The Catholic Church gets put down a lot, but it was all that could help

Phoneman777 · Aug 30, 2016

kepha31 said:
Agreed. He condemned the vanity, not the repetition.

Friend, what part of "thinking they will be heard for their MUCH SPEAKING" do you not get? "MUCH SPEAKING" is that which makes the prayer vain because "repetition" is the result of "MUCH SPEAKING".

ScaliaFan · Sep 10, 2016

Phoneman777 said:
, there is absolutely no need for further discussion as to what should be done with the doctrines of the RCC that do not line up with Scripture.

there is absolutely no need for further discussion as to what should be done with the doctrines of the numerous PRotestant "churches" (all teaching something different) that do not line up with Scripture.

ScaliaFan · Sep 10, 2016

there is no teacher like experience

and my experience shows me more than all my studying (which is comparatively extensive) that the Catholic Church is THE Church God founded through JEsus Christ

I know the difference between Cahtolic and protestant... I have been in both, which most people here cannot say.. Even people who say they were raised Catholic... What the heck does that mean? It could literally mean anything.. I was suposedly raised Catholic myself, but was taught next to NOTHING>.. wasn't taught most important "thing" the Eucharist and how the actual, tangible REAL Presence of Christ is available to us in the RC Church

so saying u were raised catholic means nada unless explained

michaelvpardo · Sep 10, 2016

ScaliaFan said:
there is no teacher like experience

and my experience shows me more than all my studying (which is comparatively extensive) that the Catholic Church is THE Church God founded through JEsus Christ

I know the difference between Cahtolic and protestant... I have been in both, which most people here cannot say.. Even people who say they were raised Catholic... What the heck does that mean? It could literally mean anything.. I was suposedly raised Catholic myself, but was taught next to NOTHING>.. wasn't taught most important "thing" the Eucharist and how the actual, tangible REAL Presence of Christ is available to us in the RC Church

so saying u were raised catholic means nada unless explained

This was pretty much basic catechism stuff and I'm pretty sure that you couldn't be confirmed without knowing it, however knowing it and believing it are two different things. Furthermore believing it doesn't make it true (I knew a girl once, a long time ago, who was convinced that the earth is flat in spite of all evidence to the contrary.) If you really want to check your facts, then you'll find that the RCC originated as a part of the Catholic church (church universal), but was set apart by its acceptance of pagan practice converting household gods to "saints" with responsibilities for answering prayer to areas once answered by the pagan gods. This lead to the first great church splits in history and the division between Rome and Constantinople. You can find more historical evidence of this and other uncomfortable truths in a book titled "the Bad Popes" which covers at least a thousand years of history from chroniclers at the Vatican and elsewhere in Rome and Europe. It was an awful read as most historical translation tends to be, but gives reliable sources.

Phoneman777 · Sep 10, 2016

ScaliaFan said:
there is absolutely no need for further discussion as to what should be done with the doctrines of the numerous PRotestant "churches" (all teaching something different) that do not line up with Scripture.

Agreed. Praise God that True Protestantism presents the truth of Scripture in the midst of so much Dragon (occult), Beast (Papal), and False Prophet (Apostate Protestantism) deception.

Phoneman777 · Sep 10, 2016

ScaliaFan said:
there is no teacher like experience

and my experience shows me more than all my studying (which is comparatively extensive) that the Catholic Church is THE Church God founded through JEsus Christ

I know the difference between Cahtolic and protestant... I have been in both, which most people here cannot say.. Even people who say they were raised Catholic... What the heck does that mean? It could literally mean anything.. I was suposedly raised Catholic myself, but was taught next to NOTHING>.. wasn't taught most important "thing" the Eucharist and how the actual, tangible REAL Presence of Christ is available to us in the RC Church

so saying u were raised catholic means nada unless explained

There is nothing in Scripture that supports the Eucharist. Jesus explained plainly that "eat My flesh and drink My blood" was an allegorical statement for internalizing His words of truth, not literally eating and drinking Divine anatomical structure (John 6:63 KJV).

If these words are meant to be taken literally, all Catholics since the 12th century, including you, are in a world of hurt because no Catholic has drunk Jesus' "blood" since the church began withholding the wine from the laity back then...unless you will argue in agreement with the church that it has the power to alter a Biblical command of Jesus Himself in order to make eating His "flesh" alone as a sufficient fulfillment of Jesus' directive, which would of course immediately disqualify the Catholic church as what you so adamantly claim as a "Biblically based" organization, friend. You can't have it both ways...

heretoeternity · Sep 13, 2016

Agreed. He condemned the vanity, not the repetition.
Matt. 26:44 - Jesus prayed a third time in the garden of Gethsemane, saying the exact same words again. It is not the repetition that is the issue. It's the vanity. God looks into our heart, not solely at our words.

But praying to Mary?

Luke 18:13 - the tax collector kept beating his breast and praying "God be merciful to me, a sinner." This repetitive prayer was pleasing to God because it was offered with a sincere and repentant heart.

1 Thess. 5:17 - Paul commands us to pray constantly. Good repetition is different than vain repetition.

Rev. 4:8 - the angels pray day and night without cessation the same words "Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God Almighty." This is repetitious prayer that is pleasing to God.

Psalm 136 - in this Psalm, the phrase "For His steadfast love endures forever" is more repetitious than any Catholic prayer, and it is God's divine Word.

heretoeternity · Sep 13, 2016

Agreed. He condemned the vanity, not the repetition.
Matt. 26:44 - Jesus prayed a third time in the garden of Gethsemane, saying the exact same words again. It is not the repetition that is the issue. It's the vanity. God looks into our heart, not solely at our words.

Luke 18:13 - the tax collector kept beating his breast and praying "God be merciful to me, a sinner." This repetitive prayer was pleasing to God because it was offered with a sincere and repentant heart.

1 Thess. 5:17 - Paul commands us to pray constantly. Good repetition is different than vain repetition.

Rev. 4:8 - the angels pray day and night without cessation the same words "Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God Almighty." This is repetitious prayer that is pleasing to God.

Psalm 136 - in this Psalm, the phrase "For His steadfast love endures forever" is more repetitious than any Catholic prayer, and it is God's divine Word.

But praying to Mary and statues? That sounds really wrong. Don't you know we are to pray to God, in Jesus name? If you don't you should really doublecheck your spirituality.

ScaliaFan · Sep 13, 2016

Phoneman777 said:
While there is room for debate and speculation regarding some Biblical issues, there is absolutely no need for further discussion as to what should be done with the doctrines of the RCC that do not line up with Scripture.

who says they don't line up?

you?

and of course u ppl who say this kinda thing never bring up ONE example

ScaliaFan · Sep 13, 2016

heretoeternity said:
But praying to Mary and statues? That sounds really wrong. Don't you know we are to pray to God, in Jesus name? If you don't you should really doublecheck your spirituality.

who told u cathlics pray to statues?

y do u believe everything u hear?

b/c you want to?

Phoneman777 · Sep 14, 2016

kepha31 said:
Your demonizing the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius of Loyola is based on falsehoods. Once again, the anti-Catholic merely asserts with no evidence. You have to. Tearing down anything Catholic is done to build up your man made prot cult, it's pure insecurity. Catholic bashing is your religion. Find a Catholic source that does that to your un-named "church", whatever it may be. You can't. We don't demonize or misrepresent Protestantism the way you do to us.
Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius of Loyola < this is called providing a source to back up your claims. Try it sometime.

New Revised Anti-Catholic Version (NRACV)
Commandment #8 You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor (except Catholics, they are not human)

Friend, any belief system that seeks to substitute for Christ a sinful man in Rome as mediator between God and man deserves to be called out for what it is: a false system. "Antichrist" means "in place of Christ" and that is exactly what your beloved RCC claims to be, and God will destroy it and all those who refuse to come out from it, according to Scripture:

"Come out of (Babylon) My people, that you be not partakers of her sins and that you receive not of her plagues." Revelation 18:4 KJV

Guess what? The Bible says that this "Babylon" Mother of Harlots is located "in that great city which reigneth over the kings of the Earth", which even a fool will tell you is a reference to Rome, and of course that Babylonian Whore church that is located there.

TopherNelson · Sep 15, 2016

Both catholics and protestants are big jokes. Neither of you know who is Christ. Prove me wrong. Tell me, who is Jesus?
This?
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Phoneman777 · Sep 15, 2016

davidnelson said:
Both catholics and protestants are big jokes. Neither of you know who is Christ. Prove me wrong. Tell me, who is Jesus?
This?
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Therefore, the Son of man is also Lord of the Sabbath day."

TopherNelson · Sep 16, 2016

Phoneman777 said:
Therefore, the Son of man is also Lord of the Sabbath day."

Exactly. Is God 3 in 1?

tom55 · Sep 16, 2016

davidnelson said:
Both catholics and protestants are big jokes. Neither of you know who is Christ. Prove me wrong. Tell me, who is Jesus?
This?

Jesus Christ is the Word of God made flesh

Jesus Christ redeemed man by His Death on the Cross

Jesus Christ's Divine mission is continued by the ministry of the Church he established.

Who do you say he is?

ScaliaFan · Sep 16, 2016

davidnelson said:
Both catholics and protestants are big jokes. Neither of you know who is Christ. Prove me wrong. Tell me, who is Jesus?
This?

assuming you mean neither of us KNOWS Christ (?)

very judgmental. nO, worse, it is condemning

who died and made u Jesus?

Phoneman777 · Sep 16, 2016

davidnelson said:
Exactly. Is God 3 in 1?

Finite minds can't wrap around an Infinite God (Job 11:7-9 KJV), but we should remember that Jesus the Son of God was walking up out of the Jordan as God the Father was booming His voice from the heavens as the Spirit of God was seen descending between both Father and Son - three separate and distinct beings comprising one God, as 1 John 5:7 KJV attests.

Sadly, 1 John 5:7 KJV is claimed to be an uninspired text because it doesn't appear in the oldest Greek New Testament manuscripts that exist - however, this argument is based on the flawed premise that the word "oldest" must cease to mean merely "most old" and take on a newly ascribed meaning - "most accurate". While it is true that the verse doesn't appear in these "oldest/most accurate" MSS, we should recognize the following game changer for what it is: irrefutable proof that the NT Greek MSS used by Erasmus (who is claimed to have inserted this text into John's Epistle) and the other contributors to the Textus Receptus have exposed the "oldest/ most accurate" Greek NT MSS as actually the LEAST accurate:

While all original NT MSS from Paul, Peter, etc. are lost (which would be expected when considering the wear and tear mileage these early documents racked up, leaving us with just copies of copies, etc.) it should be noted that personal letters which were written from the Early Church Fathers one to another, which are older than any Bible MSS in existence, and are found well preserved due obviously to having been handled far less, contain instances where the ECF have quoted Bible verses that are not found in the "oldest/most accurate" Greek NT MSS, which are considered "less accurate"!

So, does the fact that 1 John 5:7 KJV does not appear in the "oldest/most accurate" MSS make it an inaccurate text, or does the fact that the ECF were quoting texts that do not appear in the "oldest/most accurate" MSS demonstrate that the Word of God was tampered with some time after these ECF letter were written?

Sadly, the new versions are all translated from these contaminated MSS and are regarded as "superior" while the tried and true Reformation era Textus Receptus suddenly is held up in question as to its validity. Well, played, you Whore of Babylon, well played.

michaelvpardo · Sep 17, 2016

ScaliaFan said:
who says they don't line up?

you?

and of course u ppl who say this kinda thing never bring up ONE example

As a recovering Catholic I'm certainly able to give you one. I stopped attending masses and other "sacramental" services the day that I was "confirmed" (at the age of 13,) for such reasons.
Jesus said,
9. "Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
10. "And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ. Matthew 23:9-10
This is perhaps the first and most obvious contradiction of the RCC to the teaching of Jesus Christ as found in the gospel accounts. A minor thing, but it bothered me from the first time that I read it at about the age of 8 or 9.
It seems like a trivial thing, but when I went back into the Old Testament books and managed to read through the books of the Law I began to see things far less trivial.
Starting with the first commandment:
7. `You shall have no other gods before Me. 8. `You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 9. you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 10. but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments. Deuteronomy 5:7-10
You'll notice that these verses do not say with the exception of my Son (and this commandment probably came to us from the pre-incarnate Son Himself) so, anyone who has ever stepped into a Roman Catholic Church or ever seen photos of one will know immediately that this church not only selectively ignores the teaching of Jesus the Christ, but also openly and flagrantly disobeys His commandments given through His servant Moses, even those written with the finger of God (as in the tablets given upon Mt. Sinai.)
There are many deeper contradictions between RC dogma and biblical doctrine, but it would take hundreds of pages to cover them in any depth and there is no reason that any "protestant" should waste his or her time elaborating upon these when they are all evident to anyone who takes time to read the scripture and take it at face value for its plain and simple meaning. The burden of responsibility for the RCC's rebellion is entirely upon the membership of that church, as God has admonished us all to read and be familiar with His word which is itself entirely sufficient for training in godliness.
16. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17. that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy 3:16-17
Don't feel bad. Biblical illiteracy is not unique to the RCC, but is a widespread and common problem in a world where most people don't appear to have the patience to read a simple set of instructions for the things that they purchase and far less interest in the words of life and death.

ScaliaFan · Sep 17, 2016

Michael V Pardo said:
As a recovering Catholic I'm certainly able to give you one. I stopped attending masses and other "sacramental" services the day that I was "confirmed" (at the age of 13,) for such reasons.
Jesus said,
9. "Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.read

read this far..

I just KNEW u would give THAT example... See, i have been dealing w/ these kinds of things... apologetics.. obstinate protestants for a long time

so anyhow, yeh, i guess u had better stop calling your biological father Father then

see what happens when u go by Bible alone?

u begin to sound follish

heretoeternity · Sep 17, 2016

ScaliaFan said:
who told u cathlics pray to statues?

y do u believe everything u hear?

b/c you want to?

Yes, RC pray to statues of all kinds, especially Mary...have seen it first hand, as a RC churchgoer to the age of 9 or so, when I learned the truth, and ran away from that pagan based religion....they have not changed...still pray to these same statues even today, and kiss their feet etc...does that sound "christian"?

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