa 28:18 This is the trigger for the start of the final seven years, as prophesied in Daniel.[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]The first 3.5 years will be peaceful, but then the OWG leader comes to Jerusalem with his army and conquers Beulah.[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]He goes to the new Temple and sits in the Holy of Holies, declaring himself to be God. This commences the trumpet and bowl punishments of the great Tribulation, which lasts for 3.5 years. Those righteous Israelites, who refused to agree to the treaty with the OWG leader, are promised a place of safety for this time. Then the Lord Jesus will Return in glory, to reign on earth for 1000 years. After that comes the Great White Throne judgement of all the living and dead.[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]Finally: eternity with God in the New Jerusalem![/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Israelis and Israelites:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Israelis:[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] The current inhabitants of the State of Israel.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Israelites[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]: True descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, or those people grafted in by reason of righteousness. Only God knows who they all are. Amos 9:9, Romans 9:6[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Most Western Christians view modern Israelis as a continuation of the ancient Biblical drama of Israel and as the inheritors of the traditional role that the Jews have played through the ages.[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]Through them, we have a universal moral code of justice: the Ten Commandments.[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]These Divinely inspired Laws form the basis of our Judeo/Christian morality and ethics.[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]Therefore modern Israel has been expected to reflect a high level of justice and morality in its actions. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Jewish teaching also says that history is not as the Greeks taught it, that is: a cyclical series of events in which mankind gets no better or no worse. The Torah, the Talmud and the Mishnah, all teach that we can steadily uplift human society and eventually there will come a Messianic era of true peace and harmony.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Although the State of Israel does display restraint in their dealings with their neighbours, it can hardly be said that they maintain Biblical precepts, such as[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] ‘Love thy neighbour’[/SIZE][SIZE=medium].[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]And as for moral leadership, Israeli’s are a seriously bad example![/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]What then of the prophesies that say the Israelites are a chosen people, destined to be a ‘[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]light to the nations’[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]?[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]We must be aware and keep in mind that the Jewish people are comprised of only 2 tribes, of the original 12 sons of Jacob. [Parts of some other tribes are assimilated.] [/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]Ezekiel 22:15 [/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]The Jewish Israeli people are just [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]‘the budding of the fig tree’[/SIZE][SIZE=medium], a first fruit of the final regathering of ALL the Israelite people. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]We are told in many prophecies that Judah will be judged and punished for their many sins, but a remnant will survive to become a ‘[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]holy seed in the Land’[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]. Isaiah 6:13[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]Then, the great spiritual regeneration and rejoining of all the Israelites will take place; Ezekiel 37:1-19, and as Ezekiel 37:20-28 goes on to say:[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] I shall make them a single nation in the holy Land and I shall pour out My Spirit upon them. [/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]Isaiah 44:1-5 Then the Lord’s righteous people will be His witnesses, Isaiah 43:10 and 12,000 from each tribe will go out to the world, to proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Rev. 14:1-7[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]This judgement/punishment event, the Sixth Seal, will severely affect the whole world, Luke 21:35 and the nations will cede their sovereignty to a One World Government in order to re-establish normal life and initially ten regions will be formed, each with a Governor or President.[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]Fairly soon, a charismatic and powerful man will rise and take control of them all, declaring himself to be the great leader and saviour of humankind. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]New Israel, [Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5] will not join this federation and they become rich and prosperous, blessed by the Lord, living in peace as God wipes out the Gog/Magog attack, but they become complacent and when the OWG leader comes to make a peace treaty with them, their leaders agree to it, forgetting that it is the Lord who protects and saves them. Isa 28:18 This is the trigger for the start of the final seven years, as prophesied in Daniel.[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]The first 3.5 years will be peaceful, but then the OWG leader comes to Jerusalem with his army and conquers Beulah.[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]He goes to the new Temple and sits in the Holy of Holies, declaring himself to be God. This commences the trumpet and bowl punishments of the great Tribulation, which lasts for 3.5 years. Those righteous Israelites, who refused to agree to the treaty with the OWG leader, are promised a place of safety for this time. Then the Lord Jesus will Return in glory, to reign on earth for 1000 years. After that comes the Great White Throne judgement of all the living and dead.[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]Finally: eternity with God in the New Jerusalem![/SIZE]
Marcus O'Reillius
Active Member
But I live in the United States, not Judea lol Matt 24:15-16 NIV. Looks like there's two group of people spoken of here. But but....keras said:
Matt 24:22 NIV “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
What is needed is to understand who it is that will be living in all of the Holy land during the time that the leader of the OWG, the Anti-Christ will sit in the Temple.
The current population of Israel, face judgement and only a remnant will survive. Zechairah 13:7-9 They will be joined by all true Christians. Jeremiah 50:4-6
The current population of Israel, face judgement and only a remnant will survive. Zechairah 13:7-9 They will be joined by all true Christians. Jeremiah 50:4-6
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