This Nothing you are referring to is simply something that we are unable to perceive by our limited senses or theories right now.
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Again the statement Every effect has a cause is an Analytical Truth and if it is denied it is illogical. What you have stated would be an example of Backward Causation but the law of Causality still holds true again because it is an Analytical truth. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/causation-backwards/
As far as God being a necessary being and the argument that then all evil was created by God has been refuted by Saint Aquinas and many others. Feel free to do a Google search on it.
Classical Theology fits with Logical and biblical data. And is actually undeniable as was stated above.
There are many theories of QM that do not refute Classical Theology but you have choose the one that does. So again when Science goes against what the bible and Logic states then as Christians we should steer clear of it. I think you should spend more time in Prayer and theology and spend less time on wild speculations in Theoretical physics. Best of Luck to you.
As far as God being a necessary being and the argument that then all evil was created by God has been refuted by Saint Aquinas and many others. Feel free to do a Google search on it.
Classical Theology fits with Logical and biblical data. And is actually undeniable as was stated above.
There are many theories of QM that do not refute Classical Theology but you have choose the one that does. So again when Science goes against what the bible and Logic states then as Christians we should steer clear of it. I think you should spend more time in Prayer and theology and spend less time on wild speculations in Theoretical physics. Best of Luck to you.
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It takes great faith on the part of the Atheist to abandon logic and trust in a shaky theory, all to affirm their hopes that there is no God. But in their mind it is a given that there is no God, their own imaginations are their god of the gaps. They will construct their arguments like houses of cards to try and answer these difficult questions. When the multitude of possibilities lays before them it gives rise to even greater faith that there is no God.
In the face of such faith arguments are meaningless. But at least God is further justified by their repeated rejections; they will have nothing to say when they bow before him condemned.
In the face of such faith arguments are meaningless. But at least God is further justified by their repeated rejections; they will have nothing to say when they bow before him condemned.
Well, I just scanned the the blog entry and at first glance found it to be a mere summary of Aquinas’ “Quinque viæ”. Now, personally I think Aquinas was brilliant, but if he had found ‘proof’ for God’s existence, we would not still discuss it today.Administrator said:
The question is: however clever a philosopher may be, can a contingent human brain living and thinking in a physical world ever prove non-contingent metaphysical being and should we even attempt to (Aquinas did indeed not attempt to ‘prove’ God, but saw His existence as a given).
I deem it reasonable to believe in God's existence, but I’d say we can no more ‘prove’ that God exists, than anybody can ‘prove’ that God does not exist. And that is fine with me. As Bonhoefer said: “A God who let us prove his existence would be an idol.”
[SIZE=12pt]If you can spare the time, here’s a (imho) brilliant and mind-boggling lecture of Keith Ward about the “religion and the quantum world”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4VjaoVHqNk[/SIZE]River Jordan said:
[SIZE=12pt] The short summary - and I hope I got it right: Ward thinks that the findings of quantum physics do indeed support the notion that things only exist when they are being observed and that hence we probably only exist because God observes us.[/SIZE]
I guess what I love about this proof is not so much to convince non-believes that God exists because no matter what proof you have non-believers will still refute it. I can tell someone that my car is in the parking lot and even take them down there to see it and still be told by them that actually it is a hologram being projected from an alien spacecraft hovering over the earth.
What I do love about these proofs is as a believer and a realist they give me absolute proof that the God of the bible is reasonable.. By using undeniable first principles of Logic and reality I can know somethings about God that complements and strengthen my bible study. For instance when I read Psalms 145:3 :Great is the Lord and greatly to be praised and His greatness is unsearchable. Having meditated on the first principles of reality I know that this God is the uncaused .pure actual infinite being and my finite brain cannot wrap or comprehend his endless Goodness and Greatness.
What I do love about these proofs is as a believer and a realist they give me absolute proof that the God of the bible is reasonable.. By using undeniable first principles of Logic and reality I can know somethings about God that complements and strengthen my bible study. For instance when I read Psalms 145:3 :Great is the Lord and greatly to be praised and His greatness is unsearchable. Having meditated on the first principles of reality I know that this God is the uncaused .pure actual infinite being and my finite brain cannot wrap or comprehend his endless Goodness and Greatness.
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What convinces me the most is not some argument, but personal experience. I've had things happen that would be nearly statisticly impossible without divine intervention. If I remember correctly statistical impossibilities are probabilties less than 1 E -50, the probability of the event occurring randomly was about 1 E -25. That's good enough for me.
Again it is not so much as convincing me that God exists but Using Natural theology is does show me some things about God that are implied in Scripture such as God being Infinite, Unchanging, Uncaused. To me those attributes show me some of God's Greatness. They really should be meditated upon.lforrest said:
But I do agree with you I have too had experiences that would not be possible without divine intervention. 
Praise the Lord.
Praise the Lord.lforrest said:
I agree. Alas, it seems the thread he tried to start on this has been deleted. If I were him I'd probably see such unwillingness for debate as a sign of insecurity. Not exactly the way to promote our faith. Surely Christian apologetics can do better than this.
Yes, It was deleted not due to any Insecurities but due to the fact that this is a christian site and having issues with you faith and seeking answers is one thing but to be illogical and blaspheme is another thing. There are lots of other sites that give a forum to voice Atheistic beliefs but this is not one of them. Apologetic should be used to help someone truly seeking answers and looking for God not to be debated like who has the best football team. The problem with some Apologetics today is that we just try to win arguments. We need to realize that when we give a rational defense for our faith it should be used to praise God and edify one another and help those truly seeking answers.junobet said:
I totally disagree with your statement. Jesus came down to earth and was God in the flesh and performed many miracles and yet we still discuss that today. The problem is that no matter what proof in logic or evidence you have in reality people have free will and will always choose to believe or to not believe even if that means declaring something can come from nothing or watching Christ ascend into heaven and still denying him. All we can do as believers is plant a seed and God will do the watering.junobet said:
[SIZE=medium]Well, Aquinas always presented all objections to an argument, that is what scholasticism is all about, isn’t it? Actually I was seriously contemplating to take Village Atheist’s thread as an occasion to brush up on the whole ipsum esse subsistens and actus purus stuff. Even though reading Aquinas brings my brain close to its melting point, I surely would have found it spiritually edifying. And maybe Village Atheist could have profited, too. [/SIZE]Administrator said:
[SIZE=medium]However, it’s not me who runs this board and I fully accept that it’s not my decision to make. [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=medium]I’m afraid I totally disagree with your statement that faith is a matter of choice. I’m of the old-school protestant opinion that faith is a matter of God’s grace. It’s an undeserved gift (Eph 2:8). Nothing in our salvation is of our own doing and it is Him who plants the seeds. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]As for ‘proof’, please remember John 20:29: [/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]“Is it because you’ve seen me that you have believed? How blessed are those who have never seen me and yet have believed!”[/SIZE]
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