You don't think any small beans of yourself, do you?ewq1938 said:
Has anyone ever told you about pride? It isn't very attractive in a Christian.
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Has anyone ever told you about pride? It isn't very attractive in a Christian.
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The Barrd said:
Many don't realize a lot of things. It's the way of the world.
I'm not the mistaken one. You fail to understand that Christ did break the law regarding the Sabbath but there was no sin in it.
I'm sorry if you saw my words as an attack.ewq1938 said:
Of course, it is after midnight here....and I am never at my best at this hour.
However, I would point out that there is a possibility that even you could be wrong.
Since Jesus didn't seem to think that He had broken the law, it seems that either you or He must be mistaken.
And now, I will say good night...
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It's ok, but always try to attack the position or evidence not the person ie: that they are prideful and therefore can't see the truth etc.The Barrd said:
Neither of us think we are wrong. Only the truth can stand.
That's where we disagree. Christ knew he was breaking the law, and used two examples showing why he could without blame then lastly said he was above the law of the Sabbath anyways. It was an impressive and strong defense.
Night.
Oh how the pagan Babylonian/Roman religious system has misled poor souls such as this...it is sad there are over one billion who believe that Jesus sinned and did not observe the day He created, in the beginning...satan has a good strong hold on these people, and has them on the broad path...somebody should tell them that all the Apostles kept the Holy seventh day Sabbath throughout their Ministries and their lives, long after Jesus ascended to the Father.....(read Acts for example)
And remember always..brake from all the worldly endeavours on the Sabbath day, and do NOT be a Sabbath breaker! Salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and commandments and NOT the sungod/satan and his days of sunday, dec 25th and easter, all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin..
You did not know that Jesus and the apostles all kept the Sabbath, then?ewq1938 said:
It's all in the Book...
Mat 12:10 And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.ewq1938 said:
Mat 12:11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
Mat 12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
This is not a defense. This is a simple statement. It is lawful to do well on the sabbath days. It always had been. Even His accusers took care of their animals on the sabbath.
Mar 3:1 And he entered again into the synagogue; and there was a man there which had a withered hand.
Mar 3:2 And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him.
Mar 3:3 And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth.
Mar 3:4 And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
Mar 3:5 And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.
Mar 3:6 And the Pharisees went forth, and straightway took counsel with the Herodians against him, how they might destroy him.
And again, Jesus did not defend Himself...it was always lawful to save life on the sabbath.
Luk 14:1 And it came to pass, as he went into the house of one of the chief Pharisees to eat bread on the sabbath day, that they watched him.
Luk 14:2 And, behold, there was a certain man before him which had the dropsy.
Luk 14:3 And Jesus answering spake unto the lawyers and Pharisees, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath day?
Luk 14:4 And they held their peace. And he took him, and healed him, and let him go;
Luk 14:5 And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day?
Luk 14:6 And they could not answer him again to these things.
They could not answer Him because they knew He told the truth. If they had continued to accuse Him at that point, they would also be accusing themselves.
Luk 13:10 And he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the sabbath.
Luk 13:11 And, behold, there was a woman which had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years, and was bowed together, and could in no wise lift up herself.
Luk 13:12 And when Jesus saw her, he called her to him, and said unto her, Woman, thou art loosed from thine infirmity.
Luk 13:13 And he laid his hands on her: and immediately she was made straight, and glorified God.
Luk 13:14 And the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because that Jesus had healed on the sabbath day, and said unto the people, There are six days in which men ought to work: in them therefore come and be healed, and not on the sabbath day.
Luk 13:15 The Lord then answered him, and said, Thou hypocrite, doth not each one of you on the sabbath loose his ox or his ass from the stall, and lead him away to watering?
Luk 13:16 And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?
Luk 13:17 And when he had said these things, all his adversaries were ashamed: and all the people rejoiced for all the glorious things that were done by him.
This is perhaps the best example of what we're talking about. Jesus never broke the law, He upheld it. And He rightly named His accusers as hypcrites...
Mar 2:25 And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?
Mar 2:26 How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?
Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
This is obviously the incident you are talking about. You seem to think this is a defense...but notice what He says here:
"The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath" Now, it was Jesus, Himself, Who wrote the Ten Commandments in the first place. Here He is telling us the purpose of the 4th Commandment...the Sabbath was never meant to be a burden. The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. Are you a member of the species known as "mankind"? The Sabbath was made for you!
And what else does He say?
"Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath."
This is definitely NOT a defense.
Rather, this is a bold statement of Lordship.
The Lord of the Universe, is also Lord of the Sabbath.
Because I love and worship Him, I will obey Him...and keep His Holy Sabbath.
Could you show me the scripture where the Saturday Sabbath was specifically replaced?ewq1938 said:
Here is another perspectivehttps://www.christiancourier.com/articles/387-did-jesus-violate-the-sabbath
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No one disagrees with the above. The above is not how Christ and the disciples broke the Sabbath laws. It was gathering food on the Sabbath. That was against God's law but it was excusable because Christ had a ministry that worked even on Sabbaths.
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The Sabbath laws are part of the first covenant, but that covenant was nailed to the cross. What we have regarding a Sabbath in the new covenant is rest in Christ himself. This is found in multitudes of scripture....too many to post all here.
I'm sure you could post a couple for me. Three, maybe....or four? Since there are so many examples of the Sabbath having been changed to Sunday...ewq1938 said:
Yet you neglected to answer this part of that post:ewq1938 said:
Mar 2:25 And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?
Mar 2:26 How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?
Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
This is obviously the incident you are talking about. You seem to think this is a defense...but notice what He says here:
"The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath" Now, it was Jesus, Himself, Who wrote the Ten Commandments in the first place. Here He is telling us the purpose of the 4th Commandment...the Sabbath was never meant to be a burden. The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. Are you a member of the species known as "mankind"? The Sabbath was made for you!
And what else does He say?
"Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath."
This is definitely NOT a defense.
Rather, this is a bold statement of Lordship.
The Lord of the Universe, is also Lord of the Sabbath.
Because I love and worship Him, I will obey Him...and keep His Holy Sabbath.
Perhaps you will do us all the service of answering now?
I would be deeply honored, sir.
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
So you see those who keep the sabbath do so because they have not entered into His rest, and so how can that be unless they are not of God and walk in unbelief / disobedience?? Just as those who choose to keep teh law do.
In all His Love
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
So you see those who keep the sabbath do so because they have not entered into His rest, and so how can that be unless they are not of God and walk in unbelief / disobedience?? Just as those who choose to keep teh law do.
In all His Love
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The Sabbath didn't change to a different day lol, it was fulfilled by Christ when the new covenant replaced the old.
2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, (the ten commandments) was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
2Co 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
2Co 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
2Co 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
2Co 3:11 For if that which is done away (the ten commandments) was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
2Co 3:12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
2Co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
Col_2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
If you want all the verses regarding this, just google new covenant.
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