Lord, rise now and judge the earth

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keras said:
Its time you stopped making things up and believe in the truth of all scripture for a change.
This type of hypocrisy has gone on long enough.

Here is what rabbi keras says is the truth when he presents Isaiah 30:26.

On that Day, the moon will shine as brightly as the sun and the sun will shine with seven times its normal strength. The Lord Himself will bring on this judgement, with His anger blazing and His doom heavy. A devouring fire will devastate the nations, His enemies will be as ashes in the fire pit.
Here is what Isaiah 30:26 says in the REB, which rabbi keras uses:

Then shall the light of the moon, be as the light of the sun, And, the light of the sun, shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, - In the day - When Yahweh, bindeth up, the laceration of his people, and When the severe wound caused by smiting them, he healeth.

Now rabbi keras says for ATP to "stop making things up" - and yet that's EXACTLY what rabbi keras does. He makes things up. This is the mark of a hypocrite.
 

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ATP: For a reference, try Zephaniah.

Zep 1:7 Be silent before the Lord God!
For the day of the Lord is near,
For the Lord has prepared a sacrifice,
He has consecrated His guests.

8 "Then it will come about on the day of the Lord's sacrifice
That I will punish the princes, the king's sons
And all who clothe themselves with foreign garments.

9 "And I will punish on that day all who leap on the temple threshold,
Who fill the house of their lord with violence and deceit.


A couple of interesting points here:
  • Verse 7: The Lord has prepared a sacrifice; He has consecrated His guests. These "guests" are not native Israel. The Lord has invited the Gentiles instead. Rather than be the Babylonians or Chaldeans as some commentaries suggest - the word for "guest" here is "called ones". The Elect are called out, first by the Last Trumpet summoning the Dead in Christ (who can include OT Saints), and then with the Rapture of other Gentile Elect who have survived the Great Tribulation, as well as Gentiles who hear the Gospel of the first of three Angels (Rev chp 14) and convert at the last minute.
  • This is associated in Zephaniah with the Day of the Lord, which is when Paul tells us we can expect Jesus to come (parousia) and gather us up.
  • Then, in sequential order, it will come about on this same day in which the Lord has prepared a sacrifice, that He will punish the rulers.
  • Another facet which is also aligned with the Day of the Lord is the mention of an actual Temple with its threshold. This marries well with what Jesus said of the Abomination being in the "Holy Place" which inside the Temple, as well as what Paul said about the Man of Perdition, that he sets himself up (the talking image of the Rev chp 13) in the naos, or Temple.
Likewise where are these guests?

Mt 8:11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

An interesting part is the "many" who will come from east and west are separate from the "subjects" of the Kingdom. This again shows a distinction between Gentile and Jew. The Jews are not thrown into Hell, but outside in the darkness. They are still subject to the Lord. However, having eschewed Jesus before the Rapture, when He reveals Himself as their Messianic King, they weep - Zechariah 12:10

...they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.

The Jews literally miss out on Heaven. They are on the earth after all its desolation, reduced to a mere few, less than 1% of the present world population. Still, God has not abandoned them; He will bind the wounds He has inflicted. They will gather on Mount Zion, and He will care for them. But they miss out on the wedding feast of the Lamb.
 

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Who are the hypocrites is quite evident.
It is all who deny the truth of who is the true Israel, not that nation in the Middle east: That is; it isn't the descendants of Abraham who are the children of God, but those children born through God's promise who are reckoned as the seed. Romans 9:8
I posted 78 scriptures that prove the Church is now the true Israel; #420 in the Wrath of the Lord thread. You hypocritically dismissed all those proofs, because that truth doesn't fit with the false rapture to heaven of the Church theory, where Israel must remain on earth.

Matthew 8:11 does tie in with 1 Thess 4:17, where all those who have kept their faith thru the trials and tests to come, will rise and meet Jesus as He descends. They are invited to the Wedding Supper of the Lamb. This fits with Daniel 12:12 Happy are those who live to see the completion of 1335 days.

Zephaniah is a very interesting prophet. He describes the Lord's Day of wrath very well, Zeph 1:14-18, 3:8 and from it is obvious that that Day is not the Day of Jesus return.

I will answer my own questions of #20:
1/ Luke 14:14-15 does NOT say anyone will be taken to heaven at all.
2/ The dead righteous people are raised at the Return. Rev 20:4-6 Their souls are kept under the Altar and they reign with Jesus for the Millennium.
3/ The Kingdom of Jesus is on earth, but at the end of the 1000 years, there will come a new heavens and a new earth. Rev 21:1-5
 

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ATP, please show exactly where Luke 14:14-15 says the wedding feast is in heaven.
When are the dead righteous people raised?
Where will the Kingdom be after the Return?

Its time you stopped making things up and believe in the truth of all scripture for a change.
The resurrection of the righteous is the first resurrection.
The first resurrection takes place after the great trib is cut short, after the sixth seal is open.
The Kingdom will be waiting for us in heaven...

Luke 14:14-15 NIV / Rev 19:9 NIV and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.” 15When one of those at the table with him heard this, he said to Jesus, “Blessed is the one who will eat at the feast in the kingdom of God.”
 

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ATP, The First resurrection will happen after the Return of Jesus to the earth. Revelation 20:6 Earth is where the Kingdom will be..
[SIZE=medium]Fire judgement[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Hebrews10:27..[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]the terrifying judgement of a fierce fire, that will consume God’s enemies[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]2 Peter 3:7 [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]By the Word of God, the present heavens and earth are being reserved for burning; they are being kept until the Day of judgement when the godless will be destroyed.[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]Matthew 3:10-12, Isaiah 34:2-3[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]The Apostles are telling us the next time that the Lord will judge it will be with fire. In the days of Noah, He judged with water and the rainbow is His promise that He will never again flood the earth. It is awful to think it, but there are a great many prophecies that describe this coming fire judgement. Spiritually, it is only when fire comes: consuming the sins of ourselves and of nations, that we fall down and proclaim ‘the Lord, He is our God’. Literally, it will be the way that He will destroy His enemies, in this coming confrontation in the Middle East and throughout the world.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]This terrible and shocking event, will be so severe that every person will be revealed for what they really are. This crisis will show the real nature of the worlds enmity against God. At the same time it will reveal the true condition of every Christian. 1 Cor. 3:13 Many of us are well fed, enjoying a very comfortable lifestyle and can sing Hallelujah, Amen, with great fervour, but when the terrifying fire judgement hits the earth, will we stand firm in our trust for His protection? When electric power fails, when all telephone, radio and internet communications are destroyed, food supplies cut off and armed gangs roam the streets? [/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]Isaiah 24:10-13[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Isaiah 29:13-14[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] Because this people worship Me with empty words and pay Me lip service while their hearts are far from Me and their religion is but a human precept, learned by rote: therefore I shall shock them, adding shock to shock,[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]The wisdom of their wise will vanish and understanding will be lost.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]A very large percentage of the Bible is a message to us, today in the end times. Most of the events, such as the Exodus and the history of the Israelites are precursors of what we will now experience. 1 Corinthians 10:11[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]We must learn from them and act according to the lessons learnt. Although I am not a theologian, I can read plain words, words that mean things and unless you ignore or allegorize what the prophets are trying to tell us, then a literal understanding will enlighten us as to what will soon happen to this world.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]I do not subscribe to the tendentious theory, which says that God’s people are going to be ‘raptured’ and removed from the earth before this time of trial comes. The whole message of salvation, of discipleship, and coming into the maturity of a Christian is a preparation for a time of testing. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]1 Corinthians 10:13 [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]So far you have faced no trial beyond human endurance. God will not test you beyond your powers, [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]but when the test comes he will enable you to endure under it.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]John 17:15 [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Jesus prayed: [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]I do not[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] pray that You take them out of this world, but that You protect them from the evil one.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Luke 21:34-36[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] Be on your guard, keep alert, so that the great Day does not catch you unready, [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]for that Day will come on everyone the whole world over[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]. Pray for the strength to pass through all that is coming and then to stand in His presence.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Acts 14:22....[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]that to enter the Kingdom of God, we must undergo many hardships.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Ref: REB, some verses abridged[/SIZE]
 

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keras said:
ATP, The First resurrection will happen after the Return of Jesus to the earth. Revelation 20:6 Earth is where the Kingdom will be..
I will agree to disagree.
 

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keras said:
Who are the hypocrites is quite evident.
Yeah, when someone says not to do what they do.

Quit re-writing the Scripture to make it say what you want it to say. Your motives are impure to do such a thing. You cry to the moderators when someone calls you on your crap, but you have no problem trying to throw mud at others. Except when it's not true, it doesn't stick. You're the one who's a hypocrite. Have you no shame? Evidently not. You can't take correction, which means you are not wise. You "proclaim" falsehood as truth, and then cover it up when you're exposed.
 

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So ATP disagrees with the Bible and Marcus continues with his unpleasant remarks, that edify no one.
Why do you post here, if you have already decided what God should do?

That what you think will happen, isn't what the prophets plainly say will happen, should worry you but in your blinded state only as things occur, will all who believe false theories finally understand. Isaiah 29:24
 

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So ATP disagrees with the Bible and Marcus continues with his unpleasant remarks, that edify no one.
Why do you post here, if you have already decided what God should do?

That what you think will happen, isn't what the prophets plainly say will happen, should worry you but in your blinded state only as things occur, will all who believe false theories finally understand. Isaiah 29:24
Not really. You rather seem to be unteachable.
 

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[SIZE=medium]Teaching the Word[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Psalm 78:1-8 [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]My People, mark My Words, I shall tell you a meaningful story, I shall expound the riddle of things past. Things that our forefathers have told us – the wonderful acts of the Lord to His people. The Lord laid upon Jacob a solemn charge to teach his descendants, to repeat through the generations, for them to put their trust in God, to remember His great deeds for them and to keep His commandments. Not to do as their ancestors did – a disobedient and rebellious generation, their hearts not fixed firmly on the Lord. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Jeremiah 24-26 [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Your ancestors did not listen to the prophets I sent.[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]Zech 7:12[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Hosea 3:6 [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Want of knowledge has been the ruin of My people....[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Isaiah 28:9-11 [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Who is there that can be taught? Who makes sense of what he hears? They are like babes, newly weaned. So now, in another tongue, the Lord will address this people.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Isaiah 55:1-3 [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Come for water and food, [/SIZE][SIZE=medium][the Law and the Commandments][/SIZE][SIZE=medium] get My instruction at no cost. Listen to Me and you will fare well, you will enjoy the best of food, hear Me and you will have life.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Isaiah 48:17[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] Thus says the Lord your redeemer: I will teach you for your own wellbeing and lead you in the way you should go. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Jeremiah 16:21 [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Therefore I am teaching My people once and for all, of My power and might and they will learn that My Name is the Lord. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Psalm 25:8-9 [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]The Lord is good and upright, therefore He teaches sinners the way they should go. He guides the humble in right conduct, teaching them His Laws. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Psalm 27:11-12 [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Teach me Your way Lord, do not give me up to the greed of my enemies. Lead me by a level path, so I can escape the troubles that beset me, those liars that threaten harm.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Psalm 32:8 [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]I shall teach you and guide you the way you should go, I will keep you under My eye.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Psalm 86:11 [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Lord teach me Your way, that I may walk in Your truth.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Isaiah 2:2-3[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] In days to come the Lord’s House will be raised above the mountains and many people will say: Let us go up to the Lord’s House, that he may teach us His ways, for instruction comes from Zion and the Word from Jerusalem.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Jeremiah 31:34 [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]No longer will My people teach one another, they will all know the Lord.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Matthew 23:10 [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Do not call yourself ‘Teacher’, for you have one teacher – the Messiah.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]James 3:1 [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]My friends, not many of you should become teachers, because you may be certain that we who teach will ourselves face a severer judgement.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]2 Peter 2:1-3[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] In the past there were false prophets and now there are false teachers among you. They will gain many adherents to their destructive theories, bringing the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed for money, they will trade on peoples credulity with sheer fabrications[/SIZE][SIZE=medium].[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Isaiah 51:4-8[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]Listen to Me, My people, My instruction will shine forth from Me and My judgement will dawn upon you. In an instant the sky will be dispersed like smoke, the earth will become tattered and torn and many people will die, but you who keep My Laws – do not fear your enemies, do not let their reviling dismay you. For My saving power is unbroken and My Deliverance will be everlasting.[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]Ref: REB, Some verses abridged[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]It will be only after the Lord's Day of wrath and we live in the holy Land that we will receive true instruction.[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]Keras[/SIZE]



 

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[SIZE=medium]It will be only after the Lord's Day of wrath and we live in the holy Land that we will receive true instruction.[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]Keras[/SIZE]
That's because you believe the church and Israel have the same fate.
I'm not moving to Judea no matter how many scriptures you post.
Besides, scripture says that we will be raptured from all over the world...

Matt 24:29-31 NIV “Immediately after the distress of those days “ ‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’ 30“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
 

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Are you thinking I mean the current State of Israel when I mention Israel?
Those who I mean that are deemed by God to be Israelites, are all who believe in Him and who accept the redemption of Jesus. The NT makes that clear. Romans 9:6-8, Ephesians 2:11-18
Plainly, in God's eyes all true Christian believers are His chosen people, therefore Israelite. Those people occupying the Holy land at present are not Christian Israelites, other than about 1% of Messanic Jews. Jesus said the Kingdom would be taken from the Jews. Matthew 21:43
Only a remnant of the Jews will survive this forthcoming terrible judgement/punishment by fire, Isaiah 29:1-4, Isaiah 4:3, Isaiah 6:11-13, Zechariah 13:9

Yes, all the true Christian believers will be gathered soon after the devastating Sixth Seal event. They will travel by many conveyances as Isaiah 66:20 and Psalm 107 say. But years later, at the Return of Jesus, all believers who remain alive then, will join the martyred dead in the clouds for the marriage supper of the Lamb.

I'm not moving to Judea either, until the Land is cleared, as the Lord has said He will do. Jeremiah 10:18, Ezekiel 20:47, Zephaniah 1:18, Joel 1:15-20, Isaiah 33:8-9
 

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keras said:
Are you thinking I mean the current State of Israel when I mention Israel?
Those who I mean that are deemed by God to be Israelites, are all who believe in Him and who accept the redemption of Jesus. The NT makes that clear. Romans 9:6-8, Ephesians 2:11-18
Plainly, in God's eyes all true Christian believers are His chosen people, therefore Israelite. Those people occupying the Holy land at present are not Christian Israelites, other than about 1% of Messanic Jews. Jesus said the Kingdom would be taken from the Jews. Matthew 21:43
Only a remnant of the Jews will survive this forthcoming terrible judgement/punishment by fire, Isaiah 29:1-4, Isaiah 4:3, Isaiah 6:11-13, Zechariah 13:9

Yes, all the true Christian believers will be gathered soon after the devastating Sixth Seal event. They will travel by many conveyances as Isaiah 66:20 and Psalm 107 say. But years later, at the Return of Jesus, all believers who remain alive then, will join the martyred dead in the clouds for the marriage supper of the Lamb.

I'm not moving to Judea either, until the Land is cleared, as the Lord has said He will do. Jeremiah 10:18, Ezekiel 20:47, Zephaniah 1:18, Joel 1:15-20, Isaiah 33:8-9
One thing I noticed about your posts is they are very scattered in thought. You have no 70th week timeline at all. You need to organize.

Prewrath Rapture of the Church by Marvin Rosenthal
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1. Antichrist signs peace treaty with Israel to begin the 70th week Isa 28:15 NIV, Isa 28:18 NIV, Isa 57:8-9 NIV, Dan 9:27 NIV, Rev 6:2 NIV.
2. The third temple is built Ez 40-48 NIV, Dan 9:27 NIV, 2 Thess 2:3-4 NIV.
3. The first 3.5 years are birth pains, the first four seals are open along with apostasy of Jews Dan 11:36-45 NIV, Matt 24:4-7, 2 Thess 2:3 NIV, Rev 6:1-8 NIV.
4. At the middle of the 70th week the abomination of desolation takes place Dan 9:27 NIV, Matt 24:15 NIV, 2 Thess 2:3-4 NIV.
5. Michael the angel, the restrainer is removed here Dan 12:1 NIV, 2 Thess 2:6-12 NIV, Rev 12:6-12 NIV.
6. Immediately after the abomination of desolation the fifth seal is open and the Great Tribulation begins, man's rebellion against God Rev 6:9-11 NIV.
7. This is right around where the two witnesses make their appearance and prophesy for 1,260 days Mal 4:5 NIV, Rev 11:2-3 NIV.
8. The last 3.5 years of the 70th week now begins.
9. Then the Great Tribulation is cut short around the middle of the last 3.5 years Matt 24:22 NIV.
10. Immediately after the Great Tribulation ends cosmic disturbances occur before the Day of the Lord begins.
11. The 144,000 are then sealed before the rapture, so they can enter the Day of the Lord without harm Rev 7:2-4 NIV.
12. The rapture occurs at the seventh seal, after the Great Tribulation and at the beginning of the Day of the Lord Matt 25:31-46 NIV, Rev 7:14 NIV, Rev 8:1-5 NIV.
13. The Bema Seat of Christ is here Matt 16:27 NIV, Luke 14:14-15 NIV, 2 Cor 5:10 NIV, Rev 19:8 NIV, Rev 22:12 NIV.
14. Then begins the Day of the Lord, the start of God's wrath of trumpets. The 5th trumpet will also last five months Rev 9:5 NIV.
15. At the end of the 70th week the beast will kill the two witnesses, but after 3.5 days they will come alive Rev 11:7-12 NIV.
16. Very few people will be left after the 70th week is complete Zech 13:8-9 NIV.
17. Jesus Christ landing on the Mount of Olives is here Zech 9:14-17 NIV, Zech 10:1-12 NIV, Zech 12:10-14 NIV, Zech 14:4 NIV, Mal 3:2-4 NIV, Matt 25:31-46 NIV, Rom 11:26-27 NIV, Jude 1:14-15 NIV, Rev 19:11-21 NIV.
18. After the 70th week is complete the bowl judgments begin for 30 days Dan 12:11 NIV, Zech 12:10-14 NIV.
19. Then the 45 days begin for cleansing of the Temple Dan 12:12 NIV, Zech 13:1-6 NIV.
20. After the 45 days are finished the 1,000 year millennium begins Rev 20:4-6 NIV.
21. Nonbelievers will also be a part of the 1,000 year millennium Zech 14:16-19 NIV.
22. After the 1,000 years are finished, the dead believers and nonbelievers that are left over will be judged Rev 20:11-15 NIV.
23. Then a New Heaven and a New Earth will appear making everything new Rev 21:1-8 NIV.
24. Lastly, Eden is restored in which we now live with Jesus Christ forever and ever. Amen Rev 22:1-5 NIV.

Side Note 1: The full seven years are never called "the tribulation period", rather the 70th week is the proper name to describe the seven years.

Side Note 2: The Great Tribulation and the Day of the Lord are not the same event. The GT is man's rebellion against God, and the Day of the Lord is God's wrath against man. These two events are split in half in the last 3.5 years of the 70th week. The church will have to go through the first five seals and also the GT, but they will be raptured before the Day of the Lord begins, God's wrath of trumpets and bowls. The church will witness the signing of the peace treaty, the third temple built, the first four seals opening, the abomination of desolation, the two witnesses, the fifth seal opening, the GT of man's rebellion and the sixth seal of cosmic disturbances in the sun, moon and stars before they are raptured.
 

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keras said:
all believers who remain alive then, will join the martyred dead in the clouds for the marriage supper of the Lamb.
The marriage supper occurs at the first resurrection and rapture, the resurrection of the righteous is the first resurrection Luke 14:14-15, Rev 19:9.
 

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keras said:
Those who I mean that are deemed by God to be Israelites, are all who believe in Him and who accept the redemption of Jesus.
But Israelites still live in unbelief in Israel. I live in belief in the United States.
 

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Yes, all the true Christian believers will be gathered soon after the devastating Sixth Seal event. They will travel by many conveyances as Isaiah 66:20 and Psalm 107 say. But years later, at the Return of Jesus, all believers who remain alive then, will join the martyred dead in the clouds for the marriage supper of the Lamb.
And the sixth seal opens immediately after the GT is over in the middle of the last 3.5 years.
 

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The 4 last posts are a just lists of opinion, that often violate scripture.
You even get the designation of the citizens of the State of Israel wrong. They are Israelis and are mostly descendants of Judah.

Why would the Sixth seal disasters happen after the G.T.? Very illogical and quite contrary to the sequence of Revelation.

I do have a sequence of the last days events and did post it here, but the dogs and the swines trampled on it, Matthew 7:6, so now I only give it out privately on request.

My focus is on the next prophesied event, that will happen years before the last 7 years. It will set the scene for the Anti-Christ. Starting the last days with the peace treaty misses out on all that occurs before that.
 

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Violating Scripture is when you re-write it as rabbi keras has done with Isaiah chapter 30.

Immediately after the Great Tribulation, Jesus says the sun/moon/star event of Mt 24:29, which comes before the Day of the Lord (Joel 2) and thus heralds it, happens.

This event is replicated in the Revelation of Jesus to John with the Sixth Seal. So placing the Great Tribulation first and then the sixth Seal is not only warranted, it is buttressed by the witness of an Elder who proclaims that the Great Multitude now in Heaven came out of the Great Tribulation.

ATP is on the way to working things out. rabbi keras is not fit to judge another's eschatology when his own exegesis has been continually shown to be lacking.
 

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Why would the Sixth seal disasters happen after the G.T.? Very illogical and quite contrary to the sequence of Revelation.
Because Matt 24 and Rev 6 are in chronological order,

1st Seal - Matt 24:4-5 NIV, Rev 6:1-2 NIV
2nd Seal - Matt 24:6 NIV, Rev 6:3-4 NIV
3rd Seal - Matt 24:7 NIV, Rev 6:5-6 NIV
4th Seal - Matt 24:6-7 NIV, Rev 6:7-8 NIV
5th Seal - Matt 24:9 NIV, Rev 6:9-11 NIV
6th Seal - Matt 24:29-31 NIV, Rev 6:12-14 NIV

and Joel, Matthew and John says signs in the sun, moon etc..come after the great trib and precede the Day of the Lord....

Joel 2:30-31 NIV I will show wonders in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and billows of smoke. 31The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.

Joel 3:14-15 NIV Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision! For the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision. 15The sun and moon will be darkened, and the stars no longer shine.

Matt 24:29 NIV “Immediately after the distress of those days “ ‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’

Rev 7:14 NIV I answered, "Sir, you know." And he said, "These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
 

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It is an error to shuffle the given sequence of Revelation. Only done to promote a false theory.


[SIZE=11pt]Revelation 1:1-2 [/SIZE]The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him so that He might show His servants what must soon take place. Happy is the one who reads aloud this prophecy and happy those who listen and take to heart what is written, for the time of fulfilment is near.
[SIZE=11pt]THE SCROLL; [/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]Rev.5:1-14The Lamb of God [Jesus Christ]is the only one worthy to reveal God’s plan to mankind. By His atoning death, the Lord Jesus purchased people and will make them to be a Kingdom and priests to serve God. He will reign and those who are His own will reign with Him.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]Rev. 6 The ‘Lamb’ broke the first five seals - this must have been done in ancient times as these [/SIZE] prophecies have already commenced, as in Zechariah 6 and with the persecution of Christians.
[SIZE=11pt]Zechariah 6:1-8. These are parallel verses about the four horsemen who range over the earth. They were released and given power over a quarter of the earth’s people. This is actually about the number of people killed by wars, famines, disease, etc, since then and still to come, before the Return. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]Matthew 24:5-8 [/SIZE]There will be wars, famines and earthquakes in many places.
[SIZE=11pt]THE FIFTH SEAL- tells of those saints who have been killed for their faith, throughout the ages. They wait for the completion of their numbers, now and up to the end.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]Therefore, the first five seals have been opened. The world and all its people are now suffering under these curses. But it gets worse, for the next event must be:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]THE SIXTH SEAL –[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt] Rev. 6:12-17 [/SIZE]A great earthquake, the sun is darkened, the moon red, stars fall to the earth, the sky will be like a scroll rolled up. People will hide in caves from the wrath of the Lord.
[SIZE=11pt]Isaiah 2:12-21 [/SIZE]On that Day, the Lord will arise and strike the world with terror. People will hide in caves to escape the dread presence of the Lord.
[SIZE=11pt]Isaiah 34:1-5 [/SIZE]The Lord’s judgement descends on the people doomed for destruction, for the Lord’s anger is against all the nations. The sky is rolled up like a scroll.
[SIZE=11pt]Joel 2:1-11 [/SIZE]The Day of the Lord is coming – a Day of darkness, the earth shakes, a vast and countless host appears, the like has never been known, nor will be again. Their appearing is a devouring fire, the flame of their passing leaves a desolate wasteland.
[SIZE=11pt]Isaiah 13:9-13 [/SIZE]See, the Day of the Lord is coming, a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger – to make the land desolate and destroy the sinners within it. The sun and moon will be darkened as I punish the world for its evil. The heavens will tremble and the earth will shake.
[SIZE=11pt]Isaiah 30:26-28 [/SIZE]On the Day that the Lord saves His people, the sun will shine with seven times its usual brightness. The Lord will come from afar, His anger blazing and His doom heavy, His breath a devouring fire. [SIZE=11pt]Reference: REB some verses abridged[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]None of these prophecies can be related to the Return of Jesus in His glory, or the sheep and goat judgement. The Trumpet and Bowl punishments of the Tribulation will happen in the 3½ years before the Return. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]Revelation 7:1-8 [/SIZE]After that, [the 6th seal] the four angels hold back further destruction until God’s seal is set onto the 144,000 servants of God. Isaiah 66:19, Isaiah 49:6
[SIZE=11pt]So, we see that before God’s seal is set on His servants, those Israelites who go out to preach the coming Kingdom of God, a terrible cleansing will take place to prepare for the return of His people, righteous Israel, to the Promised Land.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]Isaiah 30:26 [/SIZE] -This will be caused by a coronal mass ejection [sunstrike] hitting the earth.
[SIZE=11pt]Ambient temperature say, 25[/SIZE]o Celsius x 7= 175o, approximately the heat required to cook food. This will result in extensive deaths and destruction. Fires will destroy cities and forests, resulting in huge smoke clouds, covering and darkening the earth. Isaiah 33:10-12, Psalm 18:7-15
[SIZE=11pt]But, the promise to those who trust in the Lord and keep His Laws is;[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]Joel 2:32 [/SIZE]Then, everyone who calls on the Lord will be saved.