Confused Rant... Science, Logic, God, etc.

I'll help you if you can tell me exactly what your question is.

It's fine if it doesn't conflict with the word of God. For example evolution conflicts with Genesis and all of creation. GENESIS IS LITERAL. I don't believe in a gap theory, but some members do. I don't like to venture too far from what's taught in the Bible.For the most part I believe in "Protons, electrons, photons... atoms, elements, molecules... stars, black holes, wormholes, quasars." I'm hoping to be a pharmacist so I'm taking Chemistry and Astronomy (for fun). Just remember, that science was wrong in the past, so it can be wrong in the future. Take God's word over the wisdom of men. For God's wisdom is much more important and true.

Hi roberth,
I know I can't be alone in the times we're in where we think we have just about everything figured out. Is there anyone out there that can help guide inquisitive minds to the right path?
Well, one thing for sure, you are never alone. You have been bought with a price.1 Corinthians 6: 19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.You got the promise by believing in the Gospel of Jesus Christ.Ephesians 1:12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. 15Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,Matthew 28: 18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.So He is with you always.As far as the search goes, trust Him to be Your Good Shepherd. Here is a promise from God.Matthew 7: 7Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.As far as evidence, the Lord can lead you to find them, but do remember this:John 20: 28And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God. 29Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. 30And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:So what other signs or evidence are there besides the empty tomb?Luke 23: 44And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour. 45And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst. 46And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost. 47Now when the centurion saw what was done, he glorified God, saying, Certainly this was a righteous man. 48And all the people that came together to that sight, beholding the things which were done, smote their breasts, and returned. 49And all his acquaintance, and the women that followed him from Galilee, stood afar off, beholding these things.Behold the evidence of an eclipse in history that should not have been.http://www.christian-thinktank.com/jrthal.htmlThere is more....http://www.geocities.com/metacrock2000/Jes.../HistJesus5.htmThere is an online book that has collected evidence of the Flood as well as evidence uncovered in science regarding the Creator. http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/There is no harm in looking for the truth, but at some point, you are just going to have to believe.Hebrews 11:1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen....6But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Galatians 3: 14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.Anyway, hopes the links helps you on your search as you lean on the Lord to show you the answers you seek. Remember though... blessed are those that have not seen Him, and yet believe.

i think your view is good, they do not know what caused the big bang and people can debate about the existance of God but it's individual experiance that usually leads to a person making their mind up about those sorts of things. I dont think its right when they deny God via science it is unnecessary and there is no proof, which from a scientific point of view evidence is vital.i hope you do not feel confused long.

I do not understand why people think if they believe in God you can not believe in science GOD is not the author of confusion everything has laws there is a complete Perfect set of Laws for nature, it has nothing to to do with being saved or the laws that apply to his children it operates on its own separate from us.Learning about these laws of Nature and how they work are not what the Bible is about. There are hints to certain things like the age of the Earth ect. But the Bible is about us and our relation ship with God. Learning the mysteries of Gods laws of nature is not against God. In fact God uses his laws of Nature to correct us or Warn us in the form of earthquakesect. Im sure he used these laws of nature to part the Red sea yet people say that's not of God that's mother nature Well who do they think created Nature? And it Laws in fact I would go so far as to say Mother Nature is Gods weapon of choice.He uses it to bless his children with rain for the harvest or To correct/control his children with droughts ect.Just because Man has begun to be smart enough to figure out Gods Laws of Nature and his Laws for the Universe does not mean they have to choose one or the other. They are all seperate perfect things in themselves with their own set of Laws.

(kriss;25880)
I do not understand why people think if they believe in God you can not believe in science GOD is not the author of confusion everything has laws there is a complete Perfect set of Laws for nature, it has nothing to to do with being saved or the laws that apply to his children it operates on its own separate from us.Learning about these laws of Nature and how they work are not what the Bible is about. There are hints to certain things like the age of the Earth ect. But the Bible is about us and our relation ship with God. Learning the mysteries of Gods laws of nature is not against God. In fact God uses his laws of Nature to correct us or Warn us in the form of earthquakesect. Im sure he used these laws of nature to part the Red sea yet people say that's not of God that's mother nature Well who do they think created Nature? And it Laws in fact I would go so far as to say Mother Nature is Gods weapon of choice.He uses it to bless his children with rain for the harvest or To correct/control his children with droughts ect.Just because Man has begun to be smart enough to figure out Gods Laws of Nature and his Laws for the Universe does not mean they have to choose one or the other. They are all seperate perfect things in themselves with their own set of Laws.
heheh, Ahmen.

I am feeling happy for you roberth. You have accepted the existance of a creator and then more importantly said that with the knowledge that God is real that you can believ in Jesus as well.I have found that knowledge that God is real won't fully come until God reveals himself to you. By me he has done it with mini miracles, answered prayers, and even speaking to me, I mean I heard his voice.There will come a time that when you get deeper in your faith that you just know he is real. You don't know how he came to be, you don't really know who he is, except the fact that he is God. and with that knowledge you learn who God is by his word. The bible. Through it you learn how to achieve salvation how to live life, and the nature of God. Who is an interesting character but in all reality is love. So give christianity a shot, The knowledge of God will come to you. Your brotherRyan Fitz

Roberth, if you haven't, you might want to read Francis Collins "The Language of God". He is a scientist with outstanding credentials (head of the Human Genome project at the National Institute of Health), former atheist, now Christian. It's a wonderful book of science and faith. He explains how he has been able to reconcile the two.

(roberth;25844)
I have considered myself a Christian my entire life, despite attending church merely a handful of times in all of my years. Although my parents both we raised in Christian households, I was not fortunate enough to have any real exposure to Christian teachings, the reason for which I do not really know... maybe my parents had conflicting beliefs, little faith, or maybe they were as confused as I am now... I place no blame, but that is my backgound, I had to "figure it out on my own."I was left to find out what I believed in on my own which, after being exposed to public schools for 12 years and nothing more, is mainly based on scientific fact from textbooks. Protons, electrons, photons... atoms, elements, molecules... stars, black holes, wormholes, quasars... so on and so on. I have a thirst for knowledge and have always had an ample supply of information from books, the internet, you name it. Using logic and reason I've connected the dots for years and have found out just how to "figure it out on my own." But unfortunately that leaves me with even more confusion and unease.It is logical to me that the universe has a Creator. Even IF there was a big bang that created our universe, who put the mass there to "bang"? Even IF humans did evolve from single-cell organisms, who created life, even in those simplest of forms? But then I try to extend that logic to the existence of God... How is He there if I can't see him? What is He made of? I can't explain that, I can't find cold hard facts. But... I continue to uphold my faith in God as the Creator of the universe, and I also uphold my belief in Jesus as the son of God and as our saviour. These are fundamental beliefs I have, but I am still confused. I'm presented with a struggle between science/logic and my faith... One moment I search books for evidence of the existence of God, the next I speak to Him in prayer seeking guidance. That struggle in itself underminds the strength of my faith, which is exactly what I'm ranting about.I know I can't be alone in the times we're in where we think we have just about everything figured out. Is there anyone out there that can help guide inquisitive minds to the right path?
Just a thought. I know you're not alone, because I've been in much the same position.Might I suggest to you, however, to try to understand what the philosophy of the construct is? Meaning, if you can't see God clearly as you would like, and if he does exist as omnipotent, then WHY did he design the world in such a way that your method of inquiry seems not to be leading you directly and clearly towards him?I have my own thoughts, but I will let you go with that.oh, and if you are wondering about the material of the divine.. I would suggest to you that many things are real, and immaterial altogether. For example Logic. Logic is immaterial and transcendental, and very much real. The material world doesn't create or sustain logic, logic governs the material world. If you are interested, look up the ancient debate between Christian and Atheist; Bahnsen and Stein Debate.See if you can keep up, and if you can, you may well be on your way to understanding "immaterial reality" a bit better.As far as your search goes, please never let go of logic, critical thinking, and open minded inquiry. Those led me, for the most part, to where I am today {Christianity}.Cheers.

The only "Big Bang' was when God said, "Let there be light", and BANG! there was light.

(Jon-Marc;26131)
The only "Big Bang' was when God said, "Let there be light", and BANG! there was light.
How do you know it made a sound?

(Jon-Marc;26131)
The only "Big Bang' was when God said, "Let there be light", and BANG! there was light.
Consider this view of the Big Bang:The existence of the Big Bang begs the question of what came before that, and who or what was responsible. It certainly demonstrates the limits of science as no other phenomenon has done. The consequences of the Big Bang theory for theology are profound. For faith traditions that describe the universe as having been created by God from nothingness (ex-nihilo), there is an electrifying outcome. Does such an astonishing event as the Big Bang fit the definition of a miracle?The sense of awe created by these realizations has caused more than a few agnostic scientists to sound downright theological. In ‘God and the Astronomers’, the astrophysicist Robert Jastrow wrote this final paragraph: “At this moment it seems as though science will never be able to raise the curtain on the mystery of creation. For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reasons, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.”For those looking to bring the theologians and the scientists closer together, there is much in these recent discoveries of the origin of the universe to inspire mutual appreciation. Elsewhere in his provocative, Jastrow writes: “Now we see how the astronomical evidence leads to a biblical view of the origin of the world. The details differ, but the essential elements and the astronomical and biblical accounts of Genesis are the same: the chain of events leading to man commenced suddenly and sharply at a definite moment in time, in a flash of light and energy.”I have to agree. The Big Bang cries out for a divine explanation. It forces the conclusion that nature had a defined beginning. I cannot see how nature could have created itself. Only a supernatural force that is outside of space and time could have done that.Francis Collins -- The Language of God