Questions to the believers of the Three Distinct Personalities of theTrinity
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You have to go back to John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever;"Let's take a closer look at the Greek word for "abide". In the Strong's Greek dictionary, # 3306, it has the same prime word meaning for that word "mone" [mansions] that we saw in John 14:2. The "mansions" are where we rest in peace, and "abide" is the verb telling us how to do our resting. the "Comforter" is the Holy Spirit, and God's Holy Spirit will allow you to have the rest in those mansions, or resting places, when we "abide" or allow the Spirit to do the direct within your heart, soul and mind. When you give the controls over to Him, God's Spirit will never leave you. it is through God's Word that we are given direction. When we become a Christian, we do not need to wait on the life after death to enjoy our mansions, it is here and now, with the Spirit of the Living God dwelling within us.John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; Whom the world cannot receive, because It seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."The word "dwelleth" and "abideth" that we saw in verse sixteen, are the same in the Greek
He is basically telling them that the event of Acts Chapter 2 and Joel 2, are dwelling with them Now! Jesus is Saying the Same Spirit that is in Him, the Father, is the Same Holy Ghost that came on Pentecost and will fulfilled and did become fulfilled in Acts Chapter 1:8 then in Acts 2:4. Refutation of the Trinity. The Godhead One
(Unorthodox Christian;27063)
He is basically telling them that the event of Acts Chapter 2 and Joel 2, are dwelling with them Now! Jesus is Saying the Same Spirit that is in Him, the Father, is the Same Holy Ghost that came on Pentecost and will fulfilled and did become fulfilled in Acts Chapter 1:8 then in Acts 2:4. Refutation of the Trinity. The Godhead One
Jesus is fully God. Not because the Spirit of the Father dwells in Him, but because He IS God. But I'm curious, since believers have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, what do YOU believe is the difference between Jesus and his followers?
He is basically telling them that the event of Acts Chapter 2 and Joel 2, are dwelling with them Now! Jesus is Saying the Same Spirit that is in Him, the Father, is the Same Holy Ghost that came on Pentecost and will fulfilled and did become fulfilled in Acts Chapter 1:8 then in Acts 2:4. Refutation of the Trinity. The Godhead One
Jesus is fully God. Not because the Spirit of the Father dwells in Him, but because He IS God. But I'm curious, since believers have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, what do YOU believe is the difference between Jesus and his followers?
(Peacebewithyou;27077)
Jesus is fully God. Not because the Spirit of the Father dwells in Him, but because He IS God. But I'm curious, since believers have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, what do YOU believe is the difference between Jesus and his followers?
John 4:24 tells us that God is a Spirit and all true worshippers must worship him in Spirit and truth.
Jesus is fully God. Not because the Spirit of the Father dwells in Him, but because He IS God. But I'm curious, since believers have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, what do YOU believe is the difference between Jesus and his followers?
John 4:24 tells us that God is a Spirit and all true worshippers must worship him in Spirit and truth.
(Faithful;27090)
John 4:24 tells us that God is a Spirit and all true worshippers must worship him in Spirit and truth.
I'm sorry, I'm not following you? My question was, if Jesus was only who he was because he had the Spirit of God dwelling in Him (vs. Him actually being God) then what is the difference between Jesus and the rest of us who also have the Spirit of God dwelling within us?? My point was it totally diminishes Christ. He WASN'T who he was, just because the Spirit of the Father dwelt in him - Jesus was fully God - God the Son.
John 4:24 tells us that God is a Spirit and all true worshippers must worship him in Spirit and truth.
I'm sorry, I'm not following you? My question was, if Jesus was only who he was because he had the Spirit of God dwelling in Him (vs. Him actually being God) then what is the difference between Jesus and the rest of us who also have the Spirit of God dwelling within us?? My point was it totally diminishes Christ. He WASN'T who he was, just because the Spirit of the Father dwelt in him - Jesus was fully God - God the Son.
But I'm curious, since believers have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, what do YOU believe is the difference between Jesus and his followers?Reply With Quote
Are we God? Jesus was Fully Man, Fully God, and had the Holy Ghost in him, literally and spiritually. We have his Spirit in our hearts and mind.
Are we God? Jesus was Fully Man, Fully God, and had the Holy Ghost in him, literally and spiritually. We have his Spirit in our hearts and mind.
The divine nature of Jesus Christ is the Holy Spirit (Gal 4:6, Phil 1:19), which is the Spirit of the Father (Matt 1:18-20, Matt 10:20).
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Can you Explain what Yeshua HaMashiach(Jesus Christ) was talking about in John 14:17?
The world in that verse pertains to the material world."even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you."(John 14:17)"They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world."(John 17:16)"For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do." (Galatians 5:17)
Can you Explain what Yeshua HaMashiach(Jesus Christ) was talking about in John 14:17?
The world in that verse pertains to the material world."even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you."(John 14:17)"They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world."(John 17:16)"For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do." (Galatians 5:17)
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The world in that verse pertains to the material world."even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you."(John 14:17)"They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world."(John 17:16)"For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do." (Galatians 5:17)
I know what it means, I just wanted to see if the Trinitarians can see their folly. They say he has the Same Spirit as the Father and the Holy Ghost, yet say he is not the father. Strong Contradiction to their dogma then. The Man Jesus Christ was not the Father, God Jesus Christ was and is the FATHER. As a created Being, he was the True Son of God because his Spirit was the Very Spirit of the Father.When you say Jesus Christ is not the Father or Holy Ghost, I always refer to this scripture. No matter how many times Jesus Christ Says, me and My Father. It's talking about his Human Nature and his Relationship as a creation of YHWH as Son of God. Nonetheless the Divine Nature and Spirit of Yeshua HaMashiach is the Father and Holy Ghost.
The world in that verse pertains to the material world."even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you."(John 14:17)"They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world."(John 17:16)"For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do." (Galatians 5:17)
I know what it means, I just wanted to see if the Trinitarians can see their folly. They say he has the Same Spirit as the Father and the Holy Ghost, yet say he is not the father. Strong Contradiction to their dogma then. The Man Jesus Christ was not the Father, God Jesus Christ was and is the FATHER. As a created Being, he was the True Son of God because his Spirit was the Very Spirit of the Father.When you say Jesus Christ is not the Father or Holy Ghost, I always refer to this scripture. No matter how many times Jesus Christ Says, me and My Father. It's talking about his Human Nature and his Relationship as a creation of YHWH as Son of God. Nonetheless the Divine Nature and Spirit of Yeshua HaMashiach is the Father and Holy Ghost.
(Unorthodox Christian;27866)
The Man Jesus Christ was not the Father, God Jesus Christ was and is the FATHER. As a created Being, he was the True Son of God because his Spirit was the Very Spirit of the Father..
How do you seperate the man Jesus Christ from the God Jesus Christ? He was fully God, fully man at the same time.
Also, Jesus was not a created being. In the begining was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Jesus has always existed, because He is God.
The Man Jesus Christ was not the Father, God Jesus Christ was and is the FATHER. As a created Being, he was the True Son of God because his Spirit was the Very Spirit of the Father..
How do you seperate the man Jesus Christ from the God Jesus Christ? He was fully God, fully man at the same time.
Also, Jesus was not a created being. In the begining was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Jesus has always existed, because He is God.(Peacebewithyou;27868)
(Unorthodox Christian;27866)
The Man Jesus Christ was not the Father, God Jesus Christ was and is the FATHER. As a created Being, he was the True Son of God because his Spirit was the Very Spirit of the Father.
How do you seperate the man Jesus Christ from the God Jesus Christ? He was fully God, fully man at the same time. Also, Jesus was not a created being. In the begining was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Jesus has always existed, because He is God.Of course not. But His body was.John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.Philippians 2:7 - But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
(Unorthodox Christian;27866)
The Man Jesus Christ was not the Father, God Jesus Christ was and is the FATHER. As a created Being, he was the True Son of God because his Spirit was the Very Spirit of the Father.
How do you seperate the man Jesus Christ from the God Jesus Christ? He was fully God, fully man at the same time.
Also, Jesus was not a created being. In the begining was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Jesus has always existed, because He is God.Of course not. But His body was.John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.Philippians 2:7 - But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.(thesuperjag;27870)
Of course not. But His body was.John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.Philippians 2:7 - But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
Hey Jag,Yes - I agree & understand what you are saying. But unorthodox Christian said this: The Man Jesus Christ was not the Father, God Jesus Christ was and is the FATHER And I'm questioning how that even makes sense? You can't seperate the "man" part of Jesus from the "God" part. As the "man" - Jesus was still fully God.
Of course not. But His body was.John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.Philippians 2:7 - But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
Hey Jag,Yes - I agree & understand what you are saying. But unorthodox Christian said this: The Man Jesus Christ was not the Father, God Jesus Christ was and is the FATHER And I'm questioning how that even makes sense? You can't seperate the "man" part of Jesus from the "God" part. As the "man" - Jesus was still fully God.
If you agree with Jag's Post then you completely missed what he even meant.Look at it again!
John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
The Word was MADE Flesh. The Word Spirit of 1st John 5:7 is the Spirit of the Word, not the Flesh.
Philippians 2:7 - But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
His Body, HIS HUMAN NATURE WAS MADE IN THE LIKENESS OF MEN!If you agree with this, you should have agreed with me. I'm not boasting but me and Jag have the same view. Now I'll leave this for youGod is not a ManGod did not become a manGod was not made FleshThe Word became ManThe Word was made FleshGod was manifested in FleshGod was in Jesus Christ(Yeshua HaMashiach)It's amazing how such few people see the Dual Nature of Yeshua HaMashiach. I'm glad Jag sees it. He knows the distinction between Son of Man, Son of God, and Everlasting Father. Jag understands God manifested into Flesh not man. The Flesh which God manifested into was made into the Likeness of Men.
John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
The Word was MADE Flesh. The Word Spirit of 1st John 5:7 is the Spirit of the Word, not the Flesh.
Philippians 2:7 - But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
His Body, HIS HUMAN NATURE WAS MADE IN THE LIKENESS OF MEN!If you agree with this, you should have agreed with me. I'm not boasting but me and Jag have the same view. Now I'll leave this for youGod is not a ManGod did not become a manGod was not made FleshThe Word became ManThe Word was made FleshGod was manifested in FleshGod was in Jesus Christ(Yeshua HaMashiach)It's amazing how such few people see the Dual Nature of Yeshua HaMashiach. I'm glad Jag sees it. He knows the distinction between Son of Man, Son of God, and Everlasting Father. Jag understands God manifested into Flesh not man. The Flesh which God manifested into was made into the Likeness of Men.
(Unorthodox Christian;27872)
God is not a ManGod did not become a manGod was not made FleshThe Word became ManThe Word was made FleshGod was manifested in FleshGod was in Jesus Christ(Yeshua HaMashiach)It's amazing how such few people see the Dual Nature of Yeshua HaMashiach. I'm glad Jag sees it. He knows the distinction between Son of Man, Son of God, and Everlasting Father. Jag understands God manifested into Flesh not man. The Flesh which God manifested into was made into the Likeness of Men.
You said God did not become man. The Word became man.But whe Word IS God. So obviously God became man.A = GodB = The WordC = ManIf A=B and B=C then A=C.So few people see what you're talking about because it isn't logical at all.
God is not a ManGod did not become a manGod was not made FleshThe Word became ManThe Word was made FleshGod was manifested in FleshGod was in Jesus Christ(Yeshua HaMashiach)It's amazing how such few people see the Dual Nature of Yeshua HaMashiach. I'm glad Jag sees it. He knows the distinction between Son of Man, Son of God, and Everlasting Father. Jag understands God manifested into Flesh not man. The Flesh which God manifested into was made into the Likeness of Men.
You said God did not become man. The Word became man.But whe Word IS God. So obviously God became man.A = GodB = The WordC = ManIf A=B and B=C then A=C.So few people see what you're talking about because it isn't logical at all.
Is the Human Nature of Man Sinning an Attribute of God?The Word of God, is God, but it's his Thought UNEXPRESSED. The Whole Being of Yeshua HaMashiach was in the Thought of YHWH. Like us, we are called Sons of God Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. Adam, was in the Thoughts of God, He was not the Word of God though, he was God's Thoughts expressed, a perfect man without the Fullness of the Godhead Bodily Colossians 2:9. Jesus was a perfect man with the Fullness of the Godhead Bodily Colossians 2:9. KEY WORD, FULLNESS OF GODHEAD BODILY, BODILY BEING THE OPERATIVE WORD.I will leave this for you and I think when I have enough time, I'll put more umph into it.Matthew 28:18 18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.If Jesus Christ the man was Also God, why was it given unto him? His Human nature was the Son of Man as Prophet, and Son of God as Mashiach and Word Manifested into Flesh.Flesh and Man are two different things. Logos in Greek literally means a Word in Action or A word coming into existence. We are not the Word of God, the Word and thoughts of God are different. We are the thoughts of God expressed just like Adam, Jesus Christ was The Word expressed in Jesus Christ.Jesus was the Logos, the Word of YHWH that came into existence. He was the, ".......Let there be light" of Genesis 1:3. In Genesis 1:8 When God called the firmament Heaven, the "called" was the Word of God, Yeshua HaMashiach. In Genesis 1:11 when YHWH called and brought for the Grass, the "called" was Yeshua HaMashiach.If I had more time, I'd give you a book or an exposition. But people today go by what other men say or what is called "orthodox". Be back soon.UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
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