Paul was a wolf in sheeps clothing

StanJ · Jan 16, 2016

The Barrd said:
Once again....I'm not going to post the entire Bible.
No one wants to read a huge wall of text. I know I'm not going to bother to read an entire chapter of scripture in a post on a forum. Show me the pertinent verses...I can look them up in my own Bible, and check the context for myself.
As it turns out, the rest of Hebrews 8...those verses that I did not post...do not change the meaning of the verses that I did post. I posted them as well, just to make FHII happy.
Scroll up to my post #91.

Oh, and, I'll be watching to see how often you post an entire chapter at a time, Stan...not something you do on a regular basis.

You don't have to copy & paste it Barrd, just show the reference. CB uses a program that will popup a window with the text in it. They do that for the very reason of keeping posts as short as possible. You notice I don't copy & paste texts a lot.

You will tend to lose peoples focus IF you include all the text from the scriptures you refer to, plus it make it easier to follow the flow of though and come back to read the popup window afterwards.

Sometimes you'll also notice I don't post scripture at all, because it has often been quoted innumerable times and doesn't really require it to be shown again. If someone is going to ignore the actual import of the words, continually copying it into a post is an effort in futility.

heretoeternity · Jan 16, 2016

Back to the topic of "Was Paul a wolf in sheep's clothing"......
Paul paid the ultimate price with his life for his beliefs in Jesus Christ, so he obviously was sincere in his teachings...for whatever reason, his writings appear to be contradictory but are not when one considers he is talking about the law of Moses and God's law the ten commandments. He is trying to get the message across that the sacrificial law of Moses (613 sacricificial, circumcision, feast days, festival days, food laws etc) ended at the cross...(Colossians 2 and Romans 14 as examples)...These do not affect God's law, the ten Commandments which, as Paul says in Romans, "do we make void the law through faith? God forbid. We establish the law"....the vast majority are follow the erroneous assumption that Paul is actually negating the Ten commandments in Col 2 and Rom 14, when he is clearly referring to the Mosaic law and not God's law...Peter warns of making this error in 2nd Peter 3.16...if you do so you do it to your own detriment!

Barrd · Jan 16, 2016

heretoeternity said:
Back to the topic of "Was Paul a wolf in sheep's clothing"......
Paul paid the ultimate price with his life for his beliefs in Jesus Christ, so he obviously was sincere in his teachings...for whatever reason, his writings appear to be contradictory but are not when one considers he is talking about the law of Moses and God's law the ten commandments. He is trying to get the message across that the sacrificial law of Moses (613 sacricificial, circumcision, feast days, festival days, food laws etc) ended at the cross...(Colossians 2 and Romans 14 as examples)...These do not affect God's law, the ten Commandments which, as Paul says in Romans, "do we make void the law through faith? God forbid. We establish the law"....the vast majority are follow the erroneous assumption that Paul is actually negating the Ten commandments in Col 2 and Rom 14, when he is clearly referring to the Mosaic law and not God's law...Peter warns of making this error in 2nd Peter 3.16...if you do so you do it to your own detriment!

There is a clear difference between the Ten Commandments, and the Law of Moses. Not everyone seems to see that.
The Ten Commandments can not be "done away". They are the bedrock of society. They are fundamental. They are simple common sense.
They are the Law of God...

FHII · Jan 16, 2016

The Barrd said:
There is a clear difference between the Ten Commandments, and the Law of Moses. Not everyone seems to see that.
The Ten Commandments cannot be "done away". They are the bedrock of society. They are fundamental. They are simple common sense.
They are the Law of God...

I LOVE when you make that point! You are talking about worldly things and how important the 10 commandments. Amen!

Me, Paul, Jesus, John and Peter are concerned with heavenly things. We cannot keep the 10 commandments and they won't give us salvation. The old covenant never could. The NEW covenant is the law of the inward man (Christ in you, the hope of glory), the law of faith, or the law of God, which James called the royal law.

I like the ten commmandments, but it is the old covenant. Its part of the law of moses

heretoeternity · Jan 16, 2016

1st John....those who say they know Him and keep not His commandments are LIARS and the truth is not in them!.....not very flattering for those who do not want to keep God's ten commandments!

FHII · Jan 16, 2016

heretoeternity said:
1st John....those who say they know Him and keep not His commandments are LIARS and the truth is not in them!.....not very flattering for those who do not want to keep God's ten commandments!

It doesn't say that! The 10 comnandments are not mentioned. BUT the commandments Jesus does want us to keep are!

You added to the book. Not good.

FHII · Jan 16, 2016

heretoeternity · Jan 16, 2016

What is your scriptural statement for your deliberately false statements? You have none, but it will be interesting to see what your false teachers have told you...

heretoeternity · Jan 16, 2016

FHII said:
It doesn't say that! The 10 comnandments are not mentioned. BUT the commandments Jesus does want us to keep are!

You added to the book. Not good.

Lol...you deliberately chose to ignore the writings of Apostle John...that says a lot about your brand of "christianity" don't you think?

FHII · Jan 16, 2016

heretoeternity said:
What is your scriptural statement for your deliberately false statements? You have none, but it will be interesting to see what your false teachers have told you...

Absolute nonsense.

FHII · Jan 16, 2016

heretoeternity said:
Lol...you deliberately chose to ignore the writings of Apostle John...that says a lot about your brand of "christianity" don't you think?

Absolute nonsense! No, I read the entire book of 1 john before posting. What I say is true. 10 commandments ate never mentioned. Royal law is.

heretoeternity · Jan 16, 2016

Yes your teachers have been feeding you full of "absolute nonsense" like you say....James mentions the royal law, and John refers to it as His commandments...there is only confusion in the mind of one who has obviously endured as much false teaching and been deceived by the satan of this world..you are to be pitied...you are confused by trying to make the Bible fit your satanic template....you should pray for God to open your mind and eyes to His word and read it without any prejudiced thoughts..it will become very clear to you..and you will know the truth ande it will make you free as Jesus said!

StanJ · Jan 17, 2016

FHII said:
Absolute nonsense! No, I read the entire book of 1 john before posting. What I say is true. 10 commandments ate never mentioned. Royal law is.

I agree. As the word LAW is only used once in 1 John as a comparison to righteousness in Christ, it can not be properly though of as John advocating following it.

heretoeternity · Jan 17, 2016

I agree. As the word LAW is only used once in 1 John as a comparison to righteousness in Christ, it can not be properly though of as John advocating following it.

You forget it is not possible to be "righteous in Christ, without following the Holy word of God"... when John says, "those that say they know Him and keep NOT His Commandments are liars and the truth is not in them"..that is the Holy word of God...you say it is nonsense....maybe it is nonsense to someone such as yourself that comes against God's word and His Holy commandments, but if you do, 1st John does not have very nice description for you does he!

justaname · Jan 17, 2016

22 and whatever we ask we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him.
23 And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us.
24 Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us. - 1 John 3:22-24

John never mentions the 10 commandments in his epistle. He gives a clear definition of what he means by "keep His commandments". Any measure of imputing a different definition is eisegesis.

StanJ · Jan 18, 2016

The Barrd said:
There is a clear difference between the Ten Commandments, and the Law of Moses. Not everyone seems to see that.
The Ten Commandments can not be "done away". They are the bedrock of society. They are fundamental. They are simple common sense.
They are the Law of God...

They were the basis of the Mosaic Law and the OC. There were no 10 commandments before that, so you think there was complete lawlessness? You think people never sinned before the 10 Comnandments?
If you don't believe that Jesus fulfilled the law,m which is now done away with then why don't you complain to him about? He said it.

Barrd · Jan 18, 2016

Mat 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Amazing. Here are all of the Ten Commandments, neatly summarized into two Great Commandments.

Barrd · Jan 18, 2016

StanJ said:
They were the basis of the Mosaic Law and the OC. There were no 10 commandments before that, so you think there was complete lawlessness? You think people never sinned before the 10 Comnandments?
If you don't believe that Jesus fulfilled the law,m which is now done away with then why don't you complain to him about? He said it.

As I've said before, the Ten Commandments are the bedrock of society. There never was a time when it was not a sin to murder, for instance.
I believe that the Ten Commandments existed long before they were written down.

Of course, Jesus fulfilled the law...when did I ever even hint that He did not? If you think the law has been done away, why don't you ask Jesus about it?

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

I honestly do not understand what all the fuss is about. Common sense ought to tell us that to this day, it is still wrong to worship other Gods...to create idols to worship...to blaspheme the name of God...all the way down to "thou shalt not covet". It should be obvious to anyone that we do not have freedom to do the things that are forbidden by these Commandments, nor should we ever teach anyone that is okay to ignore these basic laws. I am quite sure that Paul would agree with me here.

heretoeternity · Jan 19, 2016

It is strange the "christian" crowd that says the Ten commandments do not exist anymore...yet these same people kick up a fuss when the placards/monuments with these Ten commandments inscribed are removed from government buildings schools etc....if they don't exist anymore, why worry??

StanJ · Jan 19, 2016

As I've said before, the Ten Commandments are the bedrock of society. There never was a time when it was not a sin to murder, for instance.
I believe that the Ten Commandments existed long before they were written down.

Then you think society didn't exist before the 10 commandments? You think they were written FOR society?
God gave the law of not spilling blood long before it was one of the 10 commandments. It was one of the first sins He addressed and dealt with.

Of course, Jesus fulfilled the law...when did I ever even hint that He did not? If you think the law has been done away, why don't you ask Jesus about it?

Don't need to ask Jesus Barrd, His own words at the end of v18 say it all...."until everything is accomplished". So if he accomplished everything by fulfilling the law, then all required by the law, HAS disappeared. Not sure why this logic escapes you even though you admit to it?

I honestly do not understand what all the fuss is about. Common sense ought to tell us that to this day, it is still wrong to worship other Gods...to create idols to worship...to blaspheme the name of God...all the way down to "thou shalt not covet". It should be obvious to anyone that we do not have freedom to do the things that are forbidden by these Commandments, nor should we ever teach anyone that is okay to ignore these basic laws. I am quite sure that Paul would agree with me here.

I find it funny that you use common sense when it suits you but then won't use it when admonished to do so and tell us that God cannot be understood by us and our common sense? Rather convenient for you, isn't it?

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