Who Did Cain Marry

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This is one of those questions like; did Adam and Eve have belly buttons?If one believes Adam and Eve were the first creatues we call man, then Cain married his sister. Just becuase scripture doesn't cite the many children of Eve doesn't mean they didn't exsist. And that can be said about many things that are never acknowledged in scripture yet we can observe and then prove their prior existance through clinical observation and analysis.
 

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Excellent question. I think you have to look at the creation itself. On the 6th day, we know that God created mankind the Hebrew of which is 'adam meaning mankind (man). He created both male and female at this time and there is no gap from these particular verses in the latter part of Genesis 1. Move ahead to Genesis 2 where God creates Adam. Note that the Hebrew is Ha-adam which is an entirely different word and being. These were two different events. I believe that Cain's wife came from the initial mankind created on the 6th day. The Ha-adam of Genesis 2 being entirely different because this is the line that Jesus comes from. This is the line that names every beast of the field, fowl of the air, and fish of the sea. This is the line of which the Truth is passed down and eventually all of the patriarchs come through King David right down to Christ. So, in all likelyhood, Cain's wife came from outside of his family. This can be debated, but I am quite certain of this.
 

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SwampfoxDo you think this other group of people were more like a type of the early man that sciencehas found the evidence of? and if I'm understaning you right these early men people did not have the spirt of God breathed into them as Adam did? Could this be why I have seen the word Adam in some hebrew translations stated as meaning THE MAN because the breath of God made him different?
 

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SwampFoxNow that was very VERY interesting, smacks of truth and goes right along with what I wrote:
And that can be said about many things that are never acknowledged in scripture yet we can observe and then prove their prior existance through clinical observation and analysis.
What you have done is what I acknowledge to be true. The scriptures don't cite all for everything we may inquire of, but enough is there to bring out what you have with analyis. Nice job. I am going to link what you wrote to others since you have given something wuite new. By the way, is this your own observation or have you learned this from another; or maybe put two and two together from other sources?
 

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Who did Cain marry if there were no other people on earth besides Adam and Eve?
He married his twin sister. You can look up Rashi's commentary on Vayikra (Leviticus) 20:17 for more information if you're really interested in the answer.
 

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What you have done is what I acknowledge to be true. The scriptures don't cite all for everything we may inquire of, but enough is there to bring out what you have with analyis. Nice job. I am going to link what you wrote to others since you have given something wuite new. By the way, is this your own observation or have you learned this from another; or maybe put two and two together from other sources?
I learned this through a combination of several sources. I must say that from the outset the idea that the parts of Genesis 1 were rehashed with so many details in Genesis 2 does not fit for me. I guess that's the English major in me. A preacher that I watch and respect, Arnold Murray of the Shepherd's Chapel, brushed the topic a bit one day and I ran with it from there. I've studied Bullinger's Companion Bible and read a couple other books that work from this same theory. I'm very fascinated about history and I'm slowly but surely using the Bible to put together the details of history outside of the Bible.I've been planning a Bible study on it to reveal some of my future plans, but I wanted to make sure that there's nothing that makes me uncertain or really clashes with what other Biblical text might have to say. At this point I am very certain about how this happened.As your statement also points out, something like this is not a "make or break" detail for a child of God. I know there are plenty of people out there who will disagree with me about this to the last; but I believe it to be true and would not say so if I believed otherwise. I'm in the here and the now for a reason; things have become clearer for me in the past years since I do sometimes try and listen to God (which I have failed at lately with no one to blame but myself). If you tune out the world for just a few minutes or hours a day, it's amazing what He'll tell you.The initial books of Genesis follow a very logical order. If, as we're told to believe, Genesis 2 is a more-detailed part of Genesis 1, then the logic breaks down IMHO and you lose the truly nice flow of order.
He married his twin sister. You can look up Rashi's commentary on Vayikra (Leviticus) 20:17 for more information if you're really interested in the answer.
Where exactly is this name pulled from?I have a very hard time with this because there is nothing in the Bible that supports a theory like this whatsoever. Regardless of your stance, the only possibility (and the Truth) is that Cain and Abel were twins. Cain's crime and punishment are cited right there in Genesis 4:Genesis 4:9-12And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper? And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground. And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand; When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
 

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Move ahead to Genesis 2 where God creates Adam. Note that the Hebrew is Ha-adam which is an entirely different word and being.
The "Ha", letter Hay, simply mean's the. So in Bereishis 2:8, we have HaShem saying that, "....placed there the man whom HaShem had formed". You are incorrect in saying that HaAdam is a completely different word then Adam. Adam is simply a name of a single person. Adam's name means "man". HaAdam can't refer to the name of the person, but the meaning of his name, man. Ha, "the" - Adam, "man". (SwampFox;2755)
These were two different events.I believe that Cain's wife came from the initial mankind created on the 6th day.
Everytime HaShem refers to mankind in Genesis, it's in the singular form. (SwampFox;2755)
The Ha-adam of Genesis 2 being entirely different because this is the line that Jesus comes from. This is the line that names every beast of the field, fowl of the air, and fish of the sea. This is the line of which the Truth is passed down and eventually all of the patriarchs come through King David right down to Christ.
What do you make of Jeremiah 22:24-30? Be sure to look at Matthew's geneology when reading this.
 

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Where exactly is this name pulled from?
What name?(SwampFox;2763)
I have a very hard time with this because there is nothing in the Bible that supports a theory like this whatsoever. Regardless of your stance, the only possibility (and the Truth) is that Cain and Abel were twins. Cain's crime and punishment are cited right there in Genesis 4:....
Where did I say that Cain and Abel were not twins? Cain also had sisters who were twins.
 

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The "Ha", letter Hay, simply mean's the. So in Bereishis 2:8, we have HaShem saying that, "....placed there the man whom HaShem had formed". You are incorrect in saying that HaAdam is a completely different word then Adam. Adam is simply a name of a single person. Adam's name means "man". HaAdam can't refer to the name of the person, but the meaning of his name, man. Ha, "the" - Adam, "man".
What are we to make of Genesis 2:7 then?And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.All renderings of "man" there are Ha-adam before he is named.
Everytime HaShem refers to mankind in Genesis, it's in the singular form.
Well yeah, because they are both man and belong to mankind. The difference being the line of Adam from the rest of man - they were blessed with Truth and so forth - but still fell because they were man.I'll address your last point in a following post a little later.
 

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He married his twin sister. You can look up Rashi's commentary on Vayikra (Leviticus) 20:17 for more information if you're really interested in the answer.
This is a miss interpitation of scripture and not Biblical Cain was a twin but his twin was his brother Abel (See The true sin in the Garden of Eden study) he had no twin sister that is why they both(Cain and Abel) came of age at the same time to make an offering to God. in hebrew the word for he,she,and it can be very simular.This is one of those situations where you must be very careful not to be mislead and use your common sense the hebrew makes it very clear that Eve gave birth to Cain and CONTINUED her labour and gave birth to Abel. the hebrew word meaning "continued" is used here refering to the birth of Cain and Abel not Cain and a sister.
 

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What are we to make of Genesis 2:7 then?
וַיִּיצֶר יְהוָה אֱלֹהִים אֶת-הָאָדָם, עָפָר מִן-הָאֲדָמָה, וַיִּפַּח בְּאַפָּיו, נִשְׁמַת חַיִּים; וַיְהִי הָאָדָם, לְנֶפֶשׁ חַיָּהLet me make sure were on the same page, you're looking at this?(SwampFox;2767)
All renderings of "man" there are Ha-adam before he is named.
Adam in Hebrew is a name. It means man. It's the same as Georgia, it is a female name, yet it also means a state in the United States.(SwampFox;2767)
Well yeah, because they are both man and belong to mankind. The difference being the line of Adam from the rest of man - they were blessed with Truth and so forth - but still fell because they were man.
If I have two men, I refer to it in the plural form.(SwampFox;2767)
I'll address your last point in a following post a little later.
You do that.
 

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This is a miss interpitation of scripture and not Biblical Cain was a twin but his twin was his brother Abel (See The true sin in the Garden of Eden study) he had no twin sister that is why they both(Cain and Abel) came of age at the same time to make an offering to God. in hebrew the word for he,she,and it can be very simular.This is one of those situations where you must be very careful not to be mislead and use your common sense the hebrew makes it very clear that Eve gave birth to Cain and CONTINUED her labour and gave birth to Abel. the hebrew word meaning "continued" is used here refering to the birth of Cain and Abel not Cain and a sister.
Okay, let's get one thing straight, you obviously shouldn't even attempt to talk about Hebrew to me as you don't even realize there is no word in hebrew for "It". There is no neuter in Hebrew. Also, please bold the Hebrew word for "continued", because being a native speaker, I just don't see it.Bereishis 4:1-2וְהָאָדָם, יָדַע אֶת-חַוָּה אִשְׁתּוֹ; וַתַּהַר, וַתֵּלֶד אֶת-קַיִן, וַתֹּאמֶר, קָנִיתִי אִישׁ אֶת-יְהוָה וַתֹּסֶף לָלֶדֶת, אֶת-אָחִיו אֶת-הָבֶל; וַיְהִי-הֶבֶל, רֹעֵה צֹאן, וְקַיִן, הָיָה עֹבֵד אֲדָמָה
 

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If I have two men, I refer to it in the plural form.
If you are in that situation, sure you would. However, this is not the situation we're talking about. Phrases such as "mankind's greatest invention" and "man's greatest invention" illustrate what I am talking about here, so let's get on the same page in this regard.Hence the reason God says:"Let us make man in Our image, after ourlikeness: and let them have dominion..."(Genesis 2:26)Just want to clarify something here, because it appears to me that we may very well be looking at this from different perspectives. Are you Christian?
 

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Okay, let's get one thing straight, you obviously shouldn't even attempt to talk about Hebrew to me as you don't even realize there is no word in hebrew for "It". There is no neuter in Hebrew. Also, please bold the Hebrew word for "continued", because being a native speaker, I just don't see it.Bereishis 4:1-2וְהָאָדָם, יָדַע אֶת-חַוָּה אִשְׁתּוֹ; וַתַּהַר, וַתֵּלֶד אֶת-קַיִן, וַתֹּאמֶר, קָנִיתִי אִישׁ אֶת-יְהוָה וַתֹּסֶף לָלֶדֶת, אֶת-אָחִיו אֶת-הָבֶל; וַיְהִי-הֶבֶל, רֹעֵה צֹאן, וְקַיִן, הָיָה עֹבֵד אֲדָמָה
yacaph {yaw-saf'} (often adv,to continue to do a thing):-add TWOT Reference Root Word TWOT - 876 a primitive root Part of Speech v Outline of Biblical Usage 1) to add, increase, do againa) (Qal) to add, increase, do again
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(Niphal)1) to join, join oneself to2) to be joined, be added toc) (Hiphil)1) to cause to add, increase2) to do more, do again Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 213 AV - more 70, again 54, add 28, increase 16, also 6, exceed 4, put 4, further 4, henceforth 4, can 2, Continued 2, give 2, misc 17; 213 as you can see 2 Continued is here
 

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yacaph {yaw-saf'} (often adv,to continue to do a thing):-add TWOT Reference Root Word TWOT - 876 a primitive root Part of Speech v Outline of Biblical Usage 1) to add, increase, do againa) (Qal) to add, increase, do again
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(Niphal)1) to join, join oneself to2) to be joined, be added toc) (Hiphil)1) to cause to add, increase2) to do more, do again Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 213 AV - more 70, again 54, add 28, increase 16, also 6, exceed 4, put 4, further 4, henceforth 4, can 2, Continued 2, give 2, misc 17; 213 as you can see 2 Continued is here
Let me get this right, because the KJV bible interprets this word to mean continued 1% of the time in the bible, you're going to sit here and insist to someone who knows the language that it means continue. Why would the KJV translate it as something else 99% of the time? Not only that, the definition you listed, doesn't even have it in the definition. . .
 

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If you are in that situation, sure you would. However, this is not the situation we're talking about. Phrases such as "mankind's greatest invention" and "man's greatest invention" illustrate what I am talking about here, so let's get on the same page in this regard.Hence the reason God says:"Let us make man in Our image, after ourlikeness: and let them have dominion..."(Genesis 2:26)
There is no Genesis 2:26. You're referring to chapter 1.(SwampFox;2775)
Just want to clarify something here, because it appears to me that we may very well be looking at this from different perspectives. Are you Christian?
Not sure that it matters, I'm looking at this from a language perspective.Hebrew is very different then English. In Hebrew you can refer to a group of people in the 3rd person singular tense. In English, there are a billion tenses, meanwhile in Hebrew, there are 4: past, present, future, and command form. In Hebrew, there is no such thing as a capital letter. Bear this in mind when you read the KJV...
 

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Let me get this right, because the KJV bible interprets this word to mean continued 1% of the time in the bible, you're going to sit here and insist to someone who knows the language that it means continue. Why would the KJV translate it as something else 99% of the time? Not only that, the definition you listed, doesn't even have it in the definition. . .
As an English major, I can tell you that given the other translations and overall definition, it clearly carries the connotation and denotation of being something done in continuation.
There is no Genesis 2:26. You're referring to chapter 1.
A typo.
Not sure that it matters, I'm looking at this from a language perspective.Hebrew is very different then English. In Hebrew you can refer to a group of people in the 3rd person singular tense. In English, there are a billion tenses, meanwhile in Hebrew, there are 4: past, present, future, and command form. In Hebrew, there is no such thing as a capital letter. Bear this in mind when you read the KJV...
I'm positive that it does, acutally. You cannot discuss/argue with someone of another faith in many regards if not all. Naturally, you're going to draw from sources that I will not believe in and vice versa. However, looking at your posts from day one, it's clear that you've come in here ready for a fight or two. Just about every post you've made comes off in a very condescending manner - more like someone who wants to break something down than teach or help. That's not what this community is about.
 

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SwampfoxDo you think this other group of people were more like a type of the early man that sciencehas found the evidence of? and if I'm understaning you right these early men people did not have the spirt of God breathed into them as Adam did? Could this be why I have seen the word Adam in some hebrew translations stated as meaning THE MAN because the breath of God made him different?
Mankind created outside of Adam would therefor...not be Man..for God created Mankind in his image and likeness. And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 027: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he themTherefor, if God created more than Adam & Eve, they would still be in his image and likeness, or, they would not be “Mankind”
 

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Cain married a female from the land of Nod.Cain's descendents are not in Adam's genealogy; if it had been a sister of Cain that he married, the descendents would have been, at least in part, some of Adam's genealogy.No, he took a wife of the 6th day creation. God created all the races and declared that it was good. He loves all his children, no matter what race or what day they were created on.All are equal. There are only two real races; the wheat and the tares.Or put another way, Godly children or children of the devil.