Homosexuality

Wormwood · Jan 20, 2017

This is utter nonsense.

Do you know WHY Jesus had such disdain for the Pharisees? Was it because they were "religious?" Absolutely not! He loathed them because they saw NO need for his grace. They felt their lives were just fine and they had no need to be baptized by John or repent of their evil behavior and hearts.

Ironically, the same is true for those who adamantly defend homosexuality. The whole, "we all are sinners" argument or "who are you to judge me!" comes from a false conception of grace. It is the same arrogant, "I don't have to change anything" behavior the Pharisees expressed that caused them to reject repentance and Jesus.

Yes, we all sin. Yet not everyone defends and excuses their sin..or argues that their sin is no sin at all. Why not tell the abuser to keep on abusing...because, after all, we all sin. Idolater to keep on worshipping idols...I mean, we all sin...who are we to judge? Utter nonsense. We are all sinners, but some loath their sin and repent of it and encourage others to do the same (as Jesus commands) and others excuse it and refuse to repent (and thus refuse grace). Grace comes to the humble and contrite of heart. Not the arrogant and proud who feel they have nothing to be ashamed of or weep over. Those who call themselves "Christian" and excuse and defend wickedness should be ashamed of themselves. Paul condemned such arguments and those who taught such false doctrines.

“Someone might argue, “If my falsehood enhances God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?” Why not say—as we are being slanderously reported as saying and as some claim that we say—“Let us do evil that good may result”? Their condemnation is deserved.” (Romans 3:7–8, NIV84)

7angels · Jan 20, 2017

FHII said:
I will take partial blame in that my post was not well organized (even though I revised it three time). However, I have addressed nearly everything you brought up.

First of all, the terms "deliberate" and "intentional" are not in the Bible (I speak of the KJV, so I cannot account for other versions). Some of the verses you spoke of like those in Deuteronomy use the term "presumptuous". I agree: a reasonably close synonym. If you look carefully you will see they are not laws. They are commandments for specific situations. 18:20 speaks of presumptive prophets. All the laws were commandments, but not all commandments were the law.

I spoke about ignorance of the law and that is what Numbers 15 and Lev 4 were dealing with. I still contend they are not the same thing. Your point about King Ambelech taking Abraham's wife would prove that to be so. There was no law of God at the time, but he still understood it was forbidden. However, he still did it out of ignorance (and let's face it: Abraham wasn't telling the whole truth, was he?)

I also spoke of accidents. So the points about murder vs accidental killing... I acknowledged that.

Am I finding legal loopholes? Debating definition of words? Maybe. So if you want to throw the red flag on that fine.

I urge you, however, to consider my arguement as it pertains to this conversation. Again, my post was a mess, but my point is that if you are going to claim unintentional sin due to ignorance of the Law, you have no excuse. We know the Law in that it is written and has been established. It is not God's fault if anyone doesn't know it. In the days of Numbers 15 and Leviticus 4 they may have been ignorant. And once again, I acknowledge accidents.

So from this point of view can you really find too many sins that aren't done deliberately?

Again, apply this to the present conversation. Unless I am misunderstanding my opponent, he is claiming grace only covers unintentional sins (and used cases of ignorance to the Law as examples). THAT I disagree with.
How does he do it? By using the Law which we are no longer under and the claim that it was upheld in Hebrews (which it is not).

I spoke of big vs little sin and you said I was looking at it the wro g way. No, I am not because my overall point is the same as yours. Man looks at sins as big or little; God doesn't. He sees them as sins. I have quotes from James 1, Gal 2 (or 3) and Matthew 5 that support that. My point is that grace covers all sins of the flesh and that is reason to rejoice.

I am defending grace, even for homosexuals. I am not urging any sin and encouraging people to stop sinning if they wish (as sin in general affects our human life and could possibly hinder you walk with God. I have scripture on that too... As Paul said all things are lawful but not not all things are exedient, edifying and we should not be brought under its power).

So once again, I may have done a poor job organizing my thoughts, but I stand by them and do so with Biblical proof.

now if i read your post correctly you do agree that there are different kinds of sins but that the word intentional and deliberate are not in the bible. ok i am glad we agree i will not argue semantics then.

i agree that grace can cover any sin as long as you qualify. there are conditions receive God's grace too just like any other promise. learning about God's grace is a very interesting subject. grace is to help us walk Godly and not a ticket to keep sinning.

i agree that God count all evil being done sin whether it is cursing or murder. but someone brought up a great point recently that i have been giving thought too. God counts some sins weightier matters then other sins. look at the punishment He deals out for different sins.

you did well explaining this time then last time congrats.

God bless

7angels · Jan 20, 2017

Wormwood said:
This is utter nonsense.

Do you know WHY Jesus had such disdain for the Pharisees? Was it because they were "religious?" Absolutely not! He loathed them because they saw NO need for his grace. They felt their lives were just fine and they had no need to be baptized by John or repent of their evil behavior and hearts.

Ironically, the same is true for those who adamantly defend homosexuality. The whole, "we all are sinners" argument or "who are you to judge me!" comes from a false conception of grace. It is the same arrogant, "I don't have to change anything" behavior the Pharisees expressed that caused them to reject repentance and Jesus.

Yes, we all sin. Yet not everyone defends and excuses their sin..or argues that their sin is no sin at all. Why not tell the abuser to keep on abusing...because, after all, we all sin. Idolater to keep on worshipping idols...I mean, we all sin...who are we to judge? Utter nonsense. We are all sinners, but some loath their sin and repent of it and encourage others to do the same (as Jesus commands) and others excuse it and refuse to repent (and thus refuse grace). Grace comes to the humble and contrite of heart. Not the arrogant and proud who feel they have nothing to be ashamed of or weep over. Those who call themselves "Christian" and excuse and defend wickedness should be ashamed of themselves. Paul condemned such arguments and those who taught such false doctrines.

i would watch it. it sounds like pride the way you say it. the pharisee and tax collector come to mind as i read your post.

The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

instead of publican you could put homosexual and it almost matches you post. i warn you to be careful.

God bless

Wormwood · Jan 20, 2017

7angels,

That is also a good point. God does count some sins as more grievous as others. The OT clearly testifies to this (based on varying severity of judgments) as well as the NT. Clearly, homosexuality is a sin that the NT uses its strongest language in condemning. Of course, that is not to say that the homosexual is beyond God's grace. Yet, it is to say that it is not something to shrug at or pretend its no different than saying an inappropriate word in anger. Any sin causes us to fall short of God's glory, but that is NOT to say all sins are equal. That is like saying someone who breaks the speed limit and a serial killer are both lawbreakers and therefore deserve equal punishment.

Wormwood · Jan 20, 2017

7angels said:
i would watch it. it sounds like pride the way you say it. the pharisee and tax collector come to mind as i read your post.
The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

instead of publican you could put homosexual and it almost matches you post. i warn you to be careful.

God bless

I don't follow. How does my post sound prideful? My point is that we all should weep and seek repentance for our sins rather than trying to defend or excuse them. How is that prideful? I am referring to those who defend sin (such as homosexuality) with the excuse that we are all sinners therefore I can continue in my sin. I think you are making some errant assumptions about me here, 7angels.

mjrhealth · Jan 20, 2017

n (such as homosexuality)

Whos defending homsexualtiy, we are defending the people, do you know why a man is teh way he is, can you look into a lesbians flesh and see what is corrupted, can you look at a disfugered man and say he must of sinned hence he is. get off your high horses, you dont know, you are not God, using the bible to defend your bigotry. When you become God you will have the right.

7angels · Jan 20, 2017

Wormwood said:
I don't follow. How does my post sound prideful? My point is that we all should weep and seek repentance for our sins rather than trying to defend or excuse them. How is that prideful? I am referring to those who defend sin (such as homosexuality) with the excuse that we are all sinners therefore I can continue in my sin. I think you are making some errant assumptions about me here, 7angels.

i can be mistaken. i hope i am but i felt led to post it sorry if it does not apply then ignore it.

God bless

Wormwood · Jan 20, 2017

mjrhealth said:
Whos defending homsexualtiy, we are defending the people, do you know why a man is teh way he is, can you look into a lesbians flesh and see what is corrupted, can you look at a disfugered man and say he must of sinned hence he is. get off your high horses, you dont know, you are not God, using the bible to defend your bigotry. When you become God you will have the right.

What? This response makes zero sense.

1. I am not attacking "the people." I am saying homosexuality, like adultery or any other sexual perversion is evil and clearly condemned in scripture. It is no different than saying murder is evil. Yes, murderers can receive grace, but that doesn't mean I should cease to declare the practice of murder to be evil. It has nothing to do with "looking into" someone's "flesh." Sin is sin my friend. We should encourage one another to repent of our sins and seek grace, not ignore them because we are concerned we will be seen as a "bigot."

2. What in the world are you talking about when you talk about "looking into a lesbians flesh to see what is corrupted." Are you suggesting they cannot help their sin? If so, thats merely an excuse and I am not buying the argument that a person has no control over their sinful behavior. I don't doubt that a homosexual's struggle is genuine and I realize every person has their own vices. Yet this does not excuse any evil behavior. Because I am a heterosexual, does that justify me if I lust after or engage in sexual activities with women who are not my wife!? Does my flesh's heterosexual desire excuse indulging in heterosexual pornography or prostitution? Such arguments are foolish. We all know better. Evil tendencies and desires, no matter what they are, do NOT excuse evil behaviors....ever.

3. What does a physical deformity have to do with this discussion? Are you comparing homosexuality with a physical defect or genetic disease? Seriously? This is about as misguided of a statement as I have ever seen.

4. the Bible is God's revealed and inspired message to us. I know you reject it and only see your own words as divine. Yet, I (and all true Christians) accept the Bible as God's message to us. It is not bigotry or being judgmental to affirm what God has clearly stated in the Scriptures. Rather, it is arrogant and wicked to see what God has clearly stated and reject it in favor of one's own gut and desires.

FHII · Jan 21, 2017

7angels said:
now if i read your post correctly you do agree that there are different kinds of sins but that the word intentional and deliberate are not in the bible. ok i am glad we agree i will not argue semantics then.

i agree that grace can cover any sin as long as you qualify. there are conditions receive God's grace too just like any other promise. learning about God's grace is a very interesting subject. grace is to help us walk Godly and not a ticket to keep sinning.

i agree that God count all evil being done sin whether it is cursing or murder. but someone brought up a great point recently that i have been giving thought too. God counts some sins weightier matters then other sins. look at the punishment He deals out for different sins.

you did well explaining this time then last time congrats.

God bless

7Angels,

I see only one condition for grace: faith. Faith itself has requirements, which we can discuss. But grace doesn't have requirements other than faith (not that I can remember). Grace has allowances. For one it allows us to serve God with reverence and Godly fear (respect). Again we can discuss that as well.

The notion that God sees some sins weightier than others is interesting. Ultimately, he doesn't. What are the wages of sin? Death. Separation from God.

Then there are the old testament punishments. These are earthly punishments and if you can figure out the system, by all means let me know. Because adulterers, homosexuals, murderers, unruly children and folks who gathered sticks on the sabbath got stoned to death. Now can you explain the weight and measurement system for those?

Again, the wages of sin is death, and I didn't see any scale for that verse in Romans 6. Now the rest of that verse says the gift of God (grace) is eternal life, and I didn't see a scale for that either.

Wormwood · Jan 21, 2017

The notion that God sees some sins weightier than others is interesting. Ultimately, he doesn't. What are the wages of sin? Death. Separation from God.
Then there are the old testament punishments. These are earthly punishments and if you can figure out the system, by all means let me know. Because adulterers, homosexuals, murderers, unruly children and folks who gathered sticks on the sabbath got stoned to death. Now can you explain the weight and measurement system for those?

Again, the wages of sin is death, and I didn't see any scale for that verse in Romans 6. Now the rest of that verse says the gift of God (grace) is eternal life, and I didn't see a scale for that either.

Sorry to butt in, but Jesus makes it pretty clear that there will be greater punishments for some than others on multiple occasions. Certainly not all punishment in hell will be equal. Perhaps the length will be the same, but the severity will not be. Moreover, some sins have more severe immediate physical and spiritual consequences. Stealing a piece of candy and dabbling in Satanism are not equal in either their wickedness or potential consequences. Even an earthly judge knows that stealing candy and molesting and abusing a child are not worthy of equal punishment. How much more the one who created our sense of outrage against evil.

mjrhealth · Jan 21, 2017

3. What does a physical deformity have to do with this discussion? Are you comparing homosexuality with a physical defect or genetic disease? Seriously? This is about as misguided of a statement as I have ever seen.

YEs you look at the outside , so blind. You know what corruption is, you shoudl look it up and stop condeming the world and yourself with it.

FHII · Jan 21, 2017

Wormwood said:
Sorry to butt in, but Jesus makes it pretty clear that there will be greater punishments for some than others on multiple occasions. Certainly not all punishment in hell will be equal. Perhaps the length will be the same, but the severity will not be. Moreover, some sins have more severe immediate physical and spiritual consequences. Stealing a piece of candy and dabbling in Satanism are not equal in either their wickedness or potential consequences. Even an earthly judge knows that stealing candy and molesting and abusing a child are not worthy of equal punishment. How much more the one who created our sense of outrage against evil.

Sure... He didn't care much for religious hypocracy. We see that in Mat 23. He also didn't take rejection well (rejection of Him or his disciples), which is in Mat 10. He said that whosoever shall kill, be angry at his brother without cause or say raca shall be in danger of judgment, but whosoever shall say thou fool shall be in danger of hell fire. (Mat 5)

And he said whosever shall break the least of his commandments shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven. (Mat 5). So where do you want to go from there seeing as how he didn't have much to say about homosexuality?

He also hung out with publicans, sinners, prostitutes and an accountant. Now which one was the devil? The accountant!

He also hung out with thieves, by the way.

As for the earthly judicial system... I agree with it in an earthly sense (soeaking of the one in my home country of the U.S.). But God's is much different. We applaud religious tolerance. God doesn't. So that whole portion of your discussion is meaningless.

FHII · Jan 21, 2017

mjrhealth said:
Whos defending homsexualtiy, we are defending the people, do you know why a man is teh way he is, can you look into a lesbians flesh and see what is corrupted, can you look at a disfugered man and say he must of sinned hence he is. get off your high horses, you dont know, you are not God, using the bible to defend your bigotry. When you become God you will have the right.

Well, I am defending grace.... That defends... No, covers the sinner.

I stand with you Mjrhealth on this issue.

mjrhealth · Jan 21, 2017

Well, I am defending grace.... That defends... No, covers the sinner.

Hi Fhii, I think you missed the point.

Joh 9:1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
Joh 9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
Joh 9:3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

Is a mna born with half a brain a sinner because he was born that way, is a mna a sinner because he is born with no legs, is a man a sinner because he born with has no arms, is a man a siner because he has a male bodt with an overdose of female hormones, is a woman a sinner because she is in a womens both born with testicles and an overdose of male hormones, certainly teh religious like to condemn them, if teh shoe was on the other foot they would be yelling and screamng very loud. They cant see inside and they have no right to Judge and when they do they judge themselves and are too found guilty for as the yjudge so are they judged.

Joh 8:15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
Joh 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

and there will be much weaping and gnashing of teeth.

FHII · Jan 21, 2017

I might be missing your point. But I am sure on mine. Very strange that I gave you a nod of support, and yet you say I am missing the point. No real problem. Just interesting.

I have long forgotten the questions of the OP. But I will state my stance once again:

Homosexuality is a sin. It is a sin of the flesh. All sins of the flesh are covered by grace. But you must have faith in Jesus to be covered by grace.

Once you have faith your iniquities are forgiven and your sins are covered.

As for the homosexual, i will ask him or her about their allegiance to to God. I am not interested in their short comings.

Likewise, I expect no homosexual Christian to bother me about my my admiration for hot looking women and I call anyone else who has a problem with that a hypocrite.

And if anyone has a problem with that.... I challenge you to let me ask you 5 questions. I will break you down!

I am nearing the end of my paricipation in this thread. If there is any. Gay person who if following this... I tell you that there are other things to talk about. I want to talk to you about Jesus and his grace. I want to talk about you beinf a king and a priest in the world to come.

I defend grace.

mjrhealth · Jan 21, 2017

I defend grace.

Hmm, all good. Grace doesnt need defending it need promoting, ptiy so many think it only applies to the righteous.

Luk 5:31 And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.
Luk 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

And now the yelling starts.

Wormwood · Jan 22, 2017

FHII said:
Sure... He didn't care much for religious hypocracy. We see that in Mat 23. He also didn't take rejection well (rejection of Him or his disciples), which is in Mat 10. He said that whosoever shall kill, be angry at his brother without cause or say raca shall be in danger of judgment, but whosoever shall say thou fool shall be in danger of hell fire. (Mat 5)

And he said whosever shall break the least of his commandments shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven. (Mat 5). So where do you want to go from there seeing as how he didn't have much to say about homosexuality?

He also hung out with publicans, sinners, prostitutes and an accountant. Now which one was the devil? The accountant!

He also hung out with thieves, by the way.

As for the earthly judicial system... I agree with it in an earthly sense (soeaking of the one in my home country of the U.S.). But God's is much different. We applaud religious tolerance. God doesn't. So that whole portion of your discussion is meaningless.

First, I understand Jesus spent time with sinners. Yet, as I pointed out previously, he did so because these were the ones who knew they were sinful and needed cleansing. Jesus did not endorse or embrace those who excused or refused to repent of their sin. Almost all the Gospels summarize the preaching of Jesus as, "Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." It seems you and mj want to rewrite that message to be, "Celebrate your sin, because Jesus will like you more than if you try to live a holy life." This is a complete misrepresentation of the message and work of Jesus.

Second, Jesus did not say much about homosexuality because he was ministering to the Jewish community. If you do any kind of historical research on Judaism, you will find that Jews always completely and without reservation condemned homosexual activity. Why would Jesus preach on a topic that was already understood and accepted by the community to which he was speaking? For that matter, Jesus doesn't say much about stealing either. Are you suggesting that this means he felt such sins were inconsequential? The fact of the matter is, both the OT and the NT Epistles have much to say on the topic of abortion. And since the Bible is God's word and Jesus is God, then I'd say Jesus did say quite a bit on the issue, especially when his people were tempted by cultures that embraced and celebrated such acts (as ours does today).

Your religious tolerance comparison makes no sense to me. Look, its quite simple. Jesus on multiple occasions points out that some sins will receive greater punishment. Yes or no?

Wormwood · Jan 22, 2017

mjrhealth said:
YEs you look at the outside , so blind. You know what corruption is, you shoudl look it up and stop condeming the world and yourself with it.

I know this is your attempt to sound profound, but its ridiculous. You are trying to compare a sinful behavior with a genetic or physical disability which is both insulting to the disabled and intellectual irresponsible.

How is it that saying a behavior is sinful and should not be celebrated or defended, in your eyes, arrogant and judgmental? Is homosexuality sinful? Yes or no? (and please don't go on with the whole...we are all sinful, who will cast the first stone, bit. Is it sinful nor not.)

mjrhealth · Jan 22, 2017

I know this is your attempt to sound profound, but its ridiculous. You are trying to compare a sinful behavior with a genetic or physical disability which is both insulting to the disabled and intellectual irresponsible

Thats just the way a legalsit would think, just the lteh phariisees so ready to condemn the women. You cant see the inside wormwood, you dont know why they behve as they do, You judge by your flesh and condemn your self, You should be so glad to be born normal.

Job 40:1 Moreover the LORD answered Job, and said,
Job 40:2 Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it.
Job 40:3 Then Job answered the LORD, and said,
Job 40:4 Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth.
Job 40:5 Once have I spoken; but I will not answer: yea, twice; but I will proceed no further.
Job 40:6 Then answered the LORD unto Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
Job 40:7 Gird up thy loins now like a man: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.
Job 40:8 Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous?
Job 40:9 Hast thou an arm like God? or canst thou thunder with a voice like him?
Job 40:10 Deck thyself now with majesty and excellency; and array thyself with glory and beauty.
Job 40:11 Cast abroad the rage of thy wrath: and behold every one that is proud, and abase him.
Job 40:12 Look on every one that is proud, and bring him low; and tread down the wicked in their place.
Job 40:13 Hide them in the dust together; and bind their faces in secret.
Job 40:14 Then will I also confess unto thee that thine own right hand can save thee.
Job 40:15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
Job 40:16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.
Job 40:17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
Job 40:18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.
Job 40:19 He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.
Job 40:20 Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.
Job 40:21 He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.
Job 40:22 The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.
Job 40:23 Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.
Job 40:24 He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.

Can you???

Wormwood · Jan 22, 2017

mjrhealth said:
Thats just the way a legalsit would think, just the lteh phariisees so ready to condemn the women. You cant see the inside wormwood, you dont know why they behve as they do, You judge by your flesh and condemn your self, You should be so glad to be born normal.

Job 40:1 Moreover the LORD answered Job, and said,
Job 40:2 Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it.
Job 40:3 Then Job answered the LORD, and said,
Job 40:4 Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth.
Job 40:5 Once have I spoken; but I will not answer: yea, twice; but I will proceed no further.
Job 40:6 Then answered the LORD unto Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
Job 40:7 Gird up thy loins now like a man: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.
Job 40:8 Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous?
Job 40:9 Hast thou an arm like God? or canst thou thunder with a voice like him?
Job 40:10 Deck thyself now with majesty and excellency; and array thyself with glory and beauty.
Job 40:11 Cast abroad the rage of thy wrath: and behold every one that is proud, and abase him.
Job 40:12 Look on every one that is proud, and bring him low; and tread down the wicked in their place.
Job 40:13 Hide them in the dust together; and bind their faces in secret.
Job 40:14 Then will I also confess unto thee that thine own right hand can save thee.
Job 40:15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
Job 40:16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.
Job 40:17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
Job 40:18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.
Job 40:19 He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.
Job 40:20 Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.
Job 40:21 He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.
Job 40:22 The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.
Job 40:23 Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.
Job 40:24 He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.

Can you???

First, I noticed you refused to answer my question. Are you a homosexual? Is that why this issue causes you such ire?

Second, I have not condemned anyone. I have never consigned anyone here to hell. I simply have said that homosexuality is a sin that should be repented of. How is this a sin on my part? Is it sinful for me to say murder is wrong? Am I being a legalist for making such a statement? No, I think the issue here is that you approve of homosexuality and perhaps even practice it and this is why you take such offense at my declaring the behavior to be contrary to God's desires.

Third, I am not contending with God. If anyone is contending with God, it is you. You are the one who is upset about something God has stated. I am simply affirming what God has said to be true. Again, I have condemned no one and neither am I at odds with God. Rather, I am affirming what God has said and only hope you and others would do the same. It is not for me to judge you or anyone else, yet God;s word is clear. Lets not pretend it is not.

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