Putting Speaking Tongues as Evidence to Sleep!

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Those who take scriptures to fit their man made declarations as satifaction to their thirst for their own understanding I have this for you. I'm not shoving it down your face, I'm not mocking. I'm rebuking and Correcting(2nd Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"Those that say speaking in tongues is evidence of the Holy Ghost in You.For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.Romans 11:29Gifts come even without Repentence!
 

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I understood Romans 11:29 to be that God does not repent about giving the gifts. IN other words He does not change his mind after he gives them. I also do not believe that if you do not speak in tongues you are not saved. I recieved Christ as my savior long before I embraced speaking in tongues. I believed I could have, but I was taught they were not needed or existed.
 

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I am a christian, I do not speak in tounges. I would if I could. I know lots of christian who speak in tounges for self edification. they dont harm any one. they do not believe it is a sign of holy spirit ,just a gift. They sin just as much as anyone else. You cannot deny they exist in christians today.remember a house divided canot stand.
 

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There is no gift of unknown tongues I know those who speak it are going to disagreeit does not effects me one way or the other if you talk in so called tonguesI do not say this out self righteousnessor for any other reason then my concern for those who do thisWeigh these spirits carefully for your own sake Satan comes disguised as an angel of light The gift of tongues spoken of in Cor. is simply means to be able to preach in different languages (Greek, Spanish, Hebrew ect.)prophesie literally means to teach (a truth)In those days of the early church people didnt have the Internet or a local college around the corner. there were different tribes, countries occupying strange landshow was the church to get started if all your neighbors spoke in Greek and you were a Hebrew speaking Jew??????? God temporarily granted some the gift to be able to preach in these other human foreign languages thats why you were supposed to have an interpreter if two nor more were talking in differnt languages There was never an unknown tongue(babble) the word unknown was never in the Word it was added by menIt is not there there is no unknown tongue this is unfamiliar spirit not GodThere is only one Cloven tongue of God and the Angels and god never promised it as a gift to the avererage person It says when his Holy spirit descends on one there is a great noise and All within ear shot of this will be amazed and understand exactly what is being said no matter what your native tongue is.THIS WAS A ONE TIME IN THE PAST MIRACLE GIVEN TO THE VERY ASPOSTLES OF GOD THOSE YOU KNEW CHRIST AND WALKED BY HIS SIDE AND TALKED WITH HIMHow arrogant for the average sinner / person to assume that a miracle God granted his very hand choosen aspostles to start his church would just be some babble granted to any one anywhere reguardless of the state of your soul what an insult to God. To edify one self simply means if you are a native Spanish speaker pray in your native tongue so that you can understand all you say to God. God understands all languages. Pray in the one you understand a speak best.Im not looking to argue or debate this again just telling you what the Word says you can believe it or not your choice but just because something appears Holy if its not in the Word of God does not mean it is Holy Ask yourself why you do thisGod promises no speacial treatment for this he could care less what language you use to pray to himdoes it just you feel good (You are to come to your father in humility and reverance not in a way that makes you feel great while you babble and have no idea what you are saying for all you know you are getting a good feeling from Satan for blashmeing the lordyou have no way of knowing speaking in babbleDo you think it makes you look holy to other (others may think you drunk) it makes others think you foolish is this how God wants his children to look to outsiders? you do God no favors appearoing as a drunkin foolDo you think if you do this the holy spirit will come unto you?why would god give a gift to sinner a then call it a holy giftYou must confess your belief repent of your sins live as Jesus example to be proven holy before God would consider giving one any giftNone of these or all of these may be your reasons but I urge you to search your heart and see why you do this.God never speaks of any unknown tongue
 

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I agree with you KrissI think it is a non issue. Christians have used it and mis used it and always will. As long as they dont think you have to recieve tounges to recieve Holy spirit.
 

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Those who take scriptures to fit their man made declarations as satifaction to their thirst for their own understanding I have this for you. I'm not shoving it down your face, I'm not mocking. I'm rebuking and Correcting(2nd Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"Those that say speaking in tongues is evidence of the Holy Ghost in You.For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.Romans 11:29Gifts come even without Repentence!
Unorthodox Christian it is my turn to correct now
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. I will not comment my stance on the tongue subject, I have stated my view, you have stated yours. But I sure feel compelled to explain what this verse means.I have seen your interest in the reek language and translating from the greek text, so I will try to explain what the greek text writes here. The part where the english text writes "without repentance" the greek text writes "anepithecta metamelias"Anepidecta is the plural of anepithectos.Further analysis gives us anepithectos = an-epithectos.Epithectos comes from the verb epithechomai = allow, stand, tolerate. So an-epithectos means "one that does not allow, will not stand, cannot tolerate". Metamelia is the noun of the verb metameloumai = regret.Paul describes the current situation of his people, Jews, that they were once God's chosen people and thus they were gifted, and this gift cannot/will not be taken away from God, God will not regret having given them this gift, even in their downfall. Indeed we can see this even today, as Jews are a very competent and intelligent race. This can also be seen in Apoc. 14:13 where the 144.000 saved Israelites will sing a song that "no man could learn". We see they have something special from God.This of course goes for spiritual gifts too, for example a person is reborn-saved and God grants him the gift of prophecy. Then this person goes astray. Even in his being away from God and even in sin, the gift is not removed. If sometime in the future this person repends, he will again be filled by the Holy Spirit and be able to work the gift God has given him.I have no reason to lie about what I have written concerning the translation from the greek text, my intention is, in fear of God, for all to be correctly informed on God's word.God bless you my brother!
 

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I agree with you KrissI think it is a non issue. Christians have used it and mis used it and always will. As long as they dont think you have to recieve tounges to recieve Holy spirit.
So true So sad1Cr 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues(languages) of men and of angels,(he had been given the cloven tongue in Acts) and have not charity, I am become [as] sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. Why is this laguage gift lower than charity ?Because language is nothing try preaching to a starving family the pain in their belly talks louder than any language one speaksfeed them show them kindness this speaks louder than any words and when they ask why you have shown them kindness you tell them it was the Lord that sent you. I ask what good would it serve the Lord to start babbling so that no one understood but made you feel good is this the way of God?
 

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I believe that the bible refers to this as strange uninterpreted groaning. Can't think of what book it's in.It would be nice to have the gift of speaking in tongues, because I'm having a hard time in my Spanish class as it is.
 

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Paul is saying here that all the gifts without love means nothing. Love has to be our top motive in all of God's work. The only time prophecy is greater than tongues is when there is no interpreter. 1 Corinthians 14:5 says except he interpret.
 

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So true So sad1Cr 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues(languages) of men and of angels,(he had been given the cloven tongue in Acts) and have not charity, I am become [as] sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. Why is this laguage gift lower than charity ?Because language is nothing try preaching to a starving family the pain in their belly talks louder than any language one speaksfeed them show them kindness this speaks louder than any words and when they ask why you have shown them kindness you tell them it was the Lord that sent you. I ask what good would it serve the Lord to start babbling so that no one understood but made you feel good is this the way of God?
Amen to that brother, no one says the opposite. But this is another thing, it has to do with your life, if it is indeed one of a christian! None of us ever said "see me i speak with tongues, i am perfect". First and foremost is the fruit you must have. I am with you (and with the bible) on this."Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?"But why not accept what Jesus himself prophecised?"And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with newtongues; " Mark 16:17Now what exactly don't you understand in this? Is it so hard?(kriss;26303)
Do you think it makes you look holy to other (others may think you drunk) it makes others think you foolish is this how God wants his children to look to outsiders? you do God no favors appearoing as a drunkin fool
"Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine."You see? Exactly what those mocking said about the apostles. But Peter answered"14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:" Acts 2:14Peter says to those of the crowd who don't understand what the apostles are saying in foreign (other than their native) tongue, that they are not drunken, BUT "this (speaking in tongues) is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel. And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh"(kriss;26303)
THIS WAS A ONE TIME IN THE PAST MIRACLE GIVEN TO THE VERY ASPOSTLES OF GOD THOSE YOU KNEW CHRIST AND WALKED BY HIS SIDE AND TALKED WITH HIMHow arrogant for the average sinner / person to assume that a miracle God granted his very hand choosen aspostles to start his church would just be some babble granted to any one anywhere reguardless of the state of your soul what an insult to God.
Does anywhere in the previous verses say that "only us, the apostles will get these gifts and no one else? Does it say that it is an one time only-apostles-will-get-it miracle?? OH MY GOD IT IS A PROMISE TO ALL BELIEVERS OF ALL TIMES! PRAISE OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST WHO HAS SENT US THE COMFORTER!Peter says "32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear (speaking in tongues)." Acts 2:32What else were they hearing that was so astounding except the Apostles talking in tongues???? Is it a miracle?? Nop it is surely a promise! Is it for some?? Nop "39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." Acts 2:39Don't deprive beleivers of what the Lord has promised for all! Open your eyes! Just because you don't see this pouring of the Holy Spirit around you doesn't mean there are not people that indeed live these days of Pentecost. I will be more specific but bitter too. If you don't this pouring of the Holy Spirit"And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:" at the church you go to, then something's wrong. It is all prophesised by Jesus Himself, you should see all these taking place in a church of God! Again I'm quoting Jesus's words"And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover." Mark 16:17Now how many times do I have to quote the same verses over and over again? Do you see these signs in your church? If you don't then this is probably the reason they are telling you that these were for those times blahblahblah. Far be it my brother!They are as contemporary as it gets!God bless you all.
 

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People speak in different tongues. Some are from holy spirit and some are not. Not every one has that gift. There are other gifts too. I have never recieved tounges. I have asked for it, but didnt recieve. God has given me other gifts. We are suppose to use all of our gifts to help each other. Not one gift gives us a spiritual edge over the other. There just wonderful gifts from God for the good of all. I think Teaching is the greatest gift.( just my opinion) Wisdom 2nd. I think this argue gets old. Tounges are a gift. There are different types of tounges. I think every one should test there tounges and ask God to withdraw the tounge if it is not of the Holy spirit. That is the safest way to know if its fron God.