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Letsgofishing

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Jeez I knew goldy was a he.he personally told me for my defense His name definitley doesn't apply itsorry goldy
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Ryan, if I include a denomination, I cannot say some, I will speak in general. Just like how I address the other denominations, since they are brethren who divide themselves from the Body of Christ, which is One, not different denominations and sects, I include them with Me. I cannot separate one brother from Me, but I am one with Him in the sense that we are both of the Body of Christ. With that said, that's why I generalize the Catholic Church, the GENERAL consensus would tell you that either Mary is sinless, the RCC is infallible, and the Pope is Supreme. You are one of the few Catholics that I've read from that seems like they have the Holy Ghost.I will not judge, but I will correct if it's against the Word of God. 2nd Timothy 3:16. When I point out to the Pentecostals, I have to include myself. Baptists, methodists, other denominations, I include with myself. When you see me make a reference to, the church today is in bad shape, I'm included with them. Although the Lord sees our individual devotion, He looks at the Body of Christ(Called out or Church People) just like how he looked at Israel. You may have a couple that do well in his eyes, but if the majority is doing bad, they are all coupled.God I'm glad to come across a Catholic Like you! Brings Joy to my heart and almost into tears. I've longed for the Day I seen a Catholic speak godly Sense, not worldly logic. God Bless you Ryan-Your Brother Shlomo(Hebrew)
 

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Ryan, if I include a denomination, I cannot say some, I will speak in general. Just like how I address the other denominations, since they are brethren who divide themselves from the Body of Christ, which is One, not different denominations and sects, I include them with Me. I cannot separate one brother from Me, but I am one with Him in the sense that we are both of the Body of Christ. With that said, that's why I generalize the Catholic Church, the GENERAL consensus would tell you that either Mary is sinless, the RCC is infallible, and the Pope is Supreme. You are one of the few Catholics that I've read from that seems like they have the Holy Ghost.I will not judge, but I will correct if it's against the Word of God. 2nd Timothy 3:16. When I point out to the Pentecostals, I have to include myself. Baptists, methodists, other denominations, I include with myself. When you see me make a reference to, the church today is in bad shape, I'm included with them. Although the Lord sees our individual devotion, He looks at the Body of Christ(Called out or Church People) just like how he looked at Israel. You may have a couple that do well in his eyes, but if the majority is doing bad, they are all coupled.God I'm glad to come across a Catholic Like you! Brings Joy to my heart and almost into tears. I've longed for the Day I seen a Catholic speak godly Sense, not worldly logic. God Bless you Ryan-Your Brother Shlomo(Hebrew)
This post makes me chuckle. This is not a knock on our dear friend Ryan, but a very large percentage of his views and theology are quite different from true Catholic teaching. Maybe that's why people on here like the guy so much. Sorry to call you out Ryan, but it is what it is. I do appreciate you sticking up for me on a lot of your posts, and I think your heart is in the right place.
 

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RyanYour doing an exellent job. I grew up in SDA church and eventually I studied my way out of that church. Real Christians only want the truth, even when it hurts.The fish is a sheephead!
 

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This post makes me chuckle. This is not a knock on our dear friend Ryan, but a very large percentage of his views and theology are quite different from true Catholic teaching. Maybe that's why people on here like the guy so much. Sorry to call you out Ryan, but it is what it is. I do appreciate you sticking up for me on a lot of your posts, and I think your heart is in the right place.
Uh...Yeah you realize that
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I am not a catholic , I believe in many catholic ideas, I believe in the eucharist( love the eucharist) , praying to the saints, the sinlessness of Mary,, ect. ect. ect.But I am not afraid to call the church wrong( and the teaching that they are the only church is wrong), and I am not foolish enough to believe that they are not wrong on some points. I am also not afraid to spout some of my very anti - catholic theories. I could call myself a catholic, but I will not take my catholic practices above my christianity and above christ.I am a christian, I will not blindly follow the teachings of a organization without proof.your brother in christRyan Fitz
 

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And by the way, everyone on here is basically acting as their own church since each person feels they can interpret scripture any way they want with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. You have the church of Kriss, the church of Pariah, the church of unorthodox Christian, the church of SuperJag, the Catholic Church (Goldy and Peacebewithyou), etc., etc., etc. Each person is claiming to have an infallible interpretation of scripture. As I've said said before on here numerous times: I'll take 2000 years of wisdom and understanding when it comes to my interpretation of scripture. If you want to claim that your interpretation is the right one, that's your decision. You might as well go off and start your own church since you just deemed yourself the pope of your own church (interpretation).Reply With Quote
All you are saying is that you trust someone elses interpretation more than you trust your own. That's fine I take nothing away from you for that. The bible is in lots of different languages so we can read it for ourselves and gain insight for ourselves, if we want. No one owns all the wisdom in the bible except God.
 

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Uh...Yeah you realize thatI am not a catholic , I believe in many catholic ideas, I believe in the eucharist( love the eucharist) , praying to the saints, the sinlessness of Mary,, ect. ect. ect.But I am not afraid to call the church wrong( and the teaching that they are the only church is wrong), and I am not foolish enough to believe that they are not wrong on some points. I am also not afraid to spout some of my very anti - catholic theories. I could call myself a catholic, but I will not take my catholic practices above my christianity and above christ.I am a christian, I will not blindly follow the teachings of a organization without proof.
I've tried to stay out of this thread since my innitial posts at the beginning. I thought the set up was pretty ingenious, but I don't need to get myself into more trouble here.
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Also, I became confident that the people involved would defend their positions well enough.I must say, I agree with Letsgofishing here, at least partially. I don't agree with the Eucharist, but I certainly don't exclude the possibility. I know many protestants who have begun to believe in Gold Dust, and see it as feasible, all while arguing that the Eucharist is ridiculous.
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I mostly agree with Catholicism, at least with many things. Perhaps I'm a little agnostic about certain doctrines such as the understanding of Satan given the fourth Lateran council, and the Kabbahlistic proposition, which seems much more promising as far as Theodicy is concerned. I also perhaps disagree with the communion of the saints, but that is because of how I imagine the whole dying business to work.However, I agree with the Catholic approach to scripture. Surely it is imperative to submit some level of faith in the Church in order to accept the Canon they construct as authoritative. If we do not accept their authority, then the Canon is equally in question.(goldy;27348)
This post makes me chuckle. This is not a knock on our dear friend Ryan, but a very large percentage of his views and theology are quite different from true Catholic teaching. Maybe that's why people on here like the guy so much.
hehe.. didn't work for me
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I've made my position clear already; adhering to authority, once authority is established and recognized, is noble, religious, and righteous. I disagree that being accountable, and making our teachings accountable, to that authority, should mean to surrender our right to properly reason and question effectively. Many devout Catholics disagree about a great many things. That's just fine. However, where a Catholic finds themselves in serious disagreement with the Catechism, then they are not properly Catholic any longer.I don't mind coming in the face of convention for the sake of truth. However, I do mind the arrogance of proclaiming what one believes to be truth without subjecting it to open criticism and intellectual and philosophical inquiry.That said, I have found that time and again the Catholic Catechism contains reasonable and true doctrines. Internally coherent, and philosophically and intellectually defensible.May I propose the real question here is not the 'place and purpose' authority has for the Church, but rather what that authority is meant for, and ultimately who the office belongs to {or rather, how we can decide who it belongs to}.{lurks away again}
 

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I think we need to observe the arguments and decide which one makes more sense. Personally, experience and a lot of debate has led to me believing that Homosexuality is wrong. However, debating it openly certainly opens ones eyes to the different approaches people have for either conclusion. Let's not demonize people who don't agree with us. Let's debate it openly and honestly.Those are just my thoughts.
How come you don't have Bible Scriptures here? And how can you say about this issue:" I think... " and YOUR debates and YOUR experience. Even you believe homosexuality is wrong. But YOUR thoughts, words and YOUR debates????
 

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I'm going to make a mountain out of a molehill here and point out two points.1.Thunder I believe there are two ways of shaping a good christian belief Holy scriptures and God guided spiritual experience.I gained much of my faith through the latter. For God does not limit himself through ink and paper but includes himself through our live.For example There was once a period where I question the validity of praying to the saints. and then the amazing happened I saw a vison of two saints ( saint Peter, and Mary) I dboubted the eucharist, until one mass I saw the wine change colors ( purple to red) before my eyes.I believed God was an angry God until he actually talked to me and showed me otherwhise.Therefore Tyrels opinons are certainly welcomed here, as long as they are either inspired By God, Or Tyrel trying to find God. For all are part of God revealing himself to Tyrel2. Second Tyrel is a different type of christian. He doesn't look for God in quite the same ways we do, in blind faith of scriptures. He looks for God logically. I personally love it, even though it is not the best way. your brother in christRyan Fitz
 

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Oh and before anybody jumps on methe personal revelations obviously has to be backed up and supported completley by the bible
 

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I'm going to make a mountain out of a molehill here and point out two points.1.Thunder I believe there are two ways of shaping a good christian belief Holy scriptures and God guided spiritual experience.I gained much of my faith through the latter. For God does not limit himself through ink and paper but includes himself through our live.For example There was once a period where I question the validity of praying to the saints. and then the amazing happened I saw a vison of two saints ( saint Peter, and Mary) I dboubted the eucharist, until one mass I saw the wine change colors ( purple to red) before my eyes.I believed God was an angry God until he actually talked to me and showed me otherwhise.Therefore Tyrels opinons are certainly welcomed here, as long as they are either inspired By God, Or Tyrel trying to find God. For all are part of God revealing himself to Tyrel2. Second Tyrel is a different type of christian. He doesn't look for God in quite the same ways we do, in blind faith of scriptures. He looks for God logically. I personally love it, even though it is not the best way. your brother in christRyan Fitz
Except for the fact that the eucharist and the sinless of Mary is 100% unbiblical. The only person who changed water into wine is Yahshua Himself. As for Tyrel, he does disagree with lots scriptures.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and SAviour of the world.
 

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thats where you and me hold are differences, because I believe the Eucharist and prayer to saints is 100% biblical and have the scriptures to back them up which I have shown many times before. I do not believe in the sinlessness of Mary even though the belief is based on scripture.its just I think The catholic church is stretching the truth of the scriptures a little to much for it to be undoubtedly true. God bless you Jag the truths you know after less than a year is incredible. May God both bless us both with continuing that same growth. your brother in ChristRyan Fitz
 

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thats where you and me hold are differences, because I believe the Eucharist and prayer to saints is 100% biblical and have the scriptures to back them up which I have shown many times before. I do not believe in the sinlessness of Mary even though the belief is based on scripture.its just I think The catholic church is stretching the truth of the scriptures a little to much for it to be undoubtedly true. God bless you Jag the truths you know after less than a year is incredible. May God both bless us both with continuing that same growth. your brother in ChristRyan Fitz
Even though we both agree that Mary is sinless is 100% wrong. But to say it is biblical is completely deceiving. There is no chance in life where one can be sinful and then later in life become sinless. Once we sinned, we stay being sinful. Although our Heavenly Father can forgive us.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
 

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Jag I say that the Mary being sinless is somewhat biblical because of the two scriptures the catholic church bases it off of.1. And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel." ( gen 3:15)recognize the verse, the exact same verse you use to justify the serpent seed the catholic church uses to justify Mary being sinless. The catholic church believes that the woman is mary, not eve. And for there to be enemity between Satan and Mary the catholic church believes that Mary would have to be sinless.26When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, "Dear woman, here is your son ( John 19:26)4"Dear woman, why do you involve me?" Jesus replied, "My time has not yet come." ( John 2:4)Two times Jesus calls his mother Women. could he be backing up the prophecy.reason number 2.Ive explained this in detail before, but I'll go over it agan briefly. 1:28. And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among womenGrace means set apart. I think there stretching it, There really isn't enough evidence for me to say she is sinless so I'm not going to risk it.but it is somewhat biblicalyour brother in christRyan Fitz
 

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Jag I say that the Mary being sinless is somewhat biblical because of the two scriptures the catholic church bases it off of.1. And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel." ( gen 3:15)recognize the verse, the exact same verse you use to justify the serpent seed the catholic church uses to justify Mary being sinless. The catholic church believes that the woman is mary, not eve. And for there to be enemity between Satan and Mary the catholic church believes that Mary would have to be sinless.26When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, "Dear woman, here is your son ( John 19:26)4"Dear woman, why do you involve me?" Jesus replied, "My time has not yet come." ( John 2:4)Two times Jesus calls his mother Women. could he be backing up the prophecy.reason number 2.Ive explained this in detail before, but I'll go over it agan briefly. 1:28. And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among womenGrace means set apart. I think there stretching it, There really isn't enough evidence for me to say she is sinless so I'm not going to risk it.but it is somewhat biblicalyour brother in christRyan Fitz
To believe that Mary is sinless being biblical. It downgrades Christ and ruins the whole meaning of the spotless Lamb of God, the sinless Christ.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
 

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Topic: HomosexualityThere are Christians out there who feel that homosexuality is perfectly fine..
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In that case they're not Christians..
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And if it's fine, why did God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah?
 

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Ha ha ha..
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In that case they're not Christians..
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And if it's fine, why did God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah?
are you sureThink about what you just said who Gave you the authority to kick your brother/sister out of the kingdom of heaven.where in the bible does it say that people who except homosexuality cannot be part of the body of christ.Now if they knew the truth and didn't accept it of course there not.But if there mistaken, and try to live thier lives by Jesus Christ, there definitley my brother/sister.your brother in christRyan Fitz
 

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If homosexuals repent and turn away from they sin and accept Jesus Christ as their Saviour. Then they are Christians.
 

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you are right Thunder 1, but the bible also teaches us "what does light see in darkness." so until they change and repent, we are not to associate, that does not mean JUDGE, it means being in different circles of friends. and keep praying for their deliverance
 

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Ha ha ha..
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In that case they're not Christians..
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I have to agree. Anyone who calls sin OK is not born again. Born again means to have a change of mind and calling sin what it is--SIN.