This is not the abomination of desolation God allowed this when he scattered the Jewsand allowed the arabs to control the land we do not even know if the Dome is over the holie of holies and this abomination has to be in the middle of the week (Dan. 70th week) In Daniel 9:27 it continues thousands of years later, following the period we call the gap, or Church age. This is the one week of years God set aside to draw His people, called the Jews, back to himself. "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."Halfway into the period, three and a half years, the Antichrist reveals his true colors, and Satan then turns on the Jews. He stops sacrifices and oblations, and brings the abomination to the temple. Then hatred, wrath and killing will be poured out on the nation of Israel. The thing that makes these four verses, Daniel 9:24-27 so important to Christians, and Bible prophecy, is that it identifies the time of the age of Christ's church on earth. The two important things to remember here is that the sacrifices and the oblation will cease, this is the communion, and the Passover feast offerings, and that is because the entire world, including Christians, will believe that Christ has returned to earth. They will believe that the Antichrist is the Messiah.The second thing is that abomination that is to take place in Jerusalem, is when the Antichrist, Satan, shall stand in the temple and claim himself to be the true Christ.Daniel 9:26 "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for Himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."Daniel 9:27 "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."In the translation, "the desolate", it is a person, and should be translated "desolator". That desolator is the Antichrist. and is Satan himself. It is not a king in Europe, or the middle east, for Satan is the "star" that fell to the earth in Revelation 9:1, and he will be given the key, or the authority to the bottomless pit.
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The fact that the antichrist will come in the future is unbiblical. "This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. " ( 1 john 4 verse 3)If the antichrist is a human being tell me one person who has lived 2,000 years. nobody therefore it has to be some kind of political nation or religous power. not a personand only one kindgdom has lasted since then, the kingdom of Rome( in the version of the rcc) who will turn corrupt in the future be the first beast. .your brother in christ Ryan Fitz
amen! Kriss do you believe Satan is Omnipresent? Since you believe his Body is in Heaven and his Spirit is within the Earth. Then Michael should also have a flesh Body along side his Theophany(Angel Form). Satan is here now waiting for the Right moment. THE REASON HE CANNOT FULLY INCARNATE HIMSELF INTO FLESH IS BECAUSE THE HOLY SPIRIT IS HOLDING HIM BACK! 2nd Thessalonians 2:7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.Bold Emphasis Mine, the only thing that's holding satan back now is The Holy Ghost. The Names on the Book of Life have not been completed or converted yet. His Bride has not fully come into completion. The Moment when all the names of those in the Book of Life and the Bride come into Completion, The Holy Ghost will no longer be upon this earth, but within us. Then the Falling away happens. SATAN IS HERE! HE HAS NO BODY LIKE YOU CLAIM, BUT JUST A SPIRIT, THAT WILL INCARNATE INTO THE HUMAN ANTI-CHRIST!It even says that the Holy Ghost, when let out of the Way, will allow Satan to rule. This is what makes me a Pre-Trib rapture believer, SOMETIMES, because Satan cannot incarnate himself until the Holy Ghost is let out of the Way. Let us Reason and not argue. THE SPIRIT OF ANTI-CHRIST(SATAN) IS ALREADY HERE, REVELATION 12 has happened! Now all that's left is the removal of Ruach Hakodesh(Holy Spirit), then comes the falling away and the son of perdition rules.
(Letsgofishing;27356)
The fact that the antichrist will come in the future is unbiblical. "This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. " ( 1 john 4 verse 3)If the antichrist is a human being tell me one person who has lived 2,000 years. nobody therefore it has to be some kind of political nation or religous power. not a personand only one kindgdom has lasted since then, the kingdom of Rome( in the version of the rcc) who will turn corrupt in the future be the first beast. .your brother in christ Ryan Fitz
That's a downright lie. How are we to explain Revelation 20:3, Revelation 20:7-10?And who said Satan is a human being? He is a fallen archangel that will come to be claiming to be Christ. Angels are not flesh, but they can transfigure themselves when flesh can see.(Unorthodox Christian;27363)
amen! Kriss do you believe Satan is Omnipresent? Since you believe his Body is in Heaven and his Spirit is within the Earth. Then Michael should also have a flesh Body along side his Theophany(Angel Form). Satan is here now waiting for the Right moment. THE REASON HE CANNOT FULLY INCARNATE HIMSELF INTO FLESH IS BECAUSE THE HOLY SPIRIT IS HOLDING HIM BACK! 2nd Thessalonians 2:7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.Bold Emphasis Mine, the only thing that's holding satan back now is The Holy Ghost. The Names on the Book of Life have not been completed or converted yet. His Bride has not fully come into completion. The Moment when all the names of those in the Book of Life and the Bride come into Completion, The Holy Ghost will no longer be upon this earth, but within us. Then the Falling away happens. SATAN IS HERE! HE HAS NO BODY LIKE YOU CLAIM, BUT JUST A SPIRIT, THAT WILL INCARNATE INTO THE HUMAN ANTI-CHRIST!It even says that the Holy Ghost, when let out of the Way, will allow Satan to rule. This is what makes me a Pre-Trib rapture believer, SOMETIMES, because Satan cannot incarnate himself until the Holy Ghost is let out of the Way. Let us Reason and not argue. THE SPIRIT OF ANTI-CHRIST(SATAN) IS ALREADY HERE, REVELATION 12 has happened! Now all that's left is the removal of Ruach Hakodesh(Holy Spirit), then comes the falling away and the son of perdition rules.
Wow, you've changed...There is no Pre-Tribulation Rapture... Who's coming after the Tribulation...Matthew 24:29-30 - Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.Notice the captial W in II Thessalonians 2:8Jag
The fact that the antichrist will come in the future is unbiblical. "This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. " ( 1 john 4 verse 3)If the antichrist is a human being tell me one person who has lived 2,000 years. nobody therefore it has to be some kind of political nation or religous power. not a personand only one kindgdom has lasted since then, the kingdom of Rome( in the version of the rcc) who will turn corrupt in the future be the first beast. .your brother in christ Ryan Fitz
That's a downright lie. How are we to explain Revelation 20:3, Revelation 20:7-10?And who said Satan is a human being? He is a fallen archangel that will come to be claiming to be Christ. Angels are not flesh, but they can transfigure themselves when flesh can see.(Unorthodox Christian;27363)
amen! Kriss do you believe Satan is Omnipresent? Since you believe his Body is in Heaven and his Spirit is within the Earth. Then Michael should also have a flesh Body along side his Theophany(Angel Form). Satan is here now waiting for the Right moment. THE REASON HE CANNOT FULLY INCARNATE HIMSELF INTO FLESH IS BECAUSE THE HOLY SPIRIT IS HOLDING HIM BACK! 2nd Thessalonians 2:7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.Bold Emphasis Mine, the only thing that's holding satan back now is The Holy Ghost. The Names on the Book of Life have not been completed or converted yet. His Bride has not fully come into completion. The Moment when all the names of those in the Book of Life and the Bride come into Completion, The Holy Ghost will no longer be upon this earth, but within us. Then the Falling away happens. SATAN IS HERE! HE HAS NO BODY LIKE YOU CLAIM, BUT JUST A SPIRIT, THAT WILL INCARNATE INTO THE HUMAN ANTI-CHRIST!It even says that the Holy Ghost, when let out of the Way, will allow Satan to rule. This is what makes me a Pre-Trib rapture believer, SOMETIMES, because Satan cannot incarnate himself until the Holy Ghost is let out of the Way. Let us Reason and not argue. THE SPIRIT OF ANTI-CHRIST(SATAN) IS ALREADY HERE, REVELATION 12 has happened! Now all that's left is the removal of Ruach Hakodesh(Holy Spirit), then comes the falling away and the son of perdition rules.
Wow, you've changed...There is no Pre-Tribulation Rapture... Who's coming after the Tribulation...Matthew 24:29-30 - Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.Notice the captial W in II Thessalonians 2:8Jag
what do you mean changed? (ME)
his is what makes me a Pre-Trib rapture believer, SOMETIMES,
Sometimes! Cause everyone will not humble themselves and say I don't really know the Truth. I still need revelation from the Lord. I won't accept what you and kriss will just tell me. I know the events to come, Matthew 24, the 516,and 7th Trump, don't think I'm fooled. Some of you speed read without slowly doing, WHICH IS WHY I SAID SOMETIMES jag. Is this a Salvation issue, no, but like i SAID sometimes. But I don't believe Satan has a body and Spirit, cause if that were the case he is omnipresent, and Only God is. Satan's Incarnation is being held back by the Holy Ghost, and when he removes his Spirit, it will be only in his Elect, his 144,000, and his Bride. The Mark of God, which will shine. And it will shine so bright that The Anti-Christ will see it and will come after us.Man, people, no offense, but before you criticizes please read ALL of the contexts of my posts.God Bless HaShem Y'shua HaMashiach
his is what makes me a Pre-Trib rapture believer, SOMETIMES,
Sometimes! Cause everyone will not humble themselves and say I don't really know the Truth. I still need revelation from the Lord. I won't accept what you and kriss will just tell me. I know the events to come, Matthew 24, the 516,and 7th Trump, don't think I'm fooled. Some of you speed read without slowly doing, WHICH IS WHY I SAID SOMETIMES jag. Is this a Salvation issue, no, but like i SAID sometimes. But I don't believe Satan has a body and Spirit, cause if that were the case he is omnipresent, and Only God is. Satan's Incarnation is being held back by the Holy Ghost, and when he removes his Spirit, it will be only in his Elect, his 144,000, and his Bride. The Mark of God, which will shine. And it will shine so bright that The Anti-Christ will see it and will come after us.Man, people, no offense, but before you criticizes please read ALL of the contexts of my posts.God Bless HaShem Y'shua HaMashiach
(Unorthodox Christian;27367)
what do you mean changed? Sometimes! Cause everyone will not humble themselves and say I don't really know the Truth. I still need revelation from the Lord. I won't accept what you and kriss will just tell me. I know the events to come, Matthew 24, the 516,and 7th Trump, don't think I'm fooled. Some of you speed read without slowly doing, WHICH IS WHY I SAID SOMETIMES jag. Is this a Salvation issue, no, but like i SAID sometimes. But I don't believe Satan has a body and Spirit, cause if that were the case he is omnipresent, and Only God is. Satan's Incarnation is being held back by the Holy Ghost, and when he removes his Spirit, it will be only in his Elect, his 144,000, and his Bride. The Mark of God, which will shine. And it will shine so bright that The Anti-Christ will see it and will come after us.Man, people, no offense, but before you criticizes please read ALL of the contexts of my posts.God Bless HaShem Y'shua HaMashiach
I'm sorry that you feel that way...I am completely humbled in my posts and my studying. To be clearly put...I am dead without the Lord, but I will stick with the Lord who giveth Life, as He quickeneth us. I am humbled to say Truth, and I will not depart from what I know. But I can't say Truth of what I don't know.I Corinthians 15:40 - There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another....I Corinthians 15:44 - It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.Lovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
what do you mean changed? Sometimes! Cause everyone will not humble themselves and say I don't really know the Truth. I still need revelation from the Lord. I won't accept what you and kriss will just tell me. I know the events to come, Matthew 24, the 516,and 7th Trump, don't think I'm fooled. Some of you speed read without slowly doing, WHICH IS WHY I SAID SOMETIMES jag. Is this a Salvation issue, no, but like i SAID sometimes. But I don't believe Satan has a body and Spirit, cause if that were the case he is omnipresent, and Only God is. Satan's Incarnation is being held back by the Holy Ghost, and when he removes his Spirit, it will be only in his Elect, his 144,000, and his Bride. The Mark of God, which will shine. And it will shine so bright that The Anti-Christ will see it and will come after us.Man, people, no offense, but before you criticizes please read ALL of the contexts of my posts.God Bless HaShem Y'shua HaMashiach
I'm sorry that you feel that way...I am completely humbled in my posts and my studying. To be clearly put...I am dead without the Lord, but I will stick with the Lord who giveth Life, as He quickeneth us. I am humbled to say Truth, and I will not depart from what I know. But I can't say Truth of what I don't know.I Corinthians 15:40 - There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another....I Corinthians 15:44 - It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.Lovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
What are you missing Unorthodox Satan is an arch angel the Most High the anointed Cherb the full pattern he he was the most beatiful, knowagable,powerful angel ever created God gave him everything "How have you fallen oh Lucifer" even God asks the question.Do you not remember . How many times are we told angels take the form of men??? They walk they talk they eat they wrestle with humans many times they are not reconized as Angels that appear as men. Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. How do you figure that Antichrist is unbiblical its the whole end time story what does pre rapture have to do with anything??? What part of Conquered on the cross dont you get ??? It was Christ who made it possable for Satan to be restrained by Michael until a time appointed by God to bring his children back to him by testing us only those who are non believers or follow antichrist need worry God will protect his own. Psa 37:39 But the salvation of the righteous [is] of the LORD: [he is] their strength in the time of trouble.Everyone has to chose what side you are on. Woe to earth for the devil has come down to you.[url="http://www.christianityboard.com/know-thy-enemy-t4833.html]http://www.christianityboard.com/know-thy-enemy-t4833.html[/url]
(kriss;27327)
The first beast is not Satan as you say because it the one world system Satan is the 2nd beast Satan has NOT been able to walk to and fro upon the earth sense Christ died upon the cross and for all intensive purpose conquered death who is Satan he is currently physically held by Michael until there is war in heaven and he is kicked out Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, [ye] heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man [child]. the Antichrist is Satan himself No man even a possessed man doing these things it would be obvious to everyone the whole world would never be fooled The whole world will not follow a man a man cannot create a great delusion a man cannot heal the deadly wound This is Satan disguised as an Angel of Light claiming to be christonly the fake return of a fake christ fit all criteria of the AntichristLook at the words in this verse2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong (1753) delusion, that they should believe a lie Strong greek word "energeia"a) in the NT used only of superhuman power, whether of God or of the Devil
The apostle Peter wrote this verse long after Christ died:1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: According to that scripture, Satan, the devil, was walking about looking for people to destroy, long after Jesus died. He is still walking about doing that.Jesus said that false Christs and false prophets would work great signs and wonders to deceive:Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.It looks to me like Satan and some of his devels, in Rev. 12, went back up to heaven to accuse some more of the righteous people, like he did in Job, and there was a war and Michael cast Satan and his devils out of heaven and won't let them go back up there to accuse the Christians anymore. When Satan sees that he is not allowed back in heaven, he is going to be angry. Then he is going to use the antichrist (man) who he controls to persecute Jews and Christians for the next 3.5 years till the end when Jesus comes back. [Strong's and vines concordances use the corrupted Alexandrian Greek, from the corrupted Alexandrian texts, vaticanus, and sinaiticus which are used in the corrupted modern bible versions. 5% of the Greek in Strong's concordance is not the right Greek. (I got that information from a KJV only website.) The King James bible is the right translation of the right greek from the textus receptus text. If you use the KJV, you don't need to know the Greek. The KJV has it right already.]
The first beast is not Satan as you say because it the one world system Satan is the 2nd beast Satan has NOT been able to walk to and fro upon the earth sense Christ died upon the cross and for all intensive purpose conquered death who is Satan he is currently physically held by Michael until there is war in heaven and he is kicked out Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, [ye] heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man [child]. the Antichrist is Satan himself No man even a possessed man doing these things it would be obvious to everyone the whole world would never be fooled The whole world will not follow a man a man cannot create a great delusion a man cannot heal the deadly wound This is Satan disguised as an Angel of Light claiming to be christonly the fake return of a fake christ fit all criteria of the AntichristLook at the words in this verse2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong (1753) delusion, that they should believe a lie Strong greek word "energeia"a) in the NT used only of superhuman power, whether of God or of the Devil
The apostle Peter wrote this verse long after Christ died:1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: According to that scripture, Satan, the devil, was walking about looking for people to destroy, long after Jesus died. He is still walking about doing that.Jesus said that false Christs and false prophets would work great signs and wonders to deceive:Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.It looks to me like Satan and some of his devels, in Rev. 12, went back up to heaven to accuse some more of the righteous people, like he did in Job, and there was a war and Michael cast Satan and his devils out of heaven and won't let them go back up there to accuse the Christians anymore. When Satan sees that he is not allowed back in heaven, he is going to be angry. Then he is going to use the antichrist (man) who he controls to persecute Jews and Christians for the next 3.5 years till the end when Jesus comes back. [Strong's and vines concordances use the corrupted Alexandrian Greek, from the corrupted Alexandrian texts, vaticanus, and sinaiticus which are used in the corrupted modern bible versions. 5% of the Greek in Strong's concordance is not the right Greek. (I got that information from a KJV only website.) The King James bible is the right translation of the right greek from the textus receptus text. If you use the KJV, you don't need to know the Greek. The KJV has it right already.]
(Letsgofishing;27356)
The fact that the antichrist will come in the future is unbiblical. "This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. " ( 1 john 4 verse 3)If the antichrist is a human being tell me one person who has lived 2,000 years. nobody therefore it has to be some kind of political nation or religous power. not a personand only one kindgdom has lasted since then, the kingdom of Rome( in the version of the rcc) who will turn corrupt in the future be the first beast. .your brother in christ Ryan Fitz
It says this is that spirit of antichrist. It does not say this is that antichrist.1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. These words in 1Jn.2:18 "as ye have heard that antichrist shall come", are about an individual man in the future called antichrist.1Jn.2:18...even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Those words are about many antichrists that will have the spirit of antichrist because they deny the Father and the son.The word anti, from the Greek means against, and it also means substitue for or instead of.The future man called antichrist is going to be worshipped as a false god/man, and that makes him a false substitute for Christ on the Earth. So by definition he is an antichrist.Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Those many antichrists that John speaks of are antichrists because they are against Christ, by denying the Father and the Son. So they are antichrists and have the spirit of antichrist.1John 4:3, shows that people that don't confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, have the spirit of antichrist. Smith Wigglesworh, a great evangelist in the 20th century said that he never knew a devil possessed person to say that Jesus is come in the flesh. You can use that as a test to see if someone is possessed with a devil. Ask them, "Did Jesus Christ come in the flesh"? If they say no or refuse to answer they may be devil possessed and have the spirit of antichrist.You can research Smith Wigglesworth on Google; he healed the sick and raised several dead. Some considered him an apostle and he was called the apostle of faith.
The fact that the antichrist will come in the future is unbiblical. "This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. " ( 1 john 4 verse 3)If the antichrist is a human being tell me one person who has lived 2,000 years. nobody therefore it has to be some kind of political nation or religous power. not a personand only one kindgdom has lasted since then, the kingdom of Rome( in the version of the rcc) who will turn corrupt in the future be the first beast. .your brother in christ Ryan Fitz
It says this is that spirit of antichrist. It does not say this is that antichrist.1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. These words in 1Jn.2:18 "as ye have heard that antichrist shall come", are about an individual man in the future called antichrist.1Jn.2:18...even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Those words are about many antichrists that will have the spirit of antichrist because they deny the Father and the son.The word anti, from the Greek means against, and it also means substitue for or instead of.The future man called antichrist is going to be worshipped as a false god/man, and that makes him a false substitute for Christ on the Earth. So by definition he is an antichrist.Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Those many antichrists that John speaks of are antichrists because they are against Christ, by denying the Father and the Son. So they are antichrists and have the spirit of antichrist.1John 4:3, shows that people that don't confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, have the spirit of antichrist. Smith Wigglesworh, a great evangelist in the 20th century said that he never knew a devil possessed person to say that Jesus is come in the flesh. You can use that as a test to see if someone is possessed with a devil. Ask them, "Did Jesus Christ come in the flesh"? If they say no or refuse to answer they may be devil possessed and have the spirit of antichrist.You can research Smith Wigglesworth on Google; he healed the sick and raised several dead. Some considered him an apostle and he was called the apostle of faith.
"That's a downright lie. How are we to explain Revelation 20:3, Revelation 20:7-10?And who said Satan is a human being? He is a fallen archangel that will come to be claiming to be Christ. Angels are not flesh, but they can transfigure themselves when flesh can see."please excuse that last statement I was in a hurry and din't think it out. my scripture quote from John can ce interpreted in many ways and therefore you can easily get the message that the antichrist can come in the future.I also think that The antichrist and satan are seperate but I'm have a headache and don't feel like thinking so I'll debate another time. I apologizeRyan Fitz
(stone;27376)
The apostle Peter wrote this verse long after Christ died:1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: According to that scripture, Satan, the devil, was walking about looking for people to destroy, long after Jesus died. He is still walking about doing that.Jesus said that false Christs and false prophets would work great signs and wonders to deceive:Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.It looks to me like Satan and some of his devels, in Rev. 12, went back up to heaven to accuse some more of the righteous people, like he did in Job, and there was a war and Michael cast Satan and his devils out of heaven and won't let them go back up there to accuse the Christians anymore. When Satan sees that he is not allowed back in heaven, he is going to be angry. Then he is going to use the antichrist (man) who he controls to persecute Jews and Christians for the next 3.5 years till the end when Jesus comes back. [Strong's and vines concordances use the corrupted Alexandrian Greek, from the corrupted Alexandrian texts, vaticanus, and sinaiticus which are used in the corrupted modern bible versions. 5% of the Greek in Strong's concordance is not the right Greek. (I got that information from a KJV only website.) The King James bible is the right translation of the right greek from the textus receptus text. If you use the KJV, you don't need to know the Greek. The KJV has it right already.]
I never said their were not Antichrists and evil spirit there are but they are types they are not the one just as I pointed out before Titus the Roman Gen that destroyed the temple in 70 AD is a type of antichrist and the people of the day thought he was antichrist/devil Hitler was a type of antichrist/devil and Im sure to the jews it seemed it could get no worse there are many false prophets also but only one already judged to death "the son of Perdition" (Satan)all these were types there is nothing new under the sun all things that happened before will happen again Satan himself was in the garden Satan himself tempted Christ,tested Jobthis is an individual who has desired to be God sense iniquity was found in him do not confuse the types with real thing. God tells us exactly where he is and when hes coming and what we need to prepare for. God has said he has foretold us all thingsyou show me where he says a human man is going to be possessed by Satan every insistence we have of a powerful possession like Nebacanezer they go crazy and wonder in the woods like beasts or walk around naked. this possesion thing is just human speculation with no scripture to back it up In fact we have no presedence where Satan possesed anyone he only lies and temps. I do not remember any angel ever possesing anyone only evil spiritsNo this is Satan himself disgised as an angel of Light coming claiming to be christ just like we are told
The apostle Peter wrote this verse long after Christ died:1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: According to that scripture, Satan, the devil, was walking about looking for people to destroy, long after Jesus died. He is still walking about doing that.Jesus said that false Christs and false prophets would work great signs and wonders to deceive:Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.It looks to me like Satan and some of his devels, in Rev. 12, went back up to heaven to accuse some more of the righteous people, like he did in Job, and there was a war and Michael cast Satan and his devils out of heaven and won't let them go back up there to accuse the Christians anymore. When Satan sees that he is not allowed back in heaven, he is going to be angry. Then he is going to use the antichrist (man) who he controls to persecute Jews and Christians for the next 3.5 years till the end when Jesus comes back. [Strong's and vines concordances use the corrupted Alexandrian Greek, from the corrupted Alexandrian texts, vaticanus, and sinaiticus which are used in the corrupted modern bible versions. 5% of the Greek in Strong's concordance is not the right Greek. (I got that information from a KJV only website.) The King James bible is the right translation of the right greek from the textus receptus text. If you use the KJV, you don't need to know the Greek. The KJV has it right already.]
I never said their were not Antichrists and evil spirit there are but they are types they are not the one just as I pointed out before Titus the Roman Gen that destroyed the temple in 70 AD is a type of antichrist and the people of the day thought he was antichrist/devil Hitler was a type of antichrist/devil and Im sure to the jews it seemed it could get no worse there are many false prophets also but only one already judged to death "the son of Perdition" (Satan)all these were types there is nothing new under the sun all things that happened before will happen again Satan himself was in the garden Satan himself tempted Christ,tested Jobthis is an individual who has desired to be God sense iniquity was found in him do not confuse the types with real thing. God tells us exactly where he is and when hes coming and what we need to prepare for. God has said he has foretold us all thingsyou show me where he says a human man is going to be possessed by Satan every insistence we have of a powerful possession like Nebacanezer they go crazy and wonder in the woods like beasts or walk around naked. this possesion thing is just human speculation with no scripture to back it up In fact we have no presedence where Satan possesed anyone he only lies and temps. I do not remember any angel ever possesing anyone only evil spiritsNo this is Satan himself disgised as an angel of Light coming claiming to be christ just like we are told
(kriss;27384)
I never said their were not Antichrists and evil spirit there are but they are types they are not the one just as I pointed out before Titus the Roman Gen that destroyed the temple in 70 AD is a type of antichrist and the people of the day thought he was antichrist/devil Hitler was a type of antichrist/devil and Im sure to the jews it seemed it could get no worse there are many false prophets also but only one already judged to death "the son of Perdition" (Satan)all these were types there is nothing new under the sun all things that happened before will happen again Satan himself was in the garden Satan himself tempted Christ,tested Jobthis is an individual who has desired to be God sense iniquity was found in him do not confuse the types with real thing. God tells us exactly where he is and when hes coming and what we need to prepare for. God has said he has foretold us all thingsyou show me where he says a human man is going to be possessed by Satan every insistence we have of a powerful possession like Nebacanezer they go crazy and wonder in the woods like beasts or walk around naked. this possesion thing is just human speculation with no scripture to back it up In fact we have no presedence where Satan possesed anyone he only lies and temps. I do not remember any angel ever possesing anyone only evil spiritsNo this is Satan himself disgised as an angel of Light coming claiming to be christ just like we are told
Judas Iscariot was a human man possessed by Satan.Luke 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve. Mark 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.If you look at the ministry of Jesus in the New Testament, when he was ministering to the average crowd he cast out many devils. In the average crowd there are several that have devils, and they don't act crazy.The man in the bible that acted crazy with devils is the one that had the legion of devils in him; many devils.Mark 1:33 And all the city was gathered together at the door. Mark 1:34 And he healed many that were sick of divers diseases, and cast out many devils; and suffered not the devils to speak, because they knew him. Many more poeple have devils in them then you suspect; and they don't act crazy.
I never said their were not Antichrists and evil spirit there are but they are types they are not the one just as I pointed out before Titus the Roman Gen that destroyed the temple in 70 AD is a type of antichrist and the people of the day thought he was antichrist/devil Hitler was a type of antichrist/devil and Im sure to the jews it seemed it could get no worse there are many false prophets also but only one already judged to death "the son of Perdition" (Satan)all these were types there is nothing new under the sun all things that happened before will happen again Satan himself was in the garden Satan himself tempted Christ,tested Jobthis is an individual who has desired to be God sense iniquity was found in him do not confuse the types with real thing. God tells us exactly where he is and when hes coming and what we need to prepare for. God has said he has foretold us all thingsyou show me where he says a human man is going to be possessed by Satan every insistence we have of a powerful possession like Nebacanezer they go crazy and wonder in the woods like beasts or walk around naked. this possesion thing is just human speculation with no scripture to back it up In fact we have no presedence where Satan possesed anyone he only lies and temps. I do not remember any angel ever possesing anyone only evil spiritsNo this is Satan himself disgised as an angel of Light coming claiming to be christ just like we are told
Judas Iscariot was a human man possessed by Satan.Luke 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve. Mark 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.If you look at the ministry of Jesus in the New Testament, when he was ministering to the average crowd he cast out many devils. In the average crowd there are several that have devils, and they don't act crazy.The man in the bible that acted crazy with devils is the one that had the legion of devils in him; many devils.Mark 1:33 And all the city was gathered together at the door. Mark 1:34 And he healed many that were sick of divers diseases, and cast out many devils; and suffered not the devils to speak, because they knew him. Many more poeple have devils in them then you suspect; and they don't act crazy.
When the time Comes, the Men of God will not vindicate me, the Holy Ghost in me will. That's All I will say.
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Judas Iscariot was a human man possessed by Satan.Luke 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve. Mark 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.If you look at the ministry of Jesus in the New Testament, when he was ministering to the average crowd he cast out many devils. In the average crowd there are several that have devils, and they don't act crazy.The man in the bible that acted crazy with devils is the one that had the legion of devils in him; many devils.Mark 1:33 And all the city was gathered together at the door. Mark 1:34 And he healed many that were sick of divers diseases, and cast out many devils; and suffered not the devils to speak, because they knew him. Many more poeple have devils in them then you suspect; and they don't act crazy.
Yes but Satan is the prince of evil spirit you may be right about them not being all nuts but they are usally deceasedand Ive already said there many devils, evil spirits. But only one Lucifer (Satan) So my logical examples wasnt the best. But nothing you have said changes anything God still tell us specifically it is Satan himself that comes to earth with his Angels he is the ONLY son of Perdition (already judged to death) and God says Christ will not come until after the Son of Perdition, that man of lawlessness, Lucifer,the Devil, is reavealed (5th/6th trump)and you are right about your mind/heart being sealed in God/Christis what saves you. 2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him, 2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. This is the abomination of desolationperdition greek word Apoleia1) destroying, utter destruction2) a perishing, ruin, destruction the destruction which consists of eternal misery in hellfrom the root word Apollymi1) to destroya) to put out of the way entirely, abolish, put an end to ruin
render uselessc) to killd) to declare that one must be put to deathe) metaph. to devote or give over to eternal misery in hellf) to perish, to be lost, ruined, destroyed2) to destroya) to lose
Judas Iscariot was a human man possessed by Satan.Luke 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve. Mark 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.If you look at the ministry of Jesus in the New Testament, when he was ministering to the average crowd he cast out many devils. In the average crowd there are several that have devils, and they don't act crazy.The man in the bible that acted crazy with devils is the one that had the legion of devils in him; many devils.Mark 1:33 And all the city was gathered together at the door. Mark 1:34 And he healed many that were sick of divers diseases, and cast out many devils; and suffered not the devils to speak, because they knew him. Many more poeple have devils in them then you suspect; and they don't act crazy.
Yes but Satan is the prince of evil spirit you may be right about them not being all nuts but they are usally deceasedand Ive already said there many devils, evil spirits. But only one Lucifer (Satan) So my logical examples wasnt the best. But nothing you have said changes anything God still tell us specifically it is Satan himself that comes to earth with his Angels he is the ONLY son of Perdition (already judged to death) and God says Christ will not come until after the Son of Perdition, that man of lawlessness, Lucifer,the Devil, is reavealed (5th/6th trump)and you are right about your mind/heart being sealed in God/Christis what saves you. 2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him, 2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. This is the abomination of desolationperdition greek word Apoleia1) destroying, utter destruction2) a perishing, ruin, destruction the destruction which consists of eternal misery in hellfrom the root word Apollymi1) to destroya) to put out of the way entirely, abolish, put an end to ruin
Eze 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone [was] thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Eze 28:14 Thou [art] the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee [so]: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Eze 28:15 Thou [wast] perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. Notice Satan is called a man even though above is is clearly and angelIsa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms
Where does it Say he's a Man. If you're talking about the verse that says son of man(Lower Case S) he's talking about Ezekiel, not Satan. Although there are other references in the bible that call satan man.
Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdomsthis is Satan after christs return Im saying he is an Angel that appears as a mannamely the antichrist
(kriss;27200)
Here I'll start you off1. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, This is real likely half the christian world thinks the pope is antichrist so Im sure they are not going to be following himIslam, right, Im sure the millions if not billions of muslim are going to throw down their Qurans and (w)hore after the popeOh we got the Jews bet they are itching to follow the PopeNow I wonder how many Athiests, homosexuals, Buddists, North koreans, Hindu's, New agersare going to be following the popeWell now that about rules out everyone except Catholics and the other half of the christians But hey how can that be the Christ followers are the ones who arent supposed to follow the antichrist(pope)So at this point I see there is no one to follow the Popebut God says the Whole world follows after him somethings not right here..... ah could it be the pope is not antichristOk whats the number 2 thing he does ?
Terrific Points Kriss :angel9:.......Whirlwind
Here I'll start you off1. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, This is real likely half the christian world thinks the pope is antichrist so Im sure they are not going to be following himIslam, right, Im sure the millions if not billions of muslim are going to throw down their Qurans and (w)hore after the popeOh we got the Jews bet they are itching to follow the PopeNow I wonder how many Athiests, homosexuals, Buddists, North koreans, Hindu's, New agersare going to be following the popeWell now that about rules out everyone except Catholics and the other half of the christians But hey how can that be the Christ followers are the ones who arent supposed to follow the antichrist(pope)So at this point I see there is no one to follow the Popebut God says the Whole world follows after him somethings not right here..... ah could it be the pope is not antichristOk whats the number 2 thing he does ?
Terrific Points Kriss :angel9:.......Whirlwind
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Also the king of tyre is another name of Satan
Don't forget the Prince of Persia King of Assyria too
Also the king of tyre is another name of Satan
Don't forget the Prince of Persia King of Assyria too
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