God Justifieth the ungodly..

Jordan · Dec 21, 2007

(Unorthodox Christian;27583)
(thesuperjag;27557)
Dear Ryan...not exactly. Eve was saying that on Genesis 4:1. Is Eve God?The LORD was saying that "thy seed and her seed" at Genesis 3:15.Once again. Is Eve God? or Is the LORD God?JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
It's not because Eve said it, it's because all babies are gifts from God. But take note how the order of Births take place. The Serpent has Sex With Eve First, so it makes since Cain comes Out. Adam sleeps with her Second, Abel Comes out. The Serpent and Adam had sex with eve the Same Day.Psalm 127:3 "Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward."It was all part of God's Plan.Point taken.Of course the Kenites are part of God's plan. The negative side of God's plan. At least it doesn't change the fact that we agree with each other. Please note, there are 2 "fathers" really on this flesh age. Satan or God. There is no possible way I'm going to call Satan father. (Matthew 23:9)But like you said...all babies are gift from God.

(Malachi 2:10)JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.

HammerStone · Dec 21, 2007

Since I believe the earth, according to the creation concept, has been around for 6000 years, can anyone "white" or very light in skin color possibly be the descendent's of Cain? Who are the Kenites? Can we recognize them by certain traits of characteristics, skin color, race, or nationality?
Well, it's pretty obvious you're trying to brand this doctrine as racist, so let's get that out on the table and at least be sincere about it. And the answer is no, you cannot. Anyone can see for themselves we have a variety of races of this Earth. However, you do have to exercise a bit of common sense here. Satan made himself look very appetizing to Eve, as serpent is derived from the root word meaning shining one. We know from the NT that Satan can appear as an angel of light. (II Corinthians 11:14) The other parent, Eve, was clearly of the same race as Adam. So there's your answer. Trying to make this an issue of race is a red herring. It's not about skin color, it's about the fact there there is a group of people, the serpent's seed, knowingly working against our Father to the best of their ability.
Did Moses marry a Kenite? Yes. She is from the line of the Kenites.
Wrong. That's ignoring the difference that a Kenite is a Kenite in the sense that I am a South Carolinian. It's a clear distinction also made in the New Testment as well. Jethro is also identified as a Midianite priest. I think this makes the point.
It was all part of God's Plan.
Amen.

Unorthodox Christian · Dec 21, 2007

@Denver Or Jag, take into account that we do not know whether we are Seth or Serpent's Seed. Don't you think this is why Yeshua HaMashiach said we need to be born again? Alot of people miss this, not only are we born of Lustful Sin, through the Lust of the Pleasure of Sex, but also for those that are not aware they are seeds of the serpent, to Be Born Again in Order to be a new Creature in Yeshua HaMashiach?

Jordan · Dec 21, 2007

(Unorthodox Christian;27587)
@Denver Or Jag, take into account that we do not know whether we are Seth or Serpent's Seed. Don't you think this is why Yeshua HaMashiach said we need to be born again? Alot of people miss this, not only are we born of Lustful Sin, through the Lust of the Pleasure of Sex, but also for those that are not aware they are seeds of the serpent, to Be Born Again in Order to be a new Creature in Yeshua HaMashiach?
Dear Unorthodox Christian. Isn't being born again from above? Isn't from above being able to tell the truth in the Spirit and in truth? (John 4:24) Well Unorthodox Christian, you must be aware that these Kenites are claimed to be Jews who aren't Jews (especially claiming to be Christians and aren't Christians) but they do lie, synagogue of Satan.. (Revelation 2:9, Revelation 3:9) They are still part of God's negative plan. You don't want to get mixed up with them...JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.

Unorthodox Christian · Dec 21, 2007

I too, along with you, believe in predestination. God created who would make it and who would not. Like a beautiful Bed Time Story isn't it? Amazing.

Jordan · Dec 21, 2007

(Unorthodox Christian;27590)
I too, along with you, believe in predestination. God created who would make it and who would not. Like a beautiful Bed Time Story isn't it? Amazing.
Just remember that Christ didn't die for some, He died for all of mankind. Even the Kenites can repent for their sins and have Christ as their Lord and Saviour. As Christ is the Salvation. (Acts 4:12) As He is the Saviour of the world. (John 4:42, I John 4:14) as He is not willingly that any should perish, but all come into repentance. (II Peter 3:9)JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.

Letsgofishing · Dec 22, 2007

Could someone look up the word "knew" for me in something like the Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary. I don't have the software.

savedbygrace57 · Dec 22, 2007

thesup says
Just remember that Christ didn't die for some, He died for all of mankind
This is a lie and it is no where taught in scriptures..Christ said I lay my life down for the sheep and thats it..all men are not his sheep..

Letsgofishing · Dec 22, 2007

"It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." Mark 2:17care to rephrase that savedbygrace. don't you ever downgrade Jesus's death by claiming he didn't die for everybodyDon't even downgrade Jesus in general saying that he didn't live for the sinner.JESUS DIED FOR HITLER!!! HE DIED FOR STALIN!! HE DIED FOR TIMOTHY MCVIEGH, HE DIED FOR NERO CEASER, FOR CHARLES MANSON, HE WOULD OF DIED FOR THE DEVIL HIMSELF IF LUCIFER WAS WILLING TO CONVERT.and don't dare say otherwise, and make a mockery of our saviors, our GODS death.not all accept salvation , but the salvation is open to all. your brother in christ Ryan Fitz

Christina · Dec 22, 2007

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Could someone look up the word "knew" for me in something like the Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary. I don't have the software.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/search.html#search heres link for online search(dont forget to put a check mark in shoe Strongs)Hebrew word yada a verb meaning (if you are talking in Gen Adam knew his wife)1) to knowa) (Qal)1) to knowa) to know, learn to know

to perceivec) to perceive and see, find out and discernd) to discriminate, distinguishe) to know by experiencef) to recognise, admit, acknowledge, confessg) to consider2) to know, be acquainted with3) to know (a person carnally)4) to know how, be skilful in5) to have knowledge, be wise

(Niphal)1) to be made known, be or become known, be revealed2) to make oneself known3) to be perceived4) to be instructedc) (Piel) to cause to knowd) (Poal) to cause to knowe) (Pual)1) to be known2) known, one known, acquaintance (participle)f) (Hiphil) to make known, declareg) (Hophal) to be made knownh) (Hithpael) to make oneself known, reveal oneself

Christina · Dec 22, 2007

(savedbygrace57;27626)
thesup saysThis is a lie and it is no where taught in scriptures..Christ said I lay my life down for the sheep and thats it..all men are not his sheep..
No its not except in your calvanist view Christ died for ALL sins so thats ALL sins done by all men Christ is the Only way Jhn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: Jhn 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Jhn 5:34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved. So unless you can prove Christ only died for some sins committed by some men ?????????

savedbygrace57 · Dec 23, 2007

criss says
No its not except in your calvanist view Christ died for ALL sins so thats ALL sins done by all men Christ is the Only way
He did not die for anyone sins who will go to hell...There going to hell proves they had no saviour so are you a universalist ?

Jordan · Dec 23, 2007

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criss says(Kriss;27633)
No its not except in your calvanist view Christ died for ALL sinsso thats ALL sins done by all men Christ is the Only way
He did not die for anyone sins who will go to hell...There going to hell proves they had no saviour so are you a universalist ?Can you give us scriptures to counter these Truth, make sure you look at the underline words of these scriptures.John 4:42 - And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.I John 4:14 - And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.II Peter 3:9 - The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.Jag

savedbygrace57 · Dec 23, 2007

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Can you give us scriptures to counter these Truth, make sure you look at the underline words of these scriptures.John 4:42 - And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.I John 4:14 - And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.II Peter 3:9 - The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.Jag
The saviour of the world saves people..duh..so do you believe everyone in the world is saved ?

Jordan · Dec 23, 2007

(savedbygrace;27674)
(thesuperjag;27664)
Can you give us scriptures to counter these Truth, make sure you look at the underline words of these scriptures.John 4:42 - And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.I John 4:14 - And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.II Peter 3:9 - The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.Jag
The saviour of the world saves people..duh..so do you believe everyone in the world is saved?John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.

savedbygrace57 · Dec 23, 2007

(thesuperjag;27691)
John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
So does the saviour save all that he came to save ? yes or no..

Jordan · Dec 23, 2007

I John 2:2 - And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.

savedbygrace57 · Dec 24, 2007

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I John 2:2 - And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
Tell you what sense you spineless He aint your proptiation or saviour If one goes to hell..

Peacebewithyou · Dec 24, 2007

(savedbygrace57;27729)
Tell you what sense you spineless He aint your proptiation or saviour If one goes to hell..
Your post doesn't make sense, but what I gather you are trying to say makes me wonder what being "spineless" has to do with anything?From your understanding, it seems that God sends whomever he randomly hasn't "chosen" to hell. That doesn't sound like someone with a spine - it sounds cruel. I'm so thankful that isn't the Jesus of the Bible. He desires all to be saved. Many will reject his free gift of salvation, but that is their choice - not His.

Unorthodox Christian · Dec 24, 2007

savedbygrace has decided to make himself a self appointed Judge and that's sad. Instead of Looking at what Christ did you belittle his Offering to his Children, whether his elect or Sinners. That's sad, so much for a man claiming he's been saved by grace. To deny what God has done is blasphemy so I pray that the Father has mercy on You. His death was not only the work of the Son, but of the Father and Holy Ghost. :naughty:

God Justifieth the ungodly..

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