Jesus as co-Creator

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Brother Ryan! I Think I've Found My Twin!The Logos, En Morphe, And Arche Are One Of The Main Things A Brother Name William Branham Preached On! But Anyways, You See It Now! The Word Of God Manifested! Oh Lord, I Found My Twin Lol!
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Morning_Joy

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hey
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I will admit that the subject on the trinity is very confusing for me. Right now, I'm very confused about it
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But...we know that there is one God, one Lord, and He loves us very much. For now, I just leave the trinity subject at a "I don't know" and I trust in God that He will help me out.
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Mighty Bear

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hey
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I will admit that the subject on the trinity is very confusing for me. Right now, I'm very confused about it
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But...we know that there is one God, one Lord, and He loves us very much. For now, I just leave the trinity subject at a "I don't know" and I trust in God that He will help me out.
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The Father and the Son are spirits and the Holy Spirit is not really a spirit for He has a bodyand that is you."And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper,to be with you forever," John 14:16 (ESV)"Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you,whom you have from God? You are not your own," 1 Corinthians 6:19 (ESV)"I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know thatyou sent me and loved them even as you loved me."John 17:23 (ESV)
 

Morning_Joy

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I still don't understand
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could you explain more of that to me?and I thought the Son is now a man too? Because He became flesh
 

Faithful

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I still don't understand
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could you explain more of that to me?and I thought the Son is now a man too? Because He became flesh
Luke 1:35 (King James Version) 35.And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.We see that the Holy Ghost and the power of the highest overshadowed Mary and God wanted what is referred to as 'that Holy Thing' which shall be born of Mary shall be called the Son of God.17:3 (King James Version)3.And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.1 John 5:7 (King James Version)7.For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.John 1:14 (King James Version) 14.And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.What is clear from the teachings is that the Word Jesus Christ, God the Father and the Holy Spirit all co-existed at the beginning before the creation.What is clear is that the Father wanted Jesus to be called the Son of God.I would say learn about all three but do not take away from any of the three persons their holiness. We see a man may not commit blasphemy against Gods Holy Spirit. He is very important because anyone not born of the Spirit does not belong to God or Jesus Christ.Seek your answers in prayer and the study of the word.Faithful.
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So, was Jesus called the Son of God by the Father before the creation of the world, and or was He called the Word? I'm very confused by the Trinity
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Mornig Joy I find one of the easiest ways to explain this is by thinking of our own selfs we are made in his image So consider we are also 3 in one we are Body mind and soul/spriteach part of us can work together or seprate our body needs food to survive but ourmind and soul do not our body says its hungry our mind says we should eat our soul/spirit has nothing to do with this it is the part of us that is connected to Godand tells us we should thank God for the food the mind tells the body to eatGod is simular he has the all knowing Mind, he came to us in a flesh body, and we can connect through his spirit the differnce is we and our 3 parts are trapped in a flesh vessel right now and he is not so he can separate these different partsBecause he can seprate he sent a body in the flesh(son), but was still fully Mind(father) and Spirit(holy ghost)HOLY (Father), HOLY (Son), HOLY (Spirit) is our ONE GODWe can never understand the mind of God but we can connect to the spirit of God
 

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Some people describe this as roles of God anothers words You are youself but you can also bea friend to your friends andyou are a Son to your parents but you are still yourself the same personbut when you are in differnt situations you act differntly (perform different roles)
 

Morning_Joy

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that makes sense to me a lot too but which side is it according to Scripture? Does God have different roles or does He exist as three persons?
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I mean, like, whenever I lean toward each side, I always say "but wait...". It's like tennis. I'm the ball and I go to each side continuously :eek:
 

Jordan

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that makes sense to me a lot too but which side is it according to Scripture? Does God have different roles or does He exist as three persons?
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I mean, like, whenever I lean toward each side, I always say "but wait...". It's like tennis. I'm the ball and I go to each side continuously :eek:
God are three in one, but I really don't believe that God is three people.Does the Father disagree with the Son? NO! Does the Son disagree with the Father? NO! Does the Holy Ghost disagree with both of them? NO!It's like this, I am a son, and I am an uncle, and I am thesuperjag. Are they three different people or are they the same person referring to me?JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
 

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helloI am an uncle and a father and a son, this does not make me three separate persons. Me the Father does not send me the son out. I do not call my self up on the phone. I do not say to myself John your will be done not my will.Jesus prayed to the Father, if they were the same person, would this make senseJesus said, not my will but yours be done, if they were the same person, would this make senseJohn 8:16But if I do judge, my decisions are right, because I am not alone. I stand with the Father, who sent me. In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two men is valid. I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father,Look at this verseJesus said he is not aloneThen he said he stands with the FatherWho sent himThe testimony of two men is valid. He said he is one the other is the Father Two not one. Jesus is not the Father, Jesus is God the sonIt is also interesting to note that the name of God is not used in the new testament (YHWH) I believe it is because this is the name of our triune GodYHWH the Father< YHWH the Son, and YHWH the Holy Spirit. In other words YHWH = trinityIn the new testament God has been reveled as our Father The Son and Holy Spirit
 

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Another thing, every single soul speaking on this forum (or anywhere) is able to disagree as none of us can be God. God is the only one Living that can not disagree with Himself. It's more like God doing three different roles, not three different people. Well Yahshua was called The mighty God, everlasting Father in Isaiah 9:6, as Yahshua is only part of Himself, while the Father and the Holy Ghost are part of Himself as well. God can never disagree with Himself. But we can disagree with ourself, cause we get doubt. God can't.Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.Who was born? Yahshua / Jesus ChristJohn 14:8-9 - Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?John 10:38 - But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
 

Morning_Joy

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oh okayI think I see what you both are sayingI just don't understand
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The Bible mentions Jesus and the Father being like 100% close in characteristics, attributes, and even names. For example, the Bible calls God the Savior and it also calls Jesus the Savior. But there can't be two Saviors, the Bible says there is only One. My question is...since the Father and the Son are 100% the same, why do they have to be separate people (if you believe that)? I'm just curious In the new testament, when the authors say something like "God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ", what do you think they mean?So, since the topic of this post is "Jesus as co-Creator", do you guys agree? Does Jesus and the Father share the same "Creatorship", or is there only one person in God? If you ask me, I don't think there is a "co-Creator". In Genesis, it shows that there is only one Creator. And, if anybody knows, or would like to find out, which Greek word for "one" is used when Jesus said "I and My Father are one."I appreciate everybody being patient with me on this subject. I just think it's really, really hard sometimes. And by the way, I'm not trying to sound skeptical on this subject.
 

Jordan

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oh okayI think I see what you both are sayingI just don't understand
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The Bible mentions Jesus and the Father being like 100% close in characteristics, attributes, and even names. For example, the Bible calls God the Savior and it also calls Jesus the Savior. But there can't be two Saviors, the Bible says there is only One. My question is...since the Father and the Son are 100% the same, why do they have to be separate people (if you believe that)? I'm just curious In the new testament, when the authors say something like "God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ", what do you think they mean?So, since the topic of this post is "Jesus as co-Creator", do you guys agree? Does Jesus and the Father share the same "Creatorship", or is there only one person in God? If you ask me, I don't think there is a "co-Creator". In Genesis, it shows that there is only one Creator. And, if anybody knows, or would like to find out, which Greek word for "one" is used when Jesus said "I and My Father are one."I appreciate everybody being patient with me on this subject. I just think it's really, really hard sometimes. And by the way, I'm not trying to sound skeptical on this subject.
In yellow words, it is like this, Jag, the uncle of his nephew Jordan which is still referring to me. The Bible says there is only one God. And only a sinless person (Yahshua / Jesus Christ) can be God. So it's downright awful to me to say that Yahshua/ Jesus Christ) is co-creator, since He is God. How can God be co-creator of Himself since He can't disagree with Himself.What's interesting is that LORD is Yahweh, and Yahshua is also called Lord. Are there two Lords? Nay, God forbid. There is only one Saviour. The Father and the Son is the same.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
 

Morning_Joy

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that sounds good to me brotherSo, is it like this...throughout the Bible, I noticed that God gave some people new names...like Jacob=Israel..because the new name means a new status in a relationship with God.But when Jacob wasn't really being "Israel", God would call him "Jacob". So, do you believe that God calls Himself Father, Son, and Holy Spirit depending on what He is doing in the Bible? What does each of these names mean (Father, Son, Holy Spirit)? For example, does God call Himself "Son", like in "Son of man", to show His humbleness on earth when he was Jesus?
 

Morning_Joy

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this just really confuses me
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I feel like I'm on a confusing path right nowIs God our Father or is He a "brother", when Jesus said that anybody who loves Him is His brother/sister/mother?