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Precious message we are not saying we are better than the homosexuals. we are saying that they are wrong. But we are not putting ourselves above them. I will even go on to say that in my eyes they are above me, for I can only judge myself and all I see in myself is sin.In fact I can even relate to people who claim to be homosexual, for I once claimed to be one. 2 years ago I was attracted to my same sex. It was disturbing, I thought I was one. and then by MY OWN power I broke out of it. now I wish I had used Gods power because the way I broke out of it only lead me to sin, but it does prove a point that this is a man made feeling which we trick our selfs into believing that we are. and It is so shallow and man made that we can break out of it with our own mind power easily.Why it is not our original nature, homosexuals (speaking from experience not just guessing) have tricked them selfs that they are attracted, and because of the amazing power of the brain they seem to be. but you can easily deprogram this feeling. Try doing this with the feeling of attraction to the opposite sex. In blatant honesty you can't.But I do not put myself over them. I was once them. and let me mention one thing, having attractions to the same sex( even if fake) is not a sin, it is the act of intercourse and sexual acts which are a sin in gods eyes.Your brother in ChristRyan FitzYour Broth
 

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Precious message we are not saying we are better than the homosexuals. we are saying that they are wrong. But we are not putting ourselves above them. I will even go on to say that in my eyes they are above me, for I can only judge myself and all I see in myself is sin.In fact I can even relate to people who claim to be homosexual, for I once claimed to be one. 2 years ago I was attracted to my same sex. It was disturbing, I thought I was one. and then by MY OWN power I broke out of it. now I wish I had used Gods power because the way I broke out of it only lead me to sin, but it does prove a point that this is a man made feeling which we trick our selfs into believing that we are. and It is so shallow and man made that we can break out of it with our own mind power easily.Why it is not our original nature, homosexuals (speaking from experience not just guessing) have tricked them selfs that they are attracted, and because of the amazing power of the brain they seem to be. but you can easily deprogram this feeling. Try doing this with the feeling of attraction to the opposite sex. In blatant honesty you can't.But I do not put myself over them. I was once them. and let me mention one thing, having attractions to the same sex( even if fake) is not a sin, it is the act of intercourse and sexual acts which are a sin in gods eyes.Your brother in ChristRyan FitzYour Broth
Hi Ryan,Only God can lead one to repentance. Rom. 2:4,16. We have no power. Who do you think keeps you're heart beating? Thanks for the testimony dear brother. The act is certainly sin, yet just the thought is sin enough. Jesus said, "whosever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." .... It' a matter of the "heart," not the literal act.
 

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we are not saying we are better than the homosexuals. we are saying that they are wrong.
Umm.. may I suggest we be a tad more careful about the words we should choose? I mean, if I were Gay, that comes out sounding like I'm theologically wrong, necessarily, or perhaps "wrong" by nature, with an emphasis I don't find fitting.It might be more accurate and appropriate to say we are claiming that those who defend homosexuality Biblically, are wrong.
 

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Only God can lead one to repentance. Rom. 2:4,16. We have no power. Who do you think keeps you're heart beating?Like I said before breaking it on my own was one of the worst things I could have done.I mean I broke it through pornography ( which caused about of year of addiction before I was able to beat it.this time through God. ) I broke the sin of lusting by a greater sin of lusting. How much worse could I get? so no I had no power and I had no repentance. I just used the point that I broke it by myself to show how shallow the condition really is.Pornography has led me to other addictions which I am still struggling with today so If you could pray it would be much appreciated,geez this was hard to write your brother in christ Ryan Fitz
 

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Only God can lead one to repentance. Rom. 2:4,16. We have no power. Who do you think keeps you're heart beating?Like I said before breaking it on my own was one of the worst things I could have done.I mean I broke it through pornography ( which caused about of year of addiction before I was able to beat it.this time through God. ) I broke the sin of lusting by a greater sin of lusting. How much worse could I get? so no I had no power and I had no repentance. I just used the point that I broke it by myself to show how shallow the condition really is.Pornography has led me to other addictions which I am still struggling with today so If you could pray it would be much appreciated,geez this was hard to write your brother in christ Ryan Fitz
Well said, our own power can be "exhibited" through our "own" works of the law, an impossibility. Thanks for sharing when most will not share. I will pray for you dear brother. Please pray for me too!
 

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I cant believe Im going to say this but I agree with Tyrel on this point of what this about what he hasn't addressed is why is this so difficult today because men have decided they know better than the Word of God. why do they take this attitude. because clergy and religion has failed them by not teaching them how to study.most think they just read the bible take what they understand and thats it except when your mininter,pastor, or priest tells you something new. Well its not Gods word is more than a book it is Gods holy words to us it is all wisdom for all time yesterday,today,tomarrow and there are rules to learn how to study it right Where do you learn that today?? So we are left with everyone coming up with their own opinions that why all the division everyone thinks they are right. But did they study right to get these opinions thats the key to understanding the Word knowing how to study it. Let me ask all of you something have any of you asked a biblical question that we here at CB have not offered an explanation with scripture to back it up? You may not agree with the answer but you can not scriptural prove it wrong you can have opinon it is wrong but you can not disprove in scripture.Do you think it is because we have it all memorized or know all the answers because we think we are smarter than the rest of you ? No, it is none of these it is simply we know how to study and where to go to find the answer Like I said you can disagree but you will be hard pressed to be able to prove us wrong with scripture.Its like studying history if you took out all the dates how could one put the proper picture together. Same thing with the Bible if you don't learn the rules you can not get the whole picture in proper context.
Kriss, you just proved my point with this post!! Sure, we can debate scripture until we're blue in the face. I feel just as strongly that you cannot prove the RCC wrong with scripture. You have a problem with bishops and the pope telling people how to interpret scripture. But when you interpret scripture for yourself, you in a sense make yourself the pope of your scripture interpretation. Again, go back to 33,000+ non-Catholic popes today interpreting scripture any way they like.
 

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Kriss, you just proved my point with this post!! Sure, we can debate scripture until we're blue in the face. I feel just as strongly that you cannot prove the RCC wrong with scripture. You have a problem with bishops and the pope telling people how to interpret scripture. But when you interpret scripture for yourself, you in a sense make yourself the pope of your scripture interpretation. Again, go back to 33,000+ non-Catholic popes today interpreting scripture any way they like.
Matthew 15:9 - But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men....Matthew 15:18-20 - But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.Jag
 
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I boldy Say that the Catholic Church, YES GENERALLY SPEAKING, have denied the Holy Ghost. WHich is why so many members cannot see an fallible scuffs or marks in the RCC. Which is Sad. To call yourself a Church is a mockery of What God calls Us. The Body of Christ is called the Called Out(Church). You cannot be named Pentecostal Church, Methodist Church, Catholic Church, those are just lodges. The meaning Church is a term meaning Called Out, which the Body of Christ and his Elect are! Not some name of a Church, that's just a lodge.Romans 16:17Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.1st Corinthians 1:12-13Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul' and I of Apollos, and I of Cephas and I of Christ.Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?The RCC calls itself the Church that was built of Peter. Christ is the Foundation, or the Rock of the Called Out(Church). The Rock which the Church was built on, was the Revelation Peter had that the Father Revealed to him, that Indeed Jesus Christ was the Son of God.No before I go into further Digression, I want to say this goldy, If you truly seek the Scriptures, you would come to Christ and Christ alone and ask that he Give you guidance, wisdom, knowledge and his Holy Spirit. That's what I did and indeed he came.You do not need men, but there are times where if the Holy Ghost is willing, he will provide a lost soul the right man to bring him to salvation.
 

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I boldy Say that the Catholic Church, YES GENERALLY SPEAKING, have denied the Holy Ghost. WHich is why so many members cannot see an fallible scuffs or marks in the RCC. Which is Sad. To call yourself a Church is a mockery of What God calls Us. The Body of Christ is called the Called Out(Church). You cannot be named Pentecostal Church, Methodist Church, Catholic Church, those are just lodges. The meaning Church is a term meaning Called Out, which the Body of Christ and his Elect are! Not some name of a Church, that's just a lodge.Romans 16:17Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.1st Corinthians 1:12-13Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul' and I of Apollos, and I of Cephas and I of Christ.Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?The RCC calls itself the Church that was built of Peter. Christ is the Foundation, or the Rock of the Called Out(Church). The Rock which the Church was built on, was the Revelation Peter had that the Father Revealed to him, that Indeed Jesus Christ was the Son of God.No before I go into further Digression, I want to say this goldy, If you truly seek the Scriptures, you would come to Christ and Christ alone and ask that he Give you guidance, wisdom, knowledge and his Holy Spirit. That's what I did and indeed he came.You do not need men, but there are times where if the Holy Ghost is willing, he will provide a lost soul the right man to bring him to salvation.
Well, I will BOLDLY say that the Catholic Church is the true Church......we aren't just some invisible entity. The Catholic Church IS, and always will be Christ's Church. Consider this very important passage: What did Jesus say to Peter right after He told him He would build His Church upon him? He said, "I WILL GIVE YOU (PETER) THE KEYS TO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. WHATEVER YOU BIND ON EARTH WILL BE BOUND IN HEAVEN. WHATEVER YOU LOOSE ON EARTH WILL BE LOOSED IN HEAVEN." Unorthodox Christian, if I gave you the keys to my car, IT'S STILL MY CAR!!!!! But since you now have the keys to my car, you can do whatever you want with it. BUT IT'S STILL MY CAR. This is the same with the Catholic Church. Please be a little more charitable in your posts. You saying I've denied the Holy Ghost is utter blasphemy. You have zero clue what's in my heart, and you should applaud the fact that the CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS BROUGHT ME INTO A FULLER UNION WITH CHRIST. Don't judge brother, don't judge.
 

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And by the way, everyone on here is basically acting as their own church since each person feels they can interpret scripture any way they want with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. You have the church of Kriss, the church of Pariah, the church of unorthodox Christian, the church of SuperJag, the Catholic Church (Goldy and Peacebewithyou), etc., etc., etc. Each person is claiming to have an infallible interpretation of scripture. As I've said said before on here numerous times: I'll take 2000 years of wisdom and understanding when it comes to my interpretation of scripture. If you want to claim that your interpretation is the right one, that's your decision. You might as well go off and start your own church since you just deemed yourself the pope of your own church (interpretation).
 

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Goldy you can spout that lie forever the only believers are fools there is no right church there are only right Christians you have some right teachings same as many churches and many wrong as most churches arrogance is not walking in the way of Christ frankly If I really cared about my church I would want to find where they had gone wrong and correct it so they would be blessed and looked upon by God as at least trying to please him but no like all religions of men you will just deny deny hide your head say your right, ONLY GODS WORD is right and it only says one thing and its not the catholics church is the right one. There are seven types of churches in Rev. they represent the seven types of churches that will exist at the End times (our Gen.) God was only pleased with two(Smyrna and Philadelphia) among other things they teach a simlar doctrine of "Jews who say they are Jews but are not".I seriously doubt that Catholic church has a clue what this about or meanstherefore Catholics by Gods Word is not one of the right teaching Church's and in fact falls somewhere in the other five.
 

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when Jesus says that the gates of hell will never prevail against my church he wasn't lying, but who do you think is the church he was talking about. according to the catholic theory, that the catholic church is the only church, what does that make the other protestant churches, hellbound. Does Jesus oly accept the catholic church. This is unscriptural, in the scriptures it says that anybody who proclaims jesus lord is saved. The saved our Jesus's church. Which means that when Jesus says that the flames of hell will never prevail against the church he is saying that the flames of hell will never prevail against christianity as a whole. God doesn't see christianity in religous clicks, he sees the world as people who are faithful to him. That is his church.another anti catholic teaching from your favorite catholic
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Ryan Fitzps. unorthodox christian, the catholic church does not believe that God is divided, the holy spirit is the father and the son, for God is three in one. this is what the catholic church believes, not that we have three seperate Gods. an article from the catholic catechism to back me up.The Trinity is One. We do not confess three Gods, but one God in three persons, the "consubstantial Trinity".83 The divine persons do not share the one divinity among themselves but each of them is God whole and entire: "The Father is that which the Son is, the Son that which the Father is, the Father and the Son that which the Holy Spirit is, i.e. by nature one God."84 In the words of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), "Each of the persons is that supreme reality, viz., the divine substance, essence or nature."85 nice try come again
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PSS Kriss, please don't call Goldy a liar, he is standing up for what he beliefs. he is not dealing in dishonesty but in complete honesty. he may be wrong but at least he has the courage to stand up for his church. For if we christians didn't stand up for what we think is true how would this religon ever survive.
 

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when Jesus says that the gates of hell will never prevail against my church he wasn't lying, but who do you think is the church he was talking about. according to the catholic theory, that the catholic church is the only church, what does that make the other protestant churches, hellbound. Does Jesus oly accept the catholic church. This is unscriptural, in the scriptures it says that anybody who proclaims jesus lord is saved. The saved our Jesus's church. Which means that when Jesus says that the flames of hell will never prevail against the church he is saying that the flames of hell will never prevail against christianity as a whole. God doesn't see christianity in religous clicks, he sees the world as people who are faithful to him. That is his church.another anti catholic teaching from your favorite catholic
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Ryan Fitzps. unorthodox christian, can you give me some kind of biblical backup for your ridiculous statement that the catholic doesn't believe in the holy ghost. actually any type of reliable back up will be fine. Just give us something before you start accusing us catholics.I don't mind you trying to correct us, but I do mind you making random accusations with absolutley no proof just to claim that we aren't christians.
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Thanks KrissI did heavily edit that last statement after Kriss quoted it.to Unorthodox christian if you skip Krisses quotation of me and go above it you will see the correct message. You did have biblical references so I completley changed my statementyour brother in christ Ryan Fitz
 

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You are right letsgofishing I appoligize Goldy if you feel I called you are liar but your words are not accurate
 

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May I add the fact that we are ALL liars? (Psalm 116:11) But we can not speak the Truth without the help of our Comforter...JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
 

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May I add the fact that we are ALL liars? (Psalm 116:11)But we can not speak the Truth without the help of our Comforter...JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
thanks for the pearl of wisdom jagPlease don't thank me, I don't deserve it. All wisdom cometh from God. So thank Him. I am only an unprofitable servant.You're welcome Ryan !JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
 

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PSS Kriss, please don't call Goldy a liar, she is standing up for what she beliefs. she is not dealing in dishonesty but in complete honesty. She may be wrong but at least she has the courage to stand up for her church. For if we christians didn't stand up for what we think is true how would this religon ever survive.
Godly is a "he" not a she.Peacebewithyou is a "she." Isn't it funny how we assume we know the gender of those posting?I thought Kriss was a he - but I've since learned Kriss is a she.Denver is a he (I assume?)I think both Superjag & unorthodox Christian are men. I thought Pariah was a "she" but I could be wrong. crooner of course is a "he." I'm always wondering what sort of fish that is?Not sure about SavedbyChrist - assume Tallman is a man - otherwise wouldn't it be Tallwoman? Whilwind - (?) is that the right name.. not sure either? Sorry - this is totally off topic. ...
 

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personally, I believe homosexuality is wrong, but a homosexual is just a person who has sinned and made a mistake in their life.Christ does not call us to be judge, jury, and executioner (Romans 12:19) but to love one another (John 13:34) and pray for those sinners (1 Timothy 2:1-4, 8) so that they may live eternally with Christ our Lord (John 3:16)