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The Barrd said:
This is obviously the incident you are talking about. You seem to think this is a defense...but notice what He says here:
"The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath"

We already know that. The important part is the two examples he used of people BREAKING THE LAW without guilt. He was saying he was breaking the law without guilt as well.


Now, it was Jesus, Himself, Who wrote the Ten Commandments in the first place. Here He is telling us the purpose of the 4th Commandment...the Sabbath was never meant to be a burden. The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. Are you a member of the species known as "mankind"? The Sabbath was made for you!


I know but you are wrong to think that "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath" means the Sabbath was super easy and fun....it wasn't! You has no light or heat and couldn't eat warm food. You couldn't travel or work or gather anything. It was a long cold day, preceded by a day where you essentially had double the work.


And what else does He say?
"Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath."
This is definitely NOT a defense.

Of course it is. He is above the law! So the Jews said, "Hey how do you justify breaking the Sabbath laws??" And Jesus answers" I am above that law since I am Lord of the Sabbath."




Rather, this is a bold statement of Lordship.
The Lord of the Universe, is also Lord of the Sabbath.
Because I love and worship Him, I will obey Him...and keep His Holy Sabbath.
Better to keep the one that is in place, not an invented one you think harkens back to a different time, different religion and different covenant.
 

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The seventh day Sabbath day was CREATED, as the seventh day of the week, God blessed it, and set it aside for Holy purposes...now some say do not have to keep..lol...they want God to do creation all over again, and only 6 day week so they do not have to keep that pesky Sabbath day...what a perverted, misunderstanding of this Holy day...these deceived people would sooner keep some other day, aka sunday, the first day of the week which is pagan based, from the Babylonian system which was carried forward through the Roman religion, and they think they can earn salvation by doing this..they obviously do not realize salvation is a gift from God, by His Grace..and something that cannot be earned, especially by following some non Biblical pagan days, and calling it worship...man cannot make anything holy, as hard as they may try...someone should tell EWQ and others that, as they do not know this already...these people spout Paul's teachings regarding their justification for not following God's commands, but fail to realize what they are spouting is the sacrificial based law of Moses, which ended at the Cross...These people should accept what God, through Jesus has done for mankind, and follow what God has made Holy, and never mind trying to weasel out of keeping God's Holy word, and worse still, trying to defend their false pagan based belief system...

and remember always Salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and commandments, and NOT the sungod/satan and his doctrines and days of sunday, dec 25th and easter, all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin.
 

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heretoeternity said:
someone should tell EWQ and others that, as they do not know this already...these people spout Paul's teachings regarding their justification for not following God's commands, but fail to realize what they are spouting is the sacrificial based law of Moses, which ended at the Cross...These people should accept what God, through Jesus has done for mankind, and follow what God has made Holy, and never mind trying to weasel out of keeping God's Holy word, and worse still, trying to defend their false pagan based belief system...

Nothing I believe in is pagan but your concept of the Sabbath is pagan since it is not a part of Christianity but a different religion that God says doesn't even know him.

and remember always Salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and commandments, and NOT the sungod/satan and his doctrines and days of sunday, dec 25th and easter, all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin.

Whoever doesn't already understand those things is biblically illiterate.
 

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http://www.glenacres.org/Documents/030Sabbath.htm




SABBATH OR THE LORD’S DAY?

-A. Ralph Johnson



Under the Old Testament God’s people were required to observe the seventh day Sabbath (Saturday) as a day of rest and worship in remembrance of His completion of creation (Ex. 20:11) and their deliverance from Egypt (Deut. 5:15). Anyone who so much as gathered sticks or built a fire on that day was to be stoned to death (Num. 15:32-36; Ex. 16:23; 35:3).



When Jesus died upon the cross he established a “New Covenant” (or “Testa­ment”—the Greek word in the original is the same) and abolished the Old (Heb. 8:13; 9:15-17; Col. 2:14). Therefore, we are no longer to be judged by the laws of the Old Covenant.



However, some insist that we must keep Saturday as our day of worship. They maintain that God had two sets of laws, one ceremonial, which passed away, and the other, moral, (the Ten Commandments) which remain. The Sabbath, being a part of the Ten Commandments, is considered to be “moral” and therefore still binding. This paper is to set forth the evidence that we are not bound by the Sabbath law.



I. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THE SABBATH WAS INTENDED FOR CHRISTIANS.



The Sabbath law was nowhere required of Christians.


Where there is no law, there is no transgression (Rom. 4:15; 5:13). “To whom spoken” is an essential factor in establishing responsibility (Gal. 3:16, 17). The New Testament nowhere tells Christians to keep the Sabbath.



Christians are a new nation under a new code of laws.


We are a new nation, free from the body of laws of the old. In the past we “were no people but now are the people of God” (Gal. 3:10, 23-28; Eph. 2:11-19; 1Pet. 2:9-I0). We are not obligated to the old.



ILLUSTRATION: California was once a part of Mexico. Mexico had laws against stealing and killing along with laws concerning holidays. California is now a part of the United States. We are not bound by any of the laws of Mexico, yet in our nation it is also a crime to kill or steal. These are not a continuation of Mexican laws but laws of the United States. The new nation has some laws like the old but any not passed under this government are not binding on this people. Likewise, unless the law concerning the Sabbath was re-enacted under the new constitu­tion, it would not be binding.[1]



Deut. 5:2-3, 6, 15; 4:8; Rom 2:14. The Ten Commandments were made ONLY with Is­rael.


Deut. 5:15. The Sabbath was given as rest from their bondage in Egypt. Christians were never in Egypt.


Ex. 31:13, 17. It was a sign to ISRAEL—not to Christians (Ezek. 20:10-13).


OBJECTION: Christians are the true “ISRAEL OF GOD” (Rom. 9:6; Gal. 6:16).

ANSWER:

The “Israel” spoken to in Exodus is of the “flesh” (Rom 9:3-5, 31; 1Cor. 10:18). The New Covenant replaced theirs because of disobedience (Heb. 8:8-9).



OBJECTION: “All of God’s commands are established forever. (Ps. 111:7, 8)

ANSWER:

The Hebrew word here for “commands” [2] cannot be shown to exclusively mean the Ten Commandments. It is only found in the Psalms and is nowhere clearly used for the Ten Commandments.



Furthermore, the words translated, “for ever and ever” (“ad”[3] and #5769, “olam”[4]) do not necessarily indicate that it could not be abol­ished. God plainly says he abolished the law (Col. 2:14, 16, 17; Rom. 7:1-6 etc.).



The word, “ad,” means, “long or indefinite time, eternity”[5]

Example: Amos 1:11 “...his anger keeps tearing away forever (“ad”).

This is speaking of Edom but Edom no longer exists.



Likewise, “Olam” means “concealed, i.e. to the vanishing point...”[6]

· It is used of the time slaves served masters (Ex. 21:6).

· Lamps burning in the Tabernacle (Ex. 27: 21).

· Offering of the wave breast (Ex. 29:28).



OBJECTION: “The Sabbath is to last forever” (Ex. 31:17, 13).

ANSWER:

The time is limited to “throughout your generations.” It also limits it as being a sign between God and “the children of Israel.” This statement was to the fleshly generations, not to spiritual Israel. Christians are a new nation (1Pet. 2:9-10) that is “neither Jew nor Greek” (Gal. 3:28; Col. 3:11).



Here again, the use of “forever” is the same as elsewhere said of other things in the law of Moses (Lev. 16:29-31, 34; 23:21, 31, 32; 2Chr. 2:4; Ex. 21:6; 12:14 etc.). The Hebrew is, “olam,”[7] “beyond sight,” but not beyond God’s ability to change in making a new covenant (Heb 8).



OBJECTION: “God will not alter what he has spoken” (Ps. 89:34).

ANSWER:

The “covenant” here mentioned is with David concerning his throne (v. 36). The passage says nothing about the Sabbath. This cannot be forced against scriptures like Heb. 8:7-13 which teach that the old was to pass away.



OBJECTION : “God does not change.” (Mal. 3:6; Heb. 13:8)

ANSWER:

The text tells us in what He does not change. This can not be used against the teaching that when the purpose of the law was completed it was “changed” (Heb. 7:12).



OBJECTION: “The Sabbath will be kept even in heaven.” (Isa. 66:22-23)

ANSWER:

It includes “new moons” along with Sabbaths. Must we keep the new moons?

Since Sabbaths are counted by evenings and mornings, and in the new earth there will be “no night there” (Rev. 21:23, 25; 22:5), it would appear that Isaiah was using his usual poetic style, as when he speaks of the mountains singing (Isa. 44:23; 49:13) etc. This is no discrepancy.



Even if it were to be kept in heaven, we are not to be judged here and now concerning these things (Col. 2:16). The passages say nothing about us being required to keep these days, much less establish rules defining how they are to be kept.



OBJECTION : “The Sabbath was made for man” (Mk. 2:25-28).

ANSWER:

Yes, the Sabbath was made for man. So were the other six days of the week. Jesus chides the critics as acting like they thought man was made for the Sabbath. They had their priorities reversed.



This was before Christ died and abolished the Old Covenant that contained the Sabbath (Heb. 9:15-17; 8:6, 13). It says nothing about the Sabbath being required under the New Testament.



OBJECTION: “The Sabbath was hallowed at creation, long before the giving of the Law.” (Gen. 2:3; Ex. 20:11).

ANSWER:

That is questionable. The statement appears to be what is called a literary prolepsis. The statement was written by Moses, as commentary concerning God’s hallowing of the day following their departure from Egypt.



The same reason was give in Exodus 20:11 at the time of giving the Ten Commandments.



Ex. 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor, and do all your work; 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your manservant, or your maidservant, or your cattle, or the sojourner who is within your gates; 11 for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it. (Compare Ex. 31:17)



Deut. 5:15 gives a different reason for God commanding them to keep the Sabbath.



Deut. 5:15 You shall remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out thence with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.



Since God commanded them to keep the Sabbath because He had brought them out of Egypt, that places the time of giving the command AFTER that event.



Moses uses this same grammatical feature elsewhere in Genesis.

Gen. 2:13 The name of the second river is Gihon; it is the one which flows around the whole land of Cush. 14 And the name of the third river is Tigris, which flows east of Assyria. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.



Cush, the son of Ham, was not born until after the flood, at least 1600 years later (Gen. 10:6). Likewise, Assyria did not become a country until after the flood when the nations were formed (Gen. 10:11).



Nehemiah 9:13-14 says the Sabbath was “made known” at Sinai (cf. Ezek. 20:10-12).



Furthermore, Genesis 1:3 says that God rested. Nothing is said of Adam or his de­scendants keeping it.



Even if we assume that God intended for man to keep the Sabbath in Eden, that doesn’t mean that He intended for Christians to keep it. Sacrifice of animals also started in Genesis (Gen. 4:4; 8:20; 22:1-13; 31:54).



The first recorded command to keep a seventh day was concerning the Passover that began the exodus from Egypt. (Ex. 12:15-16. cf. 13:6).



Exodus 16:23-30 is the first specific observance of the seventh day as the “holy Sabbath.”

23 And he said unto them, This is that which Jehovah hath spoken, Tomorrow is a solemn rest, a holy sabbath unto Jehovah: bake that which ye will bake, and boil that which ye will boil; and all that remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning. 24 And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not become foul, neither was there any worm therein. 25 And Moses said, Eat that to-day; for to-day is a sabbath unto Jehovah: to-day ye shall not find it in the field. 26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day is the sabbath, in it there shall be none. 27 And it came to pass on the seventh day, that there went out some of the people to gather, and they found none. 28 And Jehovah said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws? 29 See, for that Jehovah hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day. 30 So the people rested on the seventh day.



OBJECTION: God wrote the Ten Commandments on stone, indicating they would not pass away.

ANSWER:

God wrote the old covenant upon cold hard stones. This was like their stony hearts (Ezek. 11:19; 36:26). Now God writes upon hearts of flesh (2Cor. 3:3; Heb. 8:10).



II. THE COVENANT CONTAINING THE SABBATH WAS DONE AWAY IN CHRIST.



The Ten Commandments are specifically called, “the Covenant.”

Ex. 34:28 “...And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.”



Deut. 4:13 “And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even the ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.”



1Kings 8:9, 21 “There was nothing in the ark save the two tables of stone... 21 And there have I set a place for the ark, wherein is the covenant of Jehovah...”



The “ministration of death written and engraven on stones, was done away (2Cor. 3)
The old covenant (3:14 cf. 3:6)

Written (with ink -3:3)

…and engraven on stones (3:3, 7)

…was glorious (3:7-14, cf. Ex. 34:28-33; Deut. 4:13; 5:22, 24, 2; 10:1-4).

…but caused death (3:7-14, cf. Rom. 7:10, 11; 5:20, 21; Gal. 3:10-12; Num. 15:32-36)

…was done away (3:7, 11, 13, 14)

…and replaced by a “new” and “more glorious” covenant (3:6, 8-11).



This passage clearly has reference to Ex. 34:28-33, which speaks of Moses bringing the Ten Commandments down from Mount Sinai the second time. His face glowed, so he covered it. He contrasts the temporary glory of the Old Covenant in Moses’ face to the superior and everlasting glory under the new. This passage refers to the Ten Command­ments (“engraven on stones”) as being the “old covenant” and defines them as being the “words of the covenant.” He says they were glorious but they were passing away.



OBJECTION: “It was the glory, not the Ten Commandments, that was passing away.”

ANSWER:

Verse 7 says that which was written on the stones “was glori­ous.” The Ten Commandments were on the stones.

Verse 11 says, that which was passing away “was glorious.” Therefore, the Ten Commandments, which were “glorious” were passing away.



It also includes what was “written.” That includes more than just the Ten Commandments.



OBJECTION: “Only the penalty of death was done away.”

ANSWER:

Nothing on the stones says anything about the penalty of death. Nor does 2Cor. 3 say anything about abolishing the death penalty.



The Old Covenant was on the stones. The Ten Commandments were called the Old Covenant (Ex. 34:28; Deut. 4:13). The Sabbath itself is specifically spoken of as included in the covenant (Ex. 31:16). That which was passing away was “glorious.” Death was not glorious.



OBJECTION: “The agreement, not the Ten Commandments, was what was done away.”

ANSWER:

The Ten Commandments were the words of the agreement (Ex. 34:28). The agreement to keep them was done away. Christians have a new agreement in which the Sabbath was not included.



The Law, or covenant, has been “cast out” (Gal. 3:10-12, 19-25; 4:10, 11, 21-31; 5:1-4, 14, 18).
The “law” or “cove­nant” is like a “schoolmaster” that Paul says brought them to Christ. Now that we have Christ we are no longer under the schoolmaster. The covenant from Mount Sinai (4:24) is to be “cast out” (4:30). We do not come to a mountain (Sinai) that shook. (Heb. 12:18-22)



The first covenant is vanishing away (Heb. 8:6-13; 9:15-17; 7:11-12, 16, 10, 19).
The Old Covenant (8:13) or “first covenant” (8:7, 9; 9:15) from Mount Sinai (12:18-27) is vanishing away (8:13). Establishing a New Covenant, makes the first “old.”



OBJECTIONS: “The old covenant agreement was done away but God’s Sabbath law is now written on our hearts” (Heb. 8:10).

ANSWER:

It says nothing about the Sabbath or the Ten Commandments being written on our hearts. The laws of the “New Covenant” are written on our hearts.



OBJECTION: “There are two laws, one moral and the other, ceremonial. The ceremonial is done away. The moral remains.”

ANSWER:

Neither term is found in the Bible. The weekly Sabbath is no less “ceremonial” than the yearly feast days or new moons. They are all a “shadow of things to come” (Col. 2: 16, 17 Heb. 4:1-11).



Scriptural terminology makes no distinction.

· They are all called “The law” (Gal. 3:10, 23-25; 4:10, 11, 21-31; 5:14, 18)

· The teachings of Moses are called the “Law of God” (Josh. 24:26).

· They are called the “Law of the Lord” (Lk. 2:23-24, 39)

· They are called (in Hebrew) the “Law of Jehovah” (2Chron. 31:3; 1Chron. 16:40)

· They are called “commandments” (Lev. 27:34; Mk. 12:28-31. See Deut. 6:4, 5; Lev. 19:8)

· They are all “forever” (Ex. 27:21; 9:28; 30:21; Lev. 6:18; 16:29, 31 etc.)

· They were all given by Moses” (Jn. 1:17; 7:19 “kill”; Mk. 7:10; Josh. 8: 32)

· They were all written in the book by Moses.



There are many moral laws, scattered through the writings of Moses. The following are some examples. Must we obey these?

Deut. 23:19, 20. Laws concerning taking usury.

Deut. 23:15, 16; Ex. 21:2-11; Deut. 15:12-18. Laws concerning slaves.

Num. 35:9-24. Laws concerning cities of refuge for murders to escape.

Deut. 25:5-10. Levirate marriage. Taking brother’s widowed wife.

Ex. 25:2-7. Laws concerning letting the land rest.

Deut. 15:1-3. Laws concerning debts.

Lev. 18:6-18; 20:11. Marriage to near relatives

Deut. 22:1-5. Returning an animal that has strayed.

Deut. 22:5. Wearing garments of the opposite sex.

Deut. 22:9-11. Two kinds of animals, seed etc. being mingled.

Deut. 14:21. Eating a thing that dies of itself; Boiling a kid in it’s mother’s milk.



The Ten commandments, or “Decalogue” serve as a rough summary of all, including the ceremonial aspects.



When the people heard God speak they fled and begged that the rest be given through Moses.



Exodus 20:19 And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.



So, the rest of the laws were given through Moses. He stood between them and God to show them His word (Deut. 5:5). He brought the Ten Commandments on the stones to them. He recorded them in the book and prepared the second set of stones (Deut. 5: 2-5, 22-33) which he then delivered to them. Without Moses recording and delivering them we would not even know what was on the stones.



Jesus said that Moses gave them “the law.” He specified that this included the law against murder (Jn. 1:17; 7:19. See Deut. 5:22-28; Ex. 34:28-33).



The Ten Commandments are the introduction to the Law. The full understanding and elaboration upon those ten principles is contained in the rest of the writings of Moses. All that Moses gave was from Jehovah God. Moses was told how to keep the Sabbath holy. If they refused to obey what Moses said about how it was to be kept, they were disobeying God --including death for picking up sticks (Num. 15:32-36).



OBJECTION: “Rev. 12:17; 14:12; 22:14 identify Christians as those who keep the commandments of God.”

ANSWER:

As shown above, God’s “commandments” do not necessarily refer to the Ten. The yearly feasts are also commandments of God yet they have been re­moved (Col. 2:16), just as the sacrifices. The “commandments” in Revelation would be those we are under. The Sabbath was not binding in the New Testament. In 19:10 the “testimony of Jesus” is defined as “the spirit of prophecy.”

Ex. 23:15. The Feast of Unleavened Bread was “commanded” by Jehovah.

Ex. 27:20. Using pure olive oil in the lamps of the tabernacle was commanded.

Lev. 7:36-38. God commanded the sacrificial offering. (Also, Lev. 8:17-21)

Lev. 8:9-13. The garments of the priests were commanded by Jehovah

Lev. 16:34. Sacrifices on the Day of Atonement were commanded as an everlasting statute.

Num. 19:2. Sacrificing a red heifer was commanded by Jehovah as a statute of the Law.

Num. 27:11. The law of inheritance was a statute and an ordinance as Jehovah commanded.

Num. 30:1-16. The law of vows was commanded by Jehovah.

1Cor. 7:19. Circumcision was included in the “commandments of God.”

Heb. 7:5. The sons of Levi were commanded to take tithes.



On the other hand, the New Testament also included commandments of God, not only the Ten but also others.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another

1Cor. 7:10. And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:

1Cor. 14:34. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

14:7 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

1John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1John 4:21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.



OBJECTION: “The Ten Commandments were IN the Ark. The writings of Moses were BESIDE it. This indicates superiority of the Ten Commandments.”

ANSWER:

Such analogies prove nothing. When Moses finished writing the book he placed it beside the ark (Deut. 31:24-26). All of God’s laws were in the book, including the Ten Commandments. They were BOTH in the Most Holy Place, a type of heaven itself. Both were commanded by God, and both were prepared and delivered to the people by Moses.



Note that the rod of Aaron was also in the ark. Does that mean that the priesthood of Levi is still binding? (Heb. 7:12) While we are speculating, perhaps we should note that the tabernacle, the ark and tables of stones have long since disappeared. Only the book of the law written by Moses remains. Without it we would have no record of the Ten Commandments.



OBJECTION: “Nehemiah 9:13-14 makes a distinction between what was given through Moses and what was given by God.

ANSWER:

All of these things are said to have been by Moses. There is no distinction here that indicates some are temporary and others eternal.



We are freed from the Law (Rom. 7:1-4, 6, 7).
We cannot be joined to both the Old and the NEW. We must be “free from the Law” (7:2), “loosed from the law” (7:3), “dead to the law” (7:4) and “delivered from the Law” (7:6) to become part of the bride of Christ. Being joined to Christ while still under the law is spiritual adultery (6:14; 3:21, 27, 28).



OBJECTION: “This is the ceremonial law”

ANSWER:

Romans 7:8 is speaking of “the commandment” and verse 7 specifies it is the one about coveting --one of the Ten (Ex. 20:17).



OBJECTION: Rom. 7:12, 14 says the law was good.

ANSWER:

The Law was good. It was not evil, but since mankind seems to be attracted to what is prohibited (as Eve was in the garden), coveting increases. Without law there is no transgres­sion, but with law comes transgression (Rom 4:15). Without law there is no knowledge of sin, but with law comes the knowledge and accountability (Rom. 7:5). Gal. 3:23-25; 4:21-31 shows we are not under the Law.



OBJECTION: “This means that when we do what the Law says we are not under its condemnation. cf. Rom. 8:1.”

ANSWER:

The passage clearly says that marriage to a second husband while the first is living is adultery (Rom. 7:3). It says that the person must be dead to the law in order to be married to Christ. It shows that it is the authority of the law that included the ten that ceased (7:2, 3, 4, 6 -cf. 6:14-15; 3:21 etc.).



OBJECTION: “Did not Paul keep the law?” (Rom. 7:5; 8:4)

ANSWER:

Indeed, Paul kept the law. He kept not only the ten command­ments but also the ceremonial teaching (Ac. 2l:17-27). When he went in and was at charges for the men giving offerings in the temple he was keeping the requirements of Num. 6:9-12. He did this that he might save the Jews (1Cor. 9:20-22). He also kept the law concerning circumcision in the case of Timothy (Ac. 16:3), but he refused to circumcise Titus (Gal. 3:3).



Christ did not put his laws into old wineskins (Matt. 9:16-17).
Christ did not just patch up the Old Covenant. He gave us a new covenant. Nothing passed from the law and the prophets until it was ALL fulfilled (Matt. 5:17-18). Christ came to do just that. Now it is fulfilled and has passed away.



III. THE SABBATH IS SPECIFICALLY CITED AS NO LONGER BINDING.



Col. 2:14-17, 20, 21[8] says we are not judged by the Law.



It says, that the bond written in ordinances[9] that was against us, he had “taken out of the way, nailing it to the cross.” Verse 16 says, “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a feast day or a new moon or a Sabbath day: which are a shadow of things to come... “



Here we have the three-fold list of sacred observances:

1. “Feast days” (Greek. “heorte” 27 times in the NT, always of the yearly feasts. (Lk. 2:41; 22:1; Jn. 7:2; Ac. 18:21).



2. “New moons”—clearly the monthly holy days (cf. Num. 10:10)

2Chron 8:13 Even after a certain rate every day, offering according to the commandment of Moses, on the sabbaths, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts, three times in the year, even in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles.



Note that the three solemn feasts are The Feast of Unleavened Bread (Passover), the Feast of Weeks (Pentecost), and the Feast of Tabernacles. They are not called “sabbaths.” They are clearly distinguished.



3. “Sabbaths” (sabbatoon) is the weekly observances.



OBJECTION: “The word is plural, ‘Sabbaths,’ indicating the yearly Sabbaths. When speaking of the weekly Sabbath, it is never used in the plural.”

ANSWER:

a. Nowhere in the, New Testament is any form of the word “sabbath” (singular or plural) used of any yearly feast.



b. The fact that it is plural in no way indicates it is not speaking of the weekly Sabbaths. If anything, the plural would include all Sabbaths. We find the plural “Sabbath days” is used eight other times (Mat. 12:5, 10, 12; Mark 3:4; Luke 4:31; 6:2, 9; Acts 17:2) for the weekly rest in the King James version of the New Testament. Besides that, “sabbatoon” (plural) is used of the weekly rest four times in the same identical form. (Matt 28:1; Luke 4:16; Acts 13:14; 16:13)



c. In the Greek translation of the Old Testament (Septuagint) we find the plural commonly used of weekly Sabbath --even right in the Ten Commandments (Ex. 20:8; Deut. 5:12, 15. cf. Lev. 23:15, 38).



a. On the other hand, it is rare to find the yearly feast days called “Sabbaths.”

Lev. 16:31 [#7676] shabbat [#7677] shabaatown, translated, “Sabbath rest” defined by Strong as “a sabbatism or special holiday.” --Day of Atonement, 10th day of the seventh month.



Lev. 23:24 [#7677] “shabaatown,” which Strong defines as “a sabbatism or special holiday.” --Speaking of the Feast of Trumpets, first day of 7th month.



Lev. 23:32 [#7676] shabbath [#7677] shabbathown, translated, “Sabbath rest,” defined as “a sabbatism or special holiday.” --Day of Atonement, 10th day of 7th month.



Lev. 23:39 [#7677] shabbathown “a sabbatism or special holiday.”

This was on the fifteenth day of the 7th month, 8 days later (one week, which again falls on the Sabbath)



Note that #7677, which we find in Exodus 8 for the weekly Sabbath is only used in Lev. 16:31 and 23:32. In both those cases it is accompanied with the explanatory word #7677, indicating it was a rest like the Sabbath.



This is distinctively designated as, “sabbata sabba­ton,” unlike Col. 2:16, which only uses the word, “sabbaton.” Nowhere else is any form of this word used with reference to the yearly feasts. Interestingly, even in this chapter we find the yearly observances 8 times called “feasts” (Lev. 34:2, 4, 6, 34, 37, 39, 41, 44). This was the common way of designating the yearly feasts throughout both the Old and New Testaments.



In addition to these cases where yearly feast days are called Sabbaths, we find that every seventh year is also called a “Sabbath,” for the land to rest (Lev. 25:2, 4; 26:34-35; 2Chron. 36:21)



The three-fold grouping of yearly, monthly and weekly observances appears several times in the Bible though some of these are in a different order (1Chron. 23:31; 2Chron. 2:4; 8:13; 31:3; Neh.10:33).



Ezek. 45:17 and Hos. 2:11 have the same order as Col. 2. Note the following compar­ison:



Ezek. 45:17 (Septuagint)

In
the
feasts
and
at
the
new moons
and
on
the
Sabbaths

En
tais
heortais
kai
en
tais
noumeniais
kai
en
tois
sabbatois




Col. 2:16

In
respect
of a feast
or the
new moon
or of the
Sabbaths

En
merei
heortees
hee
neomeenias
hee
sabbatoon




In Gal. 4:10, speaking of their return to the Law (3:10, 12, 23-25; 4:4, 5, 21-30), he uses this order, “Ye observe days, and months, and seasons, and years...”



OBJECTION: “The Sabbath was not a ‘hand-written ordinance’.”

ANSWER:

God wrote on the stones with His hand. (Ex. 31:18; 32:16; 34:1; Deut. 10:1-4; 9:10; 4:13; 5:22; 2Kings 17:37).

Moses wrote it in the book with his hand (Ex. 34:21-28; 24:4. cf. Ex. 20).

The Greek word for “ordinance” is “dogma” and means “decree.” (cf. Ac. 16:4; 15:28, 29). Note: “fornica­tion” is one of the Ten.)



OBJECTION: “Stones could not be ‘nailed’.”

ANSWER:

-Nor was the book “nailed.” Christ was nailed and in so doing he sym­bolically carried the old covenant to the cross with him (Heb. 9:15-17), both were “written and engraven” (2Cor. 3:3, 7).



OBJECTION: “The Sabbath was FOR man, not against him.”

ANSWER:

All of the law was intended for man’s good

Lev. 16:30; 23:28. The Atonement was “for” them.

Lev. 23:11. The wave sheaf sacrifice was “for” them.

Num. 35:11. The cities of refuge were “for” them.



However, through human weakness, the commandment which was unto life, was found to be unto death (Rom. 7:I0; Gal. 3:10-13, 22, 23; 4:3, 5, 25; 5:3; Heb. 7:18, 19; 8:7, 8; 2Co. 3:7). Thus, the old localized concept of Sabbath was replaced by the universal concept of commemorating the resurrection of Christ.



OBJECTION: “The Sabbath was a memorial, looking backwards to creation, not a shadow of things to come.”

ANSWER:

The Passover looked back to the deliverance from Egypt and also forward to deliverance through the blood of Christ.” Likewise, the Sabbath looks backwards to both Egypt and creation. (Ex. 20:11; Deut. 5:15), and forward to our entrance into God’s rest (Heb. 4:1-11). The Jews kept the Sabbath yet they never entered that rest. We are told to labor to enter into it.
 

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Jesus said He is lord of the seventh day Sabbath, He kept it throughout His ministry, the Apostles keep the seventh day Sabbath throughout their ministries and their lives, and God commanded it be kept Holy, as He had created it as a Holy day, and set it aside for Holy purposes...thats good enough for me to keep this day with family in prayer, Bible study, discussion, and rest....it is great for bonding with family, and rejuvenate ones spiritual, physical and psychological health...and is a joy....
So to all those who would sooner follow pagan Rome/Babylon..knock yourselves out...this would explain why society is really not doing that well, and has become a cesspool...satan loves to destroy people....

Remember always salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and commandments and NOT the sungod/satan and his doctrines and days of sunday, dec 25th and easter, all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin...
 

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heretoeternity said:
Jesus said He is lord of the seventh day Sabbath, He kept it throughout His ministry, the Apostles keep the seventh day Sabbath throughout their ministries and their lives, and God commanded it be kept Holy, as He had created it as a Holy day, and set it aside for Holy purposes...thats good enough for me to keep this day with family in prayer, Bible study, discussion, and rest....it is great for bonding with family, and rejuvenate ones spiritual, physical and psychological health...and is a joy....
So to all those who would sooner follow pagan Rome/Babylon..knock yourselves out...this would explain why society is really not doing that well, and has become a cesspool...satan loves to destroy people....

Remember always salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and commandments and NOT the sungod/satan and his doctrines and days of sunday, dec 25th and easter, all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin...

Are you SDA?
 

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http://www.glenacres.org/Documents/030Sabbath.htm




SABBATH OR THE LORD’S DAY?

-A. Ralph Johnson



Under the Old Testament God’s people were required to observe the seventh day Sabbath (Saturday) as a day of rest and worship in remembrance of His completion of creation (Ex. 20:11) and their deliverance from Egypt (Deut. 5:15). Anyone who so much as gathered sticks or built a fire on that day was to be stoned to death (Num. 15:32-36; Ex. 16:23; 35:3).



When Jesus died upon the cross he established a “New Covenant” (or “Testa­ment”—the Greek word in the original is the same) and abolished the Old (Heb. 8:13; 9:15-17; Col. 2:14). Therefore, we are no longer to be judged by the laws of the Old Covenant.



However, some insist that we must keep Saturday as our day of worship. They maintain that God had two sets of laws, one ceremonial, which passed away, and the other, moral, (the Ten Commandments) which remain. The Sabbath, being a part of the Ten Commandments, is considered to be “moral” and therefore still binding. This paper is to set forth the evidence that we are not bound by the Sabbath law.



I. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THE SABBATH WAS INTENDED FOR CHRISTIANS.



The Sabbath law was nowhere required of Christians.


Where there is no law, there is no transgression (Rom. 4:15; 5:13). “To whom spoken” is an essential factor in establishing responsibility (Gal. 3:16, 17). The New Testament nowhere tells Christians to keep the Sabbath.



Christians are a new nation under a new code of laws.


We are a new nation, free from the body of laws of the old. In the past we “were no people but now are the people of God” (Gal. 3:10, 23-28; Eph. 2:11-19; 1Pet. 2:9-I0). We are not obligated to the old.



ILLUSTRATION: California was once a part of Mexico. Mexico had laws against stealing and killing along with laws concerning holidays. California is now a part of the United States. We are not bound by any of the laws of Mexico, yet in our nation it is also a crime to kill or steal. These are not a continuation of Mexican laws but laws of the United States. The new nation has some laws like the old but any not passed under this government are not binding on this people. Likewise, unless the law concerning the Sabbath was re-enacted under the new constitu­tion, it would not be binding.[1]



Deut. 5:2-3, 6, 15; 4:8; Rom 2:14. The Ten Commandments were made ONLY with Is­rael.


Deut. 5:15. The Sabbath was given as rest from their bondage in Egypt. Christians were never in Egypt.


Ex. 31:13, 17. It was a sign to ISRAEL—not to Christians (Ezek. 20:10-13).


OBJECTION: Christians are the true “ISRAEL OF GOD” (Rom. 9:6; Gal. 6:16).

ANSWER:

The “Israel” spoken to in Exodus is of the “flesh” (Rom 9:3-5, 31; 1Cor. 10:18). The New Covenant replaced theirs because of disobedience (Heb. 8:8-9).



OBJECTION: “All of God’s commands are established forever. (Ps. 111:7, 8)

ANSWER:

The Hebrew word here for “commands” [2] cannot be shown to exclusively mean the Ten Commandments. It is only found in the Psalms and is nowhere clearly used for the Ten Commandments.



Furthermore, the words translated, “for ever and ever” (“ad”[3] and #5769, “olam”[4]) do not necessarily indicate that it could not be abol­ished. God plainly says he abolished the law (Col. 2:14, 16, 17; Rom. 7:1-6 etc.).



The word, “ad,” means, “long or indefinite time, eternity”[5]

Example: Amos 1:11 “...his anger keeps tearing away forever (“ad”).

This is speaking of Edom but Edom no longer exists.



Likewise, “Olam” means “concealed, i.e. to the vanishing point...”[6]

· It is used of the time slaves served masters (Ex. 21:6).

· Lamps burning in the Tabernacle (Ex. 27: 21).

· Offering of the wave breast (Ex. 29:28).



OBJECTION: “The Sabbath is to last forever” (Ex. 31:17, 13).

ANSWER:

The time is limited to “throughout your generations.” It also limits it as being a sign between God and “the children of Israel.” This statement was to the fleshly generations, not to spiritual Israel. Christians are a new nation (1Pet. 2:9-10) that is “neither Jew nor Greek” (Gal. 3:28; Col. 3:11).



Here again, the use of “forever” is the same as elsewhere said of other things in the law of Moses (Lev. 16:29-31, 34; 23:21, 31, 32; 2Chr. 2:4; Ex. 21:6; 12:14 etc.). The Hebrew is, “olam,”[7] “beyond sight,” but not beyond God’s ability to change in making a new covenant (Heb 8).



OBJECTION: “God will not alter what he has spoken” (Ps. 89:34).

ANSWER:

The “covenant” here mentioned is with David concerning his throne (v. 36). The passage says nothing about the Sabbath. This cannot be forced against scriptures like Heb. 8:7-13 which teach that the old was to pass away.



OBJECTION : “God does not change.” (Mal. 3:6; Heb. 13:8)

ANSWER:

The text tells us in what He does not change. This can not be used against the teaching that when the purpose of the law was completed it was “changed” (Heb. 7:12).



OBJECTION: “The Sabbath will be kept even in heaven.” (Isa. 66:22-23)

ANSWER:

It includes “new moons” along with Sabbaths. Must we keep the new moons?

Since Sabbaths are counted by evenings and mornings, and in the new earth there will be “no night there” (Rev. 21:23, 25; 22:5), it would appear that Isaiah was using his usual poetic style, as when he speaks of the mountains singing (Isa. 44:23; 49:13) etc. This is no discrepancy.



Even if it were to be kept in heaven, we are not to be judged here and now concerning these things (Col. 2:16). The passages say nothing about us being required to keep these days, much less establish rules defining how they are to be kept.



OBJECTION : “The Sabbath was made for man” (Mk. 2:25-28).

ANSWER:

Yes, the Sabbath was made for man. So were the other six days of the week. Jesus chides the critics as acting like they thought man was made for the Sabbath. They had their priorities reversed.



This was before Christ died and abolished the Old Covenant that contained the Sabbath (Heb. 9:15-17; 8:6, 13). It says nothing about the Sabbath being required under the New Testament.



OBJECTION: “The Sabbath was hallowed at creation, long before the giving of the Law.” (Gen. 2:3; Ex. 20:11).

ANSWER:

That is questionable. The statement appears to be what is called a literary prolepsis. The statement was written by Moses, as commentary concerning God’s hallowing of the day following their departure from Egypt.



The same reason was give in Exodus 20:11 at the time of giving the Ten Commandments.



Ex. 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor, and do all your work; 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your manservant, or your maidservant, or your cattle, or the sojourner who is within your gates; 11 for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it. (Compare Ex. 31:17)



Deut. 5:15 gives a different reason for God commanding them to keep the Sabbath.



Deut. 5:15 You shall remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out thence with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.



Since God commanded them to keep the Sabbath because He had brought them out of Egypt, that places the time of giving the command AFTER that event.



Moses uses this same grammatical feature elsewhere in Genesis.

Gen. 2:13 The name of the second river is Gihon; it is the one which flows around the whole land of Cush. 14 And the name of the third river is Tigris, which flows east of Assyria. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.



Cush, the son of Ham, was not born until after the flood, at least 1600 years later (Gen. 10:6). Likewise, Assyria did not become a country until after the flood when the nations were formed (Gen. 10:11).



Nehemiah 9:13-14 says the Sabbath was “made known” at Sinai (cf. Ezek. 20:10-12).



Furthermore, Genesis 1:3 says that God rested. Nothing is said of Adam or his de­scendants keeping it.



Even if we assume that God intended for man to keep the Sabbath in Eden, that doesn’t mean that He intended for Christians to keep it. Sacrifice of animals also started in Genesis (Gen. 4:4; 8:20; 22:1-13; 31:54).



The first recorded command to keep a seventh day was concerning the Passover that began the exodus from Egypt. (Ex. 12:15-16. cf. 13:6).



Exodus 16:23-30 is the first specific observance of the seventh day as the “holy Sabbath.”

23 And he said unto them, This is that which Jehovah hath spoken, Tomorrow is a solemn rest, a holy sabbath unto Jehovah: bake that which ye will bake, and boil that which ye will boil; and all that remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning. 24 And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not become foul, neither was there any worm therein. 25 And Moses said, Eat that to-day; for to-day is a sabbath unto Jehovah: to-day ye shall not find it in the field. 26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day is the sabbath, in it there shall be none. 27 And it came to pass on the seventh day, that there went out some of the people to gather, and they found none. 28 And Jehovah said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws? 29 See, for that Jehovah hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day. 30 So the people rested on the seventh day.



OBJECTION: God wrote the Ten Commandments on stone, indicating they would not pass away.

ANSWER:

God wrote the old covenant upon cold hard stones. This was like their stony hearts (Ezek. 11:19; 36:26). Now God writes upon hearts of flesh (2Cor. 3:3; Heb. 8:10).



II. THE COVENANT CONTAINING THE SABBATH WAS DONE AWAY IN CHRIST.



The Ten Commandments are specifically called, “the Covenant.”

Ex. 34:28 “...And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.”



Deut. 4:13 “And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even the ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.”



1Kings 8:9, 21 “There was nothing in the ark save the two tables of stone... 21 And there have I set a place for the ark, wherein is the covenant of Jehovah...”



The “ministration of death written and engraven on stones, was done away (2Cor. 3)
The old covenant (3:14 cf. 3:6)

Written (with ink -3:3)

…and engraven on stones (3:3, 7)

…was glorious (3:7-14, cf. Ex. 34:28-33; Deut. 4:13; 5:22, 24, 2; 10:1-4).

…but caused death (3:7-14, cf. Rom. 7:10, 11; 5:20, 21; Gal. 3:10-12; Num. 15:32-36)

…was done away (3:7, 11, 13, 14)

…and replaced by a “new” and “more glorious” covenant (3:6, 8-11).



This passage clearly has reference to Ex. 34:28-33, which speaks of Moses bringing the Ten Commandments down from Mount Sinai the second time. His face glowed, so he covered it. He contrasts the temporary glory of the Old Covenant in Moses’ face to the superior and everlasting glory under the new. This passage refers to the Ten Command­ments (“engraven on stones”) as being the “old covenant” and defines them as being the “words of the covenant.” He says they were glorious but they were passing away.



OBJECTION: “It was the glory, not the Ten Commandments, that was passing away.”

ANSWER:

Verse 7 says that which was written on the stones “was glori­ous.” The Ten Commandments were on the stones.

Verse 11 says, that which was passing away “was glorious.” Therefore, the Ten Commandments, which were “glorious” were passing away.



It also includes what was “written.” That includes more than just the Ten Commandments.



OBJECTION: “Only the penalty of death was done away.”

ANSWER:

Nothing on the stones says anything about the penalty of death. Nor does 2Cor. 3 say anything about abolishing the death penalty.



The Old Covenant was on the stones. The Ten Commandments were called the Old Covenant (Ex. 34:28; Deut. 4:13). The Sabbath itself is specifically spoken of as included in the covenant (Ex. 31:16). That which was passing away was “glorious.” Death was not glorious.



OBJECTION: “The agreement, not the Ten Commandments, was what was done away.”

ANSWER:

The Ten Commandments were the words of the agreement (Ex. 34:28). The agreement to keep them was done away. Christians have a new agreement in which the Sabbath was not included.



The Law, or covenant, has been “cast out” (Gal. 3:10-12, 19-25; 4:10, 11, 21-31; 5:1-4, 14, 18).
The “law” or “cove­nant” is like a “schoolmaster” that Paul says brought them to Christ. Now that we have Christ we are no longer under the schoolmaster. The covenant from Mount Sinai (4:24) is to be “cast out” (4:30). We do not come to a mountain (Sinai) that shook. (Heb. 12:18-22)



The first covenant is vanishing away (Heb. 8:6-13; 9:15-17; 7:11-12, 16, 10, 19).
The Old Covenant (8:13) or “first covenant” (8:7, 9; 9:15) from Mount Sinai (12:18-27) is vanishing away (8:13). Establishing a New Covenant, makes the first “old.”



OBJECTIONS: “The old covenant agreement was done away but God’s Sabbath law is now written on our hearts” (Heb. 8:10).

ANSWER:

It says nothing about the Sabbath or the Ten Commandments being written on our hearts. The laws of the “New Covenant” are written on our hearts.



OBJECTION: “There are two laws, one moral and the other, ceremonial. The ceremonial is done away. The moral remains.”

ANSWER:

Neither term is found in the Bible. The weekly Sabbath is no less “ceremonial” than the yearly feast days or new moons. They are all a “shadow of things to come” (Col. 2: 16, 17 Heb. 4:1-11).



Scriptural terminology makes no distinction.

· They are all called “The law” (Gal. 3:10, 23-25; 4:10, 11, 21-31; 5:14, 18)

· The teachings of Moses are called the “Law of God” (Josh. 24:26).

· They are called the “Law of the Lord” (Lk. 2:23-24, 39)

· They are called (in Hebrew) the “Law of Jehovah” (2Chron. 31:3; 1Chron. 16:40)

· They are called “commandments” (Lev. 27:34; Mk. 12:28-31. See Deut. 6:4, 5; Lev. 19:8)

· They are all “forever” (Ex. 27:21; 9:28; 30:21; Lev. 6:18; 16:29, 31 etc.)

· They were all given by Moses” (Jn. 1:17; 7:19 “kill”; Mk. 7:10; Josh. 8: 32)

· They were all written in the book by Moses.



There are many moral laws, scattered through the writings of Moses. The following are some examples. Must we obey these?

Deut. 23:19, 20. Laws concerning taking usury.

Deut. 23:15, 16; Ex. 21:2-11; Deut. 15:12-18. Laws concerning slaves.

Num. 35:9-24. Laws concerning cities of refuge for murders to escape.

Deut. 25:5-10. Levirate marriage. Taking brother’s widowed wife.

Ex. 25:2-7. Laws concerning letting the land rest.

Deut. 15:1-3. Laws concerning debts.

Lev. 18:6-18; 20:11. Marriage to near relatives

Deut. 22:1-5. Returning an animal that has strayed.

Deut. 22:5. Wearing garments of the opposite sex.

Deut. 22:9-11. Two kinds of animals, seed etc. being mingled.

Deut. 14:21. Eating a thing that dies of itself; Boiling a kid in it’s mother’s milk.



The Ten commandments, or “Decalogue” serve as a rough summary of all, including the ceremonial aspects.



When the people heard God speak they fled and begged that the rest be given through Moses.



Exodus 20:19 And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.



So, the rest of the laws were given through Moses. He stood between them and God to show them His word (Deut. 5:5). He brought the Ten Commandments on the stones to them. He recorded them in the book and prepared the second set of stones (Deut. 5: 2-5, 22-33) which he then delivered to them. Without Moses recording and delivering them we would not even know what was on the stones.



Jesus said that Moses gave them “the law.” He specified that this included the law against murder (Jn. 1:17; 7:19. See Deut. 5:22-28; Ex. 34:28-33).



The Ten Commandments are the introduction to the Law. The full understanding and elaboration upon those ten principles is contained in the rest of the writings of Moses. All that Moses gave was from Jehovah God. Moses was told how to keep the Sabbath holy. If they refused to obey what Moses said about how it was to be kept, they were disobeying God --including death for picking up sticks (Num. 15:32-36).



OBJECTION: “Rev. 12:17; 14:12; 22:14 identify Christians as those who keep the commandments of God.”

ANSWER:

As shown above, God’s “commandments” do not necessarily refer to the Ten. The yearly feasts are also commandments of God yet they have been re­moved (Col. 2:16), just as the sacrifices. The “commandments” in Revelation would be those we are under. The Sabbath was not binding in the New Testament. In 19:10 the “testimony of Jesus” is defined as “the spirit of prophecy.”

Ex. 23:15. The Feast of Unleavened Bread was “commanded” by Jehovah.

Ex. 27:20. Using pure olive oil in the lamps of the tabernacle was commanded.

Lev. 7:36-38. God commanded the sacrificial offering. (Also, Lev. 8:17-21)

Lev. 8:9-13. The garments of the priests were commanded by Jehovah

Lev. 16:34. Sacrifices on the Day of Atonement were commanded as an everlasting statute.

Num. 19:2. Sacrificing a red heifer was commanded by Jehovah as a statute of the Law.

Num. 27:11. The law of inheritance was a statute and an ordinance as Jehovah commanded.

Num. 30:1-16. The law of vows was commanded by Jehovah.

1Cor. 7:19. Circumcision was included in the “commandments of God.”

Heb. 7:5. The sons of Levi were commanded to take tithes.



On the other hand, the New Testament also included commandments of God, not only the Ten but also others.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another

1Cor. 7:10. And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:

1Cor. 14:34. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

14:7 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

1John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1John 4:21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.



OBJECTION: “The Ten Commandments were IN the Ark. The writings of Moses were BESIDE it. This indicates superiority of the Ten Commandments.”

ANSWER:

Such analogies prove nothing. When Moses finished writing the book he placed it beside the ark (Deut. 31:24-26). All of God’s laws were in the book, including the Ten Commandments. They were BOTH in the Most Holy Place, a type of heaven itself. Both were commanded by God, and both were prepared and delivered to the people by Moses.



Note that the rod of Aaron was also in the ark. Does that mean that the priesthood of Levi is still binding? (Heb. 7:12) While we are speculating, perhaps we should note that the tabernacle, the ark and tables of stones have long since disappeared. Only the book of the law written by Moses remains. Without it we would have no record of the Ten Commandments.



OBJECTION: “Nehemiah 9:13-14 makes a distinction between what was given through Moses and what was given by God.

ANSWER:

All of these things are said to have been by Moses. There is no distinction here that indicates some are temporary and others eternal.



We are freed from the Law (Rom. 7:1-4, 6, 7).
We cannot be joined to both the Old and the NEW. We must be “free from the Law” (7:2), “loosed from the law” (7:3), “dead to the law” (7:4) and “delivered from the Law” (7:6) to become part of the bride of Christ. Being joined to Christ while still under the law is spiritual adultery (6:14; 3:21, 27, 28).



OBJECTION: “This is the ceremonial law”

ANSWER:

Romans 7:8 is speaking of “the commandment” and verse 7 specifies it is the one about coveting --one of the Ten (Ex. 20:17).



OBJECTION: Rom. 7:12, 14 says the law was good.

ANSWER:

The Law was good. It was not evil, but since mankind seems to be attracted to what is prohibited (as Eve was in the garden), coveting increases. Without law there is no transgres­sion, but with law comes transgression (Rom 4:15). Without law there is no knowledge of sin, but with law comes the knowledge and accountability (Rom. 7:5). Gal. 3:23-25; 4:21-31 shows we are not under the Law.



OBJECTION: “This means that when we do what the Law says we are not under its condemnation. cf. Rom. 8:1.”

ANSWER:

The passage clearly says that marriage to a second husband while the first is living is adultery (Rom. 7:3). It says that the person must be dead to the law in order to be married to Christ. It shows that it is the authority of the law that included the ten that ceased (7:2, 3, 4, 6 -cf. 6:14-15; 3:21 etc.).



OBJECTION: “Did not Paul keep the law?” (Rom. 7:5; 8:4)

ANSWER:

Indeed, Paul kept the law. He kept not only the ten command­ments but also the ceremonial teaching (Ac. 2l:17-27). When he went in and was at charges for the men giving offerings in the temple he was keeping the requirements of Num. 6:9-12. He did this that he might save the Jews (1Cor. 9:20-22). He also kept the law concerning circumcision in the case of Timothy (Ac. 16:3), but he refused to circumcise Titus (Gal. 3:3).



Christ did not put his laws into old wineskins (Matt. 9:16-17).
Christ did not just patch up the Old Covenant. He gave us a new covenant. Nothing passed from the law and the prophets until it was ALL fulfilled (Matt. 5:17-18). Christ came to do just that. Now it is fulfilled and has passed away.



III. THE SABBATH IS SPECIFICALLY CITED AS NO LONGER BINDING.



Col. 2:14-17, 20, 21[8] says we are not judged by the Law.



It says, that the bond written in ordinances[9] that was against us, he had “taken out of the way, nailing it to the cross.” Verse 16 says, “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a feast day or a new moon or a Sabbath day: which are a shadow of things to come... “



Here we have the three-fold list of sacred observances:

1. “Feast days” (Greek. “heorte” 27 times in the NT, always of the yearly feasts. (Lk. 2:41; 22:1; Jn. 7:2; Ac. 18:21).



2. “New moons”—clearly the monthly holy days (cf. Num. 10:10)

2Chron 8:13 Even after a certain rate every day, offering according to the commandment of Moses, on the sabbaths, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts, three times in the year, even in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles.



Note that the three solemn feasts are The Feast of Unleavened Bread (Passover), the Feast of Weeks (Pentecost), and the Feast of Tabernacles. They are not called “sabbaths.” They are clearly distinguished.



3. “Sabbaths” (sabbatoon) is the weekly observances.



OBJECTION: “The word is plural, ‘Sabbaths,’ indicating the yearly Sabbaths. When speaking of the weekly Sabbath, it is never used in the plural.”

ANSWER:

a. Nowhere in the, New Testament is any form of the word “sabbath” (singular or plural) used of any yearly feast.



b. The fact that it is plural in no way indicates it is not speaking of the weekly Sabbaths. If anything, the plural would include all Sabbaths. We find the plural “Sabbath days” is used eight other times (Mat. 12:5, 10, 12; Mark 3:4; Luke 4:31; 6:2, 9; Acts 17:2) for the weekly rest in the King James version of the New Testament. Besides that, “sabbatoon” (plural) is used of the weekly rest four times in the same identical form. (Matt 28:1; Luke 4:16; Acts 13:14; 16:13)



c. In the Greek translation of the Old Testament (Septuagint) we find the plural commonly used of weekly Sabbath --even right in the Ten Commandments (Ex. 20:8; Deut. 5:12, 15. cf. Lev. 23:15, 38).



a. On the other hand, it is rare to find the yearly feast days called “Sabbaths.”

Lev. 16:31 [#7676] shabbat [#7677] shabaatown, translated, “Sabbath rest” defined by Strong as “a sabbatism or special holiday.” --Day of Atonement, 10th day of the seventh month.



Lev. 23:24 [#7677] “shabaatown,” which Strong defines as “a sabbatism or special holiday.” --Speaking of the Feast of Trumpets, first day of 7th month.



Lev. 23:32 [#7676] shabbath [#7677] shabbathown, translated, “Sabbath rest,” defined as “a sabbatism or special holiday.” --Day of Atonement, 10th day of 7th month.



Lev. 23:39 [#7677] shabbathown “a sabbatism or special holiday.”

This was on the fifteenth day of the 7th month, 8 days later (one week, which again falls on the Sabbath)



Note that #7677, which we find in Exodus 8 for the weekly Sabbath is only used in Lev. 16:31 and 23:32. In both those cases it is accompanied with the explanatory word #7677, indicating it was a rest like the Sabbath.



This is distinctively designated as, “sabbata sabba­ton,” unlike Col. 2:16, which only uses the word, “sabbaton.” Nowhere else is any form of this word used with reference to the yearly feasts. Interestingly, even in this chapter we find the yearly observances 8 times called “feasts” (Lev. 34:2, 4, 6, 34, 37, 39, 41, 44). This was the common way of designating the yearly feasts throughout both the Old and New Testaments.



In addition to these cases where yearly feast days are called Sabbaths, we find that every seventh year is also called a “Sabbath,” for the land to rest (Lev. 25:2, 4; 26:34-35; 2Chron. 36:21)



The three-fold grouping of yearly, monthly and weekly observances appears several times in the Bible though some of these are in a different order (1Chron. 23:31; 2Chron. 2:4; 8:13; 31:3; Neh.10:33).



Ezek. 45:17 and Hos. 2:11 have the same order as Col. 2. Note the following compar­ison:



Ezek. 45:17 (Septuagint)

In
the
feasts
and
at
the
new moons
and
on
the
Sabbaths

En
tais
heortais
kai
en
tais
noumeniais
kai
en
tois
sabbatois




Col. 2:16

In
respect
of a feast
or the
new moon
or of the
Sabbaths

En
merei
heortees
hee
neomeenias
hee
sabbatoon




In Gal. 4:10, speaking of their return to the Law (3:10, 12, 23-25; 4:4, 5, 21-30), he uses this order, “Ye observe days, and months, and seasons, and years...”



OBJECTION: “The Sabbath was not a ‘hand-written ordinance’.”

ANSWER:

God wrote on the stones with His hand. (Ex. 31:18; 32:16; 34:1; Deut. 10:1-4; 9:10; 4:13; 5:22; 2Kings 17:37).

Moses wrote it in the book with his hand (Ex. 34:21-28; 24:4. cf. Ex. 20).

The Greek word for “ordinance” is “dogma” and means “decree.” (cf. Ac. 16:4; 15:28, 29). Note: “fornica­tion” is one of the Ten.)



OBJECTION: “Stones could not be ‘nailed’.”

ANSWER:

-Nor was the book “nailed.” Christ was nailed and in so doing he sym­bolically carried the old covenant to the cross with him (Heb. 9:15-17), both were “written and engraven” (2Cor. 3:3, 7).



OBJECTION: “The Sabbath was FOR man, not against him.”

ANSWER:

All of the law was intended for man’s good

Lev. 16:30; 23:28. The Atonement was “for” them.

Lev. 23:11. The wave sheaf sacrifice was “for” them.

Num. 35:11. The cities of refuge were “for” them.



However, through human weakness, the commandment which was unto life, was found to be unto death (Rom. 7:I0; Gal. 3:10-13, 22, 23; 4:3, 5, 25; 5:3; Heb. 7:18, 19; 8:7, 8; 2Co. 3:7). Thus, the old localized concept of Sabbath was replaced by the universal concept of commemorating the resurrection of Christ.



OBJECTION: “The Sabbath was a memorial, looking backwards to creation, not a shadow of things to come.”

ANSWER:

The Passover looked back to the deliverance from Egypt and also forward to deliverance through the blood of Christ.” Likewise, the Sabbath looks backwards to both Egypt and creation. (Ex. 20:11; Deut. 5:15), and forward to our entrance into God’s rest (Heb. 4:1-11). The Jews kept the Sabbath yet they never entered that rest. We are told to labor to enter into it.
Do you honestly think anyone is going to read all of that?
 

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The Barrd said:
Do you honestly think anyone is going to read all of that?

No, not the ones who don't care to learn. Others will and they will understand the truth of the Sabbath.
 

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First of all, the New Covenant, like the Old Covenant, was promised to Israel:

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

This Covenant would be different:

Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

BUT....and this is important....it would still include God's law. The change had to do with how He would administer His law:

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

AND...also very important...God says that He will have an intimate relationship with His people, and that His New Covenant would include grace for forgiveness:

Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
 

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ewq1938 said:
No, not the ones who don't care to learn. Others will and they will understand the truth of the Sabbath.
For those who care to learn, there is the Bible.
If you think you have some outside source with new information that God somehow forgot to include in the Bible, you could give us a reference, rather than trying to monopolize the thread with novel-length posts.

Really, I am interested in what you have to say....but that post is just ridiculous.
 

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For those who care to learn, there is the Bible.
If you think you have some outside source with new information that God somehow forgot to include in the Bible, you could give us a reference, rather than trying to monopolize the thread with novel-length posts.

Really, I am interested in what you have to say....but that post is just ridiculous.

Laziness is better than learning apparently. It's fine, go ahead and observe your personal creation of the sabbath....it doesn't matter what Christ actually thinks about it. Ignore what the NT teaches about the Sabbath also.
 

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For those who care to learn, there is the Bible.
If you think you have some outside source with new information that God somehow forgot to include in the Bible, you could give us a reference, rather than trying to monopolize the thread with novel-length posts.
I can give you three, who are the truth and who agree with one another, and who know more than what you could fit into a million bibles.
Can you guess.

God ,

Jesus,

Holy spirit...

Seem to get left out a lot they do.

In all His Love
 

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Remember always salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and commandments and NOT the sungod/satan and his doctrines and days of sunday, dec 25th and easter, all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin!
 

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ewq1938 said:
We already know that. The important part is the two examples he used of people BREAKING THE LAW without guilt. He was saying he was breaking the law without guilt as well.
You do realize that Jesus is the Creator, yes?

Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

In other words, Jesus is actually the God Who wrote the Law on the Tables of Stone. It is His law. He was not telling us about people breaking the law without guilt, such a notion is ludicrous. He was explaining how what the people in question were not breaking the law.

Mat 12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
Mat 12:2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
Mat 12:4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
Mat 12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
Mat 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Again, I say....this was NOT a defense.
This is a bold statement of Lordship.

I know but you are wrong to think that "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath" means the Sabbath was super easy and fun....it wasn't! You has no light or heat and couldn't eat warm food. You couldn't travel or work or gather anything. It was a long cold day, preceded by a day where you essentially had double the work.
Here is the commandment, in it's entirety:

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

That's it. That's the whole thing.
I don't understand why you keep trying to drag people back under the Law of Moses.

Of course it is. He is above the law! So the Jews said, "Hey how do you justify breaking the Sabbath laws??" And Jesus answers" I am above that law since I am Lord of the Sabbath."
The one thing Jesus could never have been, was "above the law". The whole point was that He was without sin. If He had broken the law, He would be a sinner.

You do know that the Biblical definition of sin is transgression of the law? It's not talking about getting a ticket for speeding....the law here would be the Law of God...i.e. The Ten Commandments.


Better to keep the one that is in place, not an invented one you think harkens back to a different time, different religion and different covenant.
You do know that the New Covenant, like the Old one, does include God's law, right? The difference is that the Holy Spirit writes them in our hearts.
I'm not sure where you are getting this "different religion" from. Or didn't you know that Christianity is rooted in Judaism?

I will never understand how people don't get that...
 

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Or didn't you know that Christianity is rooted in Judaism?
No its rooted in Christ thats why its called Christianity not Judaism.

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Do you honestly not know that the root that bears you is Judaism?
C'mon...most of you know Paul's letters better than you know the words of Christ, Himself.
You don't remember this passage?

Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
 

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I think that it is important to remember the purpose of the Sabbath. The reason the Sabbath exists is because we need constant redirection back to God. With this definition in mind, it is clear that Christ did not break a moral law. Since He was constantly connected to God, redirection was not needed for Him. And even if it was, healing the man would result in becoming closer to God.