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And Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Titus 2:13 and we all say Jesus come quickly and He says yes I come Quickly.
 

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Congratulations, you spelled it all correctly!
Now just show me exactly where the Bible says living people will be raptured to heaven. [other that the two witnesses, Rev 11:12 and even they were killed]
 

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I asked who is> I may not be able to spell but I see you can not read! sorry discern very well.
 

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And For the Lord Himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first
 

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And Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.…And we all say AMEN!
 

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The Scriptures say, "Prove all things, and hold fast to that which is good." 1 Thessalonians 5:21
To me, that includes the doctrine of a pre Tribulation Rapture.
 

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And Evangelical bookstores typically feature many writers who hate the doctrine of an imminent Rapture of the saints, in spite of the fact that it is plainly described in Paul’s writings and the early saints were living in expectation of it.

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord” (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17).

“Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh” (Matthew 24:44).

“For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God; And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come” (1 Thessalonians 1:9-10).

James and Peter and John also taught that the Lord’s coming is at hand.

“Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door” (Jam. 5:9).

“But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer” (1 Pet. 4:7).

“Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand” (Rev. 1:3).

In contrast, consider the following heretical statements against the imminent return of Christ:

Tony Campolo hates dispensationalism and rejects the doctrine of Christ’s imminent return. He calls it “a weird little form of fundamentalism.” Speaking at the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship’s annual meeting in June 2003, Campolo said: “That whole sense of the rapture, which may occur at any moment, is used as a device to oppose engagement with the principalities, the powers, the political and economic structures of our age” (“Opposition to women preachers evidence of demonic influence,” Baptist Press, June 27, 2003).

Brian McLaren mocks the “fundamentalist expectations” of a literal second coming of Christ with its attendant judgments on the world and assumes that the world will go on like it is for hundreds of thousands of years (A Generous Orthodoxy, p. 305). He calls the literal, imminent return of Christ “pop-Evangelical eschatology” (Generous Orthodoxy, p. 267) and the “eschatology of abandonment” (interview with Planet Preterist, Jan. 30, 2005, http://planetpreterist.com/news-2774.html).McLaren says that the book of Revelation is not a “book about the distant future” but is “a way of talking about the challenges of the immediate present” ( The Secret Message of Jesus, 2007, p. 176).

Mark Driscoll mocks the idea of a Rapture for believers and a one-world government with an Anti-christ who makes people wear a mark to buy, sell or trade (Confessions of a Reformissional, pp. 49-50). He adds that this kind of end-time “mission” is not a message from Jesus but rather one “concocted from a cunning Serpent” (“Mark Driscoll Rejects McLaren but Embraces Contemplative,” Jan. 11, 2008, http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/index.php?p=931&more=1&c=1).Driscoll mocks the imminent Rapture . He claims that the Rapture doctrine is evidence of the sickness of American Christians and mocks those who have the goal of leaving “this trailer park of a planet before God’s tornado touches down on all the sinners” (The Radical Reformission, p. 78). He libelously calls dispensationalists “nutty, Christian, end-times-prophecy Kaczynskis” (p. 165). [Ted Kaczynski was the “Unabomber” terrorist who murdered three people and maimed 23 others in his 18-year-long campaign against modern technology.]

Dan Kimball describes how that he rejected dispensational theology and the doctrine of an imminent Rapture and moved to his current position that “the kingdom of God is here, now” (Listening to the Beliefs of Emerging Churches, pp. 87-90, 102).

Ed Stetzer says it is wrong to worry about whether the Rapture is imminent. “When the disciples had an inordinate interest in the end times, much like we do today in North America among evangelicals, Jesus said, ‘Do not get focused on that’” (Breaking the Missional Code, p. 40). Stetzer is referring to Acts 1:6-8. Jesus was not talking about the timing of the Rapture but about the coming of the kingdom of God. The disciples were expecting the kingdom to be set up immediately, but Jesus told them to focus rather on preaching the gospel and leave the coming of the kingdom to Him. This passage corrects the emerging church doctrine that we are building the kingdom of God in the world today, but it does not support the idea that we shouldn’t be concerned about the imminent return of Christ.

The rejection of the imminent Rapture is not a light matter.
 

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It's just my personal belief. There may be members here who do advocate this theology but It's just not for me. I prefer to stick to the Apostles teachings...Bless ya!
 

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And The Rapture of the Church is a two phase event. God in His loving kindness and mercy has always worked in 3 phases before He hands down His judgment.

1. God always gives a WARNING before judgment

2. God then REMOVES His people

3. God then reigns down his judgment

These 3 things can be found in Luke 17:26-36 when He judged the world in Noah's day and His judgment on Sodom & Gomorra.

You'll also see from these passages that prior to His judgment, everybody was going about their NORMAL way of daily life and so it shall be when He sends His son back in the clouds to bring home His bride
 

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Shalom, blessedhope.

blessedhope said:
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The Scriptures say, "Prove all things, and hold fast to that which is good." 1 Thessalonians 5:21
To me, that includes the doctrine of a pre Tribulation Rapture.
The "blessed hope" IS INDEED the return of our Master (Lord), Yeshua` the Messiah (Jesus the Christ). However, the "rapture" is NOT a "leaving this world to go to 'Heaven.'" It is a method of transportation that takes us from wherever we are on this planet and takes us to the Middle East "to meet the Lord in the air."
I believe that it's hard to have a "pretribulational Rapture" when we're already IN the "tribulation!" The "tribulation," even the "great tribulation," that Yeshua` talked about in Matthew 24 & 25, Mark 13, and Luke 21 already started in the first century A.D.

Again, it's really very simple. If one looks at the Greek of each of these passages, they will find out that ALL THREE accounts from the SYNOPTIC Gospels speak of the same events. Furthermore, all one has to do is look for the contextual clues, the "ye," "you," and "your" pronouns (in English) that equate to the "autoi, autoon, autois, autous" pronouns in Greek, and the "-te" and "-the" endings of the Greek verbs, to know when Yeshua` was speaking directly to His disciples standing or sitting around Him on Har HaZeitiym (the Mount of Olives) that day. When He talked about other things or events in the future, He would no longer use those pronouns.

So, when He spoke directly to His disciples about events that they themselves would experience, He was talking about the first century A.D. When He talked about other events in the future, He was talking about events that could also be in our future, such as our Lord's Return.

Thus, when Yeshua` said,

Matthew 24:9-28
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles (vultures; carrion birds) be gathered together.
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verse 9 is Yeshua` talking about the first century, but in verses 10-14 He projects off into the future.
In verses 15 to 21, Yeshua` pops back to His present time and talks directly to His disciples, warning them of events soon to come.
Then, in verses 21 and 22, He again projects off into the future.
Then, in verse 23 He pops back to them for a moment and peers off into the future again in verse 24.
In verses 25-28, He is back to the present talking right at His disciples again with a brief comparison to the future in verse 27.

That's the nature of His discourse.

So, when Yeshua` talks about the "tribulation" in verse 21, that "tribulation" began in the first century and has continued ever since! The shortening of the days of tribulation mentioned in verse 22 is talking about the shortening of the number of days of persecution during that time period, making it possible to look at the various flare-ups as individual persecutions, inquisitions, pogroms, conflagrations, and even a period known as the "Holocaust." However, ALL these days came upon the children of Israel, of whom the disciples were part, because of their rejection of the Messiah.

He shall return when the children of Israel, particularly the Jews, can say, "Welcome, Comer on the authority of YAH," which is what "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD" means. The Hebrew phrase that was quoted is found in Psalm 118:26, "Baruwkh haba' b'shem YHWH." (Matthew 23:37-39)