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This Nothing you are referring to is simply something that we are unable to perceive by our limited senses or theories right now.
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Well, I just scanned the the blog entry and at first glance found it to be a mere summary of Aquinas’ “Quinque viæ”. Now, personally I think Aquinas was brilliant, but if he had found ‘proof’ for God’s existence, we would not still discuss it today.Administrator said:Ever heard somebody say, “You can’t prove God?” Turns out, that’s not true. You can. Here’s how.
Head over to geekychristin.com to read the blog post. http://geekychristian.com/proof-for-god/
Do you agree or disagree with this argument. I for one believe it absolutely.
[SIZE=12pt]If you can spare the time, here’s a (imho) brilliant and mind-boggling lecture of Keith Ward about the “religion and the quantum world”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4VjaoVHqNk[/SIZE]River Jordan said:Quantum mechanics shows that things pop into and out of existence, out of nothing.
Again it is not so much as convincing me that God exists but Using Natural theology is does show me some things about God that are implied in Scripture such as God being Infinite, Unchanging, Uncaused. To me those attributes show me some of God's Greatness. They really should be meditated upon.lforrest said:What convinces me the most is not some argument, but personal experience. I've had things happen that would be nearly statisticly impossible without divine intervention. If I remember correctly statistical impossibilities are probabilties less than 1 E -50, the probability of the event occurring randomly was about 1 E -25. That's good enough for me.
lforrest said:I suggest moving this topic to the non-Christian section and merging Village Athiest's posts into it. It would promote better discussion.
Yes, It was deleted not due to any Insecurities but due to the fact that this is a christian site and having issues with you faith and seeking answers is one thing but to be illogical and blaspheme is another thing. There are lots of other sites that give a forum to voice Atheistic beliefs but this is not one of them. Apologetic should be used to help someone truly seeking answers and looking for God not to be debated like who has the best football team. The problem with some Apologetics today is that we just try to win arguments. We need to realize that when we give a rational defense for our faith it should be used to praise God and edify one another and help those truly seeking answers.junobet said:I agree. Alas, it seems the thread he tried to start on this has been deleted. If I were him I'd probably see such unwillingness for debate as a sign of insecurity. Not exactly the way to promote our faith. Surely Christian apologetics can do better than this.
I totally disagree with your statement. Jesus came down to earth and was God in the flesh and performed many miracles and yet we still discuss that today. The problem is that no matter what proof in logic or evidence you have in reality people have free will and will always choose to believe or to not believe even if that means declaring something can come from nothing or watching Christ ascend into heaven and still denying him. All we can do as believers is plant a seed and God will do the watering.junobet said:Well, I just scanned the the blog entry and at first glance found it to be a mere summary of Aquinas’ “Quinque viæ”. Now, personally I think Aquinas was brilliant, but if he had found ‘proof’ for God’s existence, we would not still discuss it today.
[SIZE=medium]Well, Aquinas always presented all objections to an argument, that is what scholasticism is all about, isn’t it? Actually I was seriously contemplating to take Village Atheist’s thread as an occasion to brush up on the whole ipsum esse subsistens and actus purus stuff. Even though reading Aquinas brings my brain close to its melting point, I surely would have found it spiritually edifying. And maybe Village Atheist could have profited, too. [/SIZE]Administrator said:Yes, It was deleted not due to any Insecurities but due to the fact that this is a christian site and having issues with you faith and seeking answers is one thing but to be illogical and blaspheme is another thing. There are lots of other sites that give a forum to voice Atheistic beliefs but this is not one of them. Apologetic should be used to help someone truly seeking answers and looking for God not to be debated like who has the best football team. The problem with some Apologetics today is that we just try to win arguments. We need to realize that when we give a rational defense for our faith it should be used to praise God and edify one another and help those truly seeking answers.
Administrator said:I totally disagree with your statement. Jesus came down to earth and was God in the flesh and performed many miracles and yet we still discuss that today. The problem is that no matter what proof in logic or evidence you have in reality people have free will and will always choose to believe or to not believe even if that means declaring something can come from nothing or watching Christ ascend into heaven and still denying him. All we can do as believers is plant a seed and God will do the watering.