Why do people believe in a rapture?

StanJ said:

Your opinion is well documented keras, however you have NOT supported it with RELEVANT and PROPERLY exegeted scripture. Your condescending attitude only makes you less credible, and less desirable to debate with.

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Because you and the others don't like being corrected with the real truth of scripture, you object to my posts. I post with confidence and the sure knowledge of the truth of the Prophetic Word. If that sounds condescending, I'm not sorry, just sad that people feel that way when confronted with unpalatable truths.

One problem we have is the different Bible translations. Marcus' quote of Isaiah 29:9, that I can't find the source, seems to apply to the ancient prophets.
In fact, all of Isaiah 29 applies to our times, as verse 9 says: If you confuse yourself, you will stay confused, if you blind yourself, you will stay blinded. REB.

ATP said:

The return of Jesus is one parousia inside many events. It's not one parousia inside one parousia event. That is false. The first event is rapture....1 Thess 4:15 NIV According to the Lord's word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming (parousia) of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.

Matt 24:31 occurs BEFORE the Day of the Lord in the middle of the last 3.5 years. There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars BEFORE the Day of the Lord occurs Joel 2:30-31 NIV, Matt 24:29-31 NIV. You are putting the Day of the Lord at the end of the 70th week, and that is false. The Day of the Lord is God's wrath of trumpets and bowls, and the fifth trumpet lasts five months alone Rev 9:5. After the 70th week is over there is only 75 days left until the 1,000 year reign starts Dan 12:11-12. That is not enough time for God's wrath to be fulfilled keras. 75 days is not five months!

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Its the rapture that's false. 1 Thess 4 does NOT say anything about a rapture removal to heaven.

Obviously you don't really read what I post; there are two Days of the Lord. The first is the Day of vengeance and wrath, when He comes in fire and judges/ punishes the nations. The second is His Return in glory, called the great Day of the Lord Almighty. Rev 16:14
He is not seen in the first event; Psalm 18:11, Hab 3:4, Amos 9:5-6. All the world will see Him at His Return. Acts 1:11

The terrible Day of the Lord's wrath happens at the Sixth Seal, about 20 years before the great Day of His Return.

ATP said:

Rev 19:1 NIV.


Two days? No, that's wrong.
The correct way to phrase His coming is "one parousia inside multiple events".
It's not "first day, second day", that is incorrect phrasing.
Rather, these are "events" inside the one big parousia.

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Rev 19:1 does say there will be people in heaven. But as we know heaven is a spiritual place and can be anywhere, including on earth, as Ezekiel saw.
As verse 9 goes on to say these are the people who were invited to the wedding feast of the Lamb, which as Paul says in 1 Thess 4:17 are people who will rise up to meet Jesus as He comes to earth. Those people don't 'go to live in heaven' as such.

Two Days of the Lord. The 3 scriptures that describe Jesus' Return; Zechariah 14:3-7, Matthew 24:30, Rev 19:11, say that Day will be glorious and amazing. Not a: Day of wrath, a Day of anguish and torment, a Day of destruction and devastation, a Day of black darkness, a Day of dense cloud, a Day of trumpet blasts and battle cries against military forces. The Lord will bring dire distress onto the world, because of their sins. Their blood will pour out like water, nothing will save them on the terrible Day of His wrath, by the fire of His anger....the whole Land will be consumed and all who live there will die. Zechariah 1:15-18
They are two different Days, years apart. Mixing them up simply doesn't fit with what the prophets tell us and just makes for confusion.

ATP said:

Yes it does. It's quite clear. The great multitude in Rev 7 & 19 are both crying out "salvation belongs to the Lord". It is that obvious.

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But you cannot make them out to be the same group of people, as the ones in Rev 7 are before the Great Trib and on earth, Rev 19:1 are in heaven for the marriage supper and are gathered as per Matthew 24:31 to be with Jesus during His Millennium reign.

What is obvious, is that only as the Sixth Seal Day of wrath happens and you are still stuck on earth, only then will the error of a rapture become plain to you and all who have been fooled by this false teaching. Isaiah 29:24

[SIZE=11pt]Most people will understand God's plans only after the Lord's Day of wrath:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]Before the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath;[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]Revelation 3:3[/SIZE] If you don’t wake up, I will come upon you like a thief and you won’t know the moment of My coming.
[SIZE=11pt]Deuteronomy 29:4 [/SIZE]But to this day, the Lord has not given you a mind to understand, or eyes to see, or ears to hear.
[SIZE=11pt]Isaiah 56:10 [/SIZE]All Israel’s watchmen are blind, perceiving nothing, they are like dumb dogs that cannot bark.
[SIZE=11pt]Jeremiah 6:10[/SIZE] To whom shall I speak? To whom give warning, who will hear me? The peoples ears are blocked, they are incapable of listening, they treat the Lord’s Word as a reproach.
[SIZE=11pt]Psalm 74:9 [/SIZE]We cannot see any sign, we have no prophets now.
[SIZE=11pt]Isaiah 29:10-14 [/SIZE]For you the whole vision is nothing but words in a sealed book.
[SIZE=11pt]Isaiah 6:9b-10[/SIZE] However hard you look and listen, you will never perceive.
[SIZE=11pt]Isaiah 48:8 [/SIZE]You don’t understand, because your ears were stopped long ago.
[SIZE=11pt]Psalm 94:5 [/SIZE]Understand, O dullest of people; when will you be wise?
[SIZE=11pt]Deuteronomy 32:28-29 [/SIZE]My people are a nation devoid of understanding. If only they had the wisdom to discern what their end will be!
[SIZE=11pt]Daniel 12:9-10 [/SIZE]None of the wicked will understand, only the wise leaders of My people.
[SIZE=11pt]Amos 8:11-13 [/SIZE]People will search for the truth, but will not find it.
[SIZE=11pt]Isaiah 48:6 [/SIZE]You have heard what I have said, consider it well, it is the truth. From now on I show you new things, hidden things, that you did not know before.
[SIZE=11pt]Matthew 11:25[/SIZE] Father, You have hidden Your secrets from the learned and revealed them to the simple.[the uneducated]
[SIZE=11pt]2 Peter 1:19 [/SIZE]Study the messages of the prophets, they shine like a lamp in a dark place and when the Day breaks, they will illuminate your mind.
[SIZE=11pt]Psalm 119:17-18[/SIZE] Grant this to me, Your servant, let me live so that I may keep Your Word. Take the veil from my eyes, that I may see the wonders of Your Word.
[SIZE=11pt]Jeremiah 23:20..[/SIZE]in days to come, you will understand.
[SIZE=11pt]Daniel 2:21 [/SIZE]God is all powerful, He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning.
[SIZE=11pt]Psalm 119:169 [/SIZE]May my cry come before You, give me understanding according to Your Word.
[SIZE=11pt]Hosea 14:9 [/SIZE]Let the wise consider these things, let the discerning understand them.

[SIZE=11pt]After the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]Isaiah 43:8 [/SIZE]Bring forth this people, a people whose eyes are blind, whose ears are deaf.
[SIZE=11pt]Isaiah 35:4-5 [/SIZE]Be strong, fear not; the Lord comes to save you, with His vengeance and retribution. THEN the eyes of the blind will be opened and the ears of the deaf unstopped.
[SIZE=11pt]Isaiah 42:18-20 [/SIZE]You that are deaf; hear now, you that are blind; look and see! Who is so deaf and blind as My servant, the messenger that I send, the one who has My trust?
[SIZE=11pt]Isaiah 29:18 [/SIZE]On that Day, the deaf will hear and the blind will see.
[SIZE=11pt]Isaiah 29:24 [/SIZE]Then the confused will gain understanding and the obstinate will take instruction.
[SIZE=11pt]Isaiah 32:3-4 [/SIZE]Then those who see and hear will understand clearly, the impetuous mind will know and the stammering tongue will speak fluently and plainly.

[SIZE=11pt]As the Lord’s people go to live in all of the Holy Land:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]Isaiah 41:17-20 [/SIZE]The poor and needy [His people] look for water and find none, but I, the Lord, shall provide for their wants, I shall open springs of water and grow crop and trees. So all may see and understand that it is the Lord who does these things.
[SIZE=11pt]Jeremiah 3:15 [/SIZE]In the Land, I shall give you leaders with knowledge and understanding.
[SIZE=11pt] Ref: REB. Some verses abridged.[/SIZE]
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KingJ, I assume your name means you are a King James Version only believer? All very well, but be aware that the KJV has many church doctrines of that day inserted and King James himself made sure his prerogatives were upheld. That Bible is dedicated to him. Newer versions may also have doctrines and bias too, but they have the advantage of using older manuscripts and modern scholarship.

Your comment about a meteor and plagues, etc, apply for the period of the Great Tribulation and to those who have taken the mark of the beast. The true righteous people of God won't experience this punishments, as they will be in a place of safety on earth. Rev. 12
The next prophesied event, the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster, is the one that I point out we need to be prepared for. When it comes, we must stand firm in our faith and call out to His Name for protection.

KingJ said:

No lol. There is only one King and it is not James.

I wanted your thoughts more so on the verse I quoted please. It is clear that all left / those surving these plagues do not want to repent. It makes no mention of us.

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Revelation 9:20-21 applies to all who refuse to acknowledge God and Jesus. They will be those who have taken the mark of the beast.
But as we see in Rev 7:9 and from the many prophesies in the Bible, Ezekiel 20:34-38 for example, the Lord's righteous people will be gathered into all of the Holy Land and they will not join the One World Govt, ruled by the Anti-Christ. They will be the new nation of Beulah; Isaiah 62:1-5.
The AC will come to Beulah and make a 7 year peace treaty with them. This marks the commencement of the last 7 years before the Return of Jesus. At the mid point the AC will conquer Beulah and sit in the Temple. Half of the citizens of Beulah will go into exile and half will remain, Zechariah 14:1-2. The ones who go are referred to as the 'woman' in Rev 12. They refused this treaty and are kept safe until the Return, when they are gathered back to the Holy Land, Matthew 24:31. The other half must face the Great Tribulation and are refined, Revelation 13:7-8, but those whose names HAVE been written into the Book of Life will be the remnant who will greet the Returning Jesus with the shout: Blessed is He that comes in the Name of the Lord!

[SIZE=medium]Satan’s Playground;“ Modern Day Religion”[/SIZE][SIZE=medium][/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]One of the main reasons that modern day Christians are not eagerly preparing for God’s great harvest is a belief that the theory called ‘the rapture’ is God[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]’[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]s cure all in man’s existence. This unscriptural belief of a removal of living people to heaven, promotes the understanding that by maintaining some type of Christian appearance for security sake, the rapture will remove them from the Day of judgment or tribulation on the earth. This thought gives believers the idea there is nothing more to anticipate as coming from God but the future rapture of the church. This mind-set establishes for most the belief that if they can just hold on to some kind of Christian appearance until the rapture comes they will make heaven their home. This type of belief places believers into a state of idleness and complacency that causes them to miss some of God’s greater and better blessings. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]God has many blessings for the disciple who press on to know the Lord’s greater blessings available in this present age and the age to come. Mark 10:29-30

Is not the church the field where Christ is planted as a seed and His people are the wheat? So, it is within the church that Satan has also planted the tares, the seed of modern day carnal religion, where both have been growing together until this time of harvest. Satan’s playground now reveals the carnal corruption that has poisoned the church’s with deception and death. However, notice that the harvest time has the tares receiving judgment and a removal from the church. Matthew 13:39-43, Matthew 3:12, Revelation 14:17-20[/SIZE]

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   The wheat and tares stay together until maturity.
   
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   Maturity first reveals the corruption and then the removal of the wicked.
   
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   With the removal of the wicked fruit, the righteous fruit shall shine
   forth as the sun, a Church without spot or blemish.
   
   [SIZE=medium]Now consider Israel, they were God’s chosen people to be a nation wherein He might dwell among them manifesting His goodness. However, note that while they had received from God all they needed to become His righteous people through obedience to His covenant laws, it became increasingly evident that through their shortcomings and disobedience they became more like the nations living around them. God’s purpose was for them to be a separated people unto Him and all His ways. Meanwhile, among all their rebellion, God still showed His love by bringing forth the prophets of truth, but the populace rejected them also. This rebelliousness consistently found an influence among their Kings to lead the people astray. Nevertheless, even among this rebellion and their captivity in Babylon, God was willing and prepared to redeem and restore them to His promises. This types the church of today as it also, for the most part, has allowed Satan’s carnality to live among them to resist God. Therefore, we also see the lack of the presence of God among the people as they turn to doctrines of devils, deception and falsehoods. Modern day religious practices have opened the doors for every foul, unclean and hateful manifestation. A church removed from the holiness of God. Rev. 18:2, [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the Great [/SIZE][SIZE=medium][modern day religion] [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils [/SIZE][SIZE=medium][demons] [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]and the hold[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] [prison] [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]. [/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]In this, note that maturity concerning the wheat and the tares reveals the tares as being a poison filled seed that is separated from God through judgment upon those who receive such mind-sets, a time that is about come upon the whole world.
   In ancient Israel, we see a type of today’s modern day religion called the church who, by allowing the carnal mind and man’s deceitful doctrines to replace the things that God has purposed for His people, they lose sight of God’s purpose to have a people who would be a light to the nations and His witnesses. Isaiah 42:6, Isaiah 43:10 [/SIZE]
   

[SIZE=medium]The judgments of God and His wrath are upon those who promote and believe in false teachings, idol worship and following [/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]all the ways Satan has devised to lead people astray. False belief is that which spots the garments of the church. Thus, while modern day religion has become Satan’s playground and [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]is [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]therefore appointed to God’s wrath, God’s true righteous people are not so appointed, 1 Thess. 5:9 and will be protected during His Day of vengeance and wrath.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Ref: James Lloyd[/SIZE]


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StanJ, I refute the false teaching of a rapture to heaven.
If you believe that verses like John 14:1-5, 1 Thess 4:15-17, or any other scripture proves a rapture removal, when none of them actually say that, then you are deceived.
God's plans for His people are stated many times throughout the Bible. Why not believe the truth?
We remain in the place we were made to inhabit, that is our destiny, but Satan has had a field day fooling millions to believe otherwise.