70 weeks are determined

jeffweeder · Dec 24, 2007

"Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place.
70 WEEKS and Jesus would bring in all this, not just some of them.Jesus did not fail to accomplish all this. He has won and is seated at Gods right hand. This means the 70 weeks must be over .
25 "So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress.
so 69 weeks pass without a hitch and Jesus arrives in the 70th week on time.The people at the time of John the Baptist, were in expectation of the fullfillment of the prophecy,
lk 3So he began saying to the crowds who were going out to be baptized by him, "You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Now while the people were in a state of expectation and all were wondering in their hearts about John, as to whether he was the Christ,
John was told of the official time of Messiahs arrival, by the Holy Spirit resting and remaining on the one.This started Jesus Ministry in which he was to be cut off 1/2 way through the 70 week. his ministry was indeed 31/2 years long.26
"Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.
After the 69 week, which makes it the 70 week he was killed and rome came in and desolated. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.
27 "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering;
The HE that makes a FIRM cov for the last week appears to Jesus-- With the lords supper, (the firmest of covs) ,and the middle of the 70 week ---(3 1/2 year ministry) saw him die and put an end to sacrifice and sin offerings.The latter 1/2 of the week is attributed to the continueing of the work by the disciples--(to the Jew first ministry that Jesus began) and possibly ended with the conversion of Cornelius--the first Gentile, when the mission went to all the people. This ends their 70 weeks, and brings in the times of the gentiles.
and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."
The Gospel must be preached to all tongues and then the end will come.We know Jesus gained the victory for his people at the cross, and seeing as messiah arrives after the 7 and 62 weeks, he must of done his work in the 70th....and what a mighty work it was.It is finished.What do you all think?Gods best blessings to you all.

Christina · Dec 24, 2007

there are only 69 weeks of 7 complete the 70th week was not fulfilled at this timehttp://endtimepilgrim.org/70wks8.htm

jeffweeder · Dec 24, 2007

there are only 69 weeks of 7 complete the 70th week was not fulfilled at this time
so in what week did messiah--;
to finish the transgression,to make an end of sin,to make atonement for iniquity,to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place.
You had 69 unbroken weeks till messiah, but 70 weeks for those things to be determined.Either messiah came and did nothing, or he was raised from the dead and determined those things.

Christina · Dec 24, 2007

check the link for math break down math is not my thing but it is obviously not finished until the End after his second coming he says its done

jeffweeder · Dec 24, 2007

I found it a little confusing.Daniel saw from Jeremiah that the 70 years were coming to an end, so he got to praying.Gabriel gives an answer to his prayer and says it will be 7 times that long before Messiah comes and brings in the things he was praying for.It was obviously done by Messiah at the cross.If 1 week is future, then the decree would be 350 weeks of years and counting.The 70 years came to end after 70 years and the 70 weeks came to an end after 70 weeks.Can you have a go yourself in answering my qu in my 2nd post please.

jeffweeder · Dec 24, 2007

Now He said to them, "These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled." 45 Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, 46 and He said to them, "Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
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stone · Dec 25, 2007

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70 WEEKS and Jesus would bring in all this, not just some of them.Jesus did not fail to accomplish all this. He has won and is seated at Gods right hand. This means the 70 weeks must be over .so 69 weeks pass without a hitch and Jesus arrives in the 70th week on time.The people at the time of John the Baptist, were in expectation of the fullfillment of the prophecy, John was told of the official time of Messiahs arrival, by the Holy Spirit resting and remaining on the one.This started Jesus Ministry in which he was to be cut off 1/2 way through the 70 week. his ministry was indeed 31/2 years long.26 After the 69 week, which makes it the 70 week he was killed and rome came in and desolated. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined. The HE that makes a FIRM cov for the last week appears to Jesus-- With the lords supper, (the firmest of covs) ,and the middle of the 70 week ---(3 1/2 year ministry) saw him die and put an end to sacrifice and sin offerings.The latter 1/2 of the week is attributed to the continueing of the work by the disciples--(to the Jew first ministry that Jesus began) and possibly ended with the conversion of Cornelius--the first Gentile, when the mission went to all the people. This ends their 70 weeks, and brings in the times of the gentiles. The Gospel must be preached to all tongues and then the end will come.We know Jesus gained the victory for his people at the cross, and seeing as messiah arrives after the 7 and 62 weeks, he must of done his work in the 70th....and what a mighty work it was.It is finished.What do you all think?Gods best blessings to you all.
Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holycity, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to makereconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, andto seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of thecommandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Princeshall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall bebuilt again, and the wall, even in troublous times.Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, butnot for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroythe city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, andunto the end of the war desolations are determined.Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and inthe midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation tocease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate,even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon thedesolate.You see Dan. 9:24, where it says to bring in everlastion righteousness. That never happened yet. There is still much evil in the world.The 70 weeks of punishment on Israel in Dan. 9 are shown in more detail inDan. 11. Dan. 11:2-20 is about the time period of the 69 weeks. The last 7 years is Dan. 11:21 till Dan.12:4.The angel Gabriel told Daniel that 70 weeks of punishment for iniquity wouldbe visited upon Israel for her sins. That is referring to 70 weeks of yearsor 70 times 7 years. Dan. 9:24 shows these are years of punishment.The first 69 years of this punishment on Israel happen before Messiah comes.Then it says that Messiah would be killed, Dan.9:26, and in the same verseit tells that the people that the antichrist (the prince that shall come)will come from, will destroy the city and the sancturary. The Romans didthat in 70AD. This shows that the antichrist will be a Roman prince orruler. Notice, that there is an historical break of over 1900 years in thatone verse, going from the death of Jesus, to the prince that shall come, theantichrist. 69 of the 70 weeks of years had passed, and there is one 7 yearperiod of punishment on Israel left.[The reason for this over 1900 year break in time is because as it says inDaniel 9:24, the seventy weeks are determined upon the Jews and Jerusalem.It must be fulfilled when the Jews are a nation and living in Jerusalem.From around AD 70 onward, the Jews were a scattered people and not a nationliving at Jerusalem. So only the 69 weeks could be fulfilled till that time.In Dan. 9:26 it tells of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD and it saysdesolations are determined. This is the period that Israel will be desolatefor over 1900 years. Israel became a nation again in 1948 and got control ofJerusalem in 1967. Now the remaining last week of 7 years can be fulfilled.Week number 70.]Dan. 9:27 shows that this prince that shall come, the antichrist, will makea 7 year covenant with Israel, and in the middle of the 7 years, he willcause the sacrifice and oblation that Israel offers to God to stop, and forthe abominations, in those days, the antichrist shall make desolation ordestruction even until the end of the world. The time of that 7 yearcovenant is the final 7 years till the end of the world called thetribulation period. The last 3 and a half years of it are called the greattribulation, by Jesus in Matt. 24.

jeffweeder · Dec 25, 2007

You see Dan. 9:24, where it says to bring in everlastion righteousness. That never happened yet. There is still much evil in the world.
I dont believe you can seperate them, as the decree is 70 weeks for all of those points.I am trying to show that Messiah would appear after the 7 and 62 weeks--=483 years.That puts Jesus in the 70 week.I believe Jesus death and ressurection bought fulfillment for all of those points and his work is done .Would you agree that only Messiah could fulfill these below; Could he have not fulfilled any of those points by his ressurection from the dead?
to finish the transgression,to make an end of sin,to make atonement for iniquity,to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place.
This was the work that messiah came to do and i believe that he accomplished this at the cross, as these scriptures suggest;JN 17
I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do. 5 "Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
lk 24
"These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled."
I dont understand why you think that the 70 weeks are about punishment.They were just coming out of punishment of the 70 years captivity, and daniels pray was about God being Favourable.
In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, of Median descent, who was made king over the kingdom of the Chaldeans— 2 in the first year of his reign, I, Daniel, observed in the books the number of the years which was revealed as the word of the LORD to Jeremiah the prophet for the completion of the desolations of Jerusalem, namely, seventy years. 3 So I gave my attention to the Lord God to seek Him by prayer and supplications, with fasting, sackcloth and ashes.
I call Gabriel the Angel Of Redemption as he brings this decree and promise that Messiah was coming to bring it in.
Now while I was speaking and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God in behalf of the holy mountain of my God, 21 while I was still speaking in prayer, then the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision previously, came to me in my extreme weariness about the time of the evening offering. 22 He gave me instruction and talked with me and said, "O Daniel, I have now come forth to give you insight with understanding. 23 "At the beginning of your supplications the command was issued, and I have come to tell you, for you are highly esteemed; so give heed to the message and gain understanding of the vision.
Gabriel is there again ,guiding Mary and Joseph to prepare the way when Jesus was to be born.The Gospel is preached to us because Jesus has accomplished this Redemption.

stone · Dec 26, 2007

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I dont believe you can seperate them, as the decree is 70 weeks for all of those points.I am trying to show that Messiah would appear after the 7 and 62 weeks--=483 years.That puts Jesus in the 70 week.I believe Jesus death and ressurection bought fulfillment for all of those points and his work is done .Would you agree that only Messiah could fulfill these below; Could he have not fulfilled any of those points by his ressurection from the dead?This was the work that messiah came to do and i believe that he accomplished this at the cross, as these scriptures suggest;JN 17lk 24I dont understand why you think that the 70 weeks are about punishment.They were just coming out of punishment of the 70 years captivity, and daniels pray was about God being Favourable.I call Gabriel the Angel Of Redemption as he brings this decree and promise that Messiah was coming to bring it in. Gabriel is there again ,guiding Mary and Joseph to prepare the way when Jesus was to be born.The Gospel is preached to us because Jesus has accomplished this Redemption.
Jesus is going to come back, the second coming, and then the rest of the prophecies about Messiah will be fulfilled, after He comes back.Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. When Jesus comes back, Peter said this will happen:2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 2 Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?That never happened yet. The last week of 7 years and the return of Jesus to fulfill the rest of the prophecies, is still in the future.

jeffweeder · Dec 26, 2007

hello stone.Amen that Jesus comes again, but the decree didnt require that Jesus had to come in his second coming, but in his first.It doesnt mention the lords coming a second time ,but the people of the prince would come and desolate it and destroy the temple. Rome did that within a generation of Jesus being cut off.
"Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.
This is explained more fully in the next passage.
"And he [/B]will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."
The "HE" that makes a FIRM covenant is Jesus.Antichrist is not likely to make a firm covenant, but a dodgey one.Jesus Takes up where daniel left off and explains this desolation in luke 21;
But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near. 21 "Then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those who are in the midst of the city must leave, and those who are in the country must not enter the city; 22 because these are days of vengeance, so that all things which are written will be fulfilled. 23 "Woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days; for there will be great distress upon the land and wrath to this people; 24 and they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. The Return of Christ 25 "There will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth dismay among nations, in perplexity at the roaring of the sea and the waves, 26 men fainting from fear and the expectation of the things which are coming upon the world; for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27 "Then they will see THE SON OF MAN COMING IN A CLOUD with power and great glory
When Jesus comes the heavens and the earth pass away and there is no time to do anything...his work is before him.

Christina · Dec 26, 2007

But it does require he come again Jeff he still has work to complete as Ez tells us this is the time of the church (gentiles/10 lost tribes) he still has to bring the Jews (Judah)two sticks back togetherunder Christ he has put a stupor upon the Jews during this church age.Eze 37:16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and [for] all the house of Israel his companions: Eze 37:17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand. Eze 37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which [is] in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, [even] with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.This is When it is done when Christ says it is doneRevelation 21:5 "And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful." It is the Heavenly Father talking to John here, and He told John to "write". The words are about Our Lord Jesus Christ, His son. This we know for in Revelation 19:11, Jesus Christ is named "true and faithful".Revelation 21:6 "And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely."

jeffweeder · Dec 27, 2007

I'm sorry, but i dont see what this decree has to do with the 2nd coming.It was about what he would do in his first coming i think.Let us focus on the word given.
"Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place.
We know that Daniel was inspired to pray, as he read from Jeremiah that it was only 70 years of punishment. Here is what he read in Jer 29
"For thus says the LORD, 'When seventy years have been completed for Babylon, I will visit you and fulfill My good word to you, to bring you back to this place.
In the same way within 70 sevens all this would be done.It was done by Messiah through his life ,death ,and ressurection.
to finish the transgression,
.Is 53By oppression and judgment He was taken away; And as for His generation, who considered That He was cut off out of the land of the living For the transgression of my people, to whom the stroke was due? heb 9For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance."make an end to sins" JOHN 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, "Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world HEBREWS 9:26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, he has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. "make atonement for iniquity" ISAIAH 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned, every one, to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. ROMANS 3:25 God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished HEBREWS 2:17 For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. 4) "bring in age-lasting righteousness" ISAIAH 53:11 He shall see the fruit of the travail of his soul and be satisfied; by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant, make many to be accounted righteous; and he shall bear their iniquities. ROMANS 5:17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ. 5) "seal up vision" ISAIAH 29:10 For the LORD has poured out on you the spirit of deep sleep, and has closed your eyes, namely, the prophets; and He has covered your heads, namely, the seers. 11 The whole vision has become to you like the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one who is literate, saying, "Read this, please." And he says, "I cannot, for it is sealed." 12 Then the book is delivered to one who is illiterate, saying, "Read this, please." And he says, "I am not literate." 13 Therefore the LORD said: "Inasmuch as these people draw near with their mouths and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me, and their fear toward Me is taught by the commandment of men, 14 Therefore, behold, I will again do a marvelous work among this people, a marvelous work and a wonder; for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hidden. "seal up prophecy" ROMANS 11:7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written: "God has given them a spirit of stupor, eyes that they should not see and ears that they should not hear, to this very day." 9 And David says: "Let their table become a snare and a trap, a stumbling block and a recompense to them. 10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see, and bow down their back always. "anoint the most holy" LUKE 4:18 "The Spirit of the LORD is upon me, because He has anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressedACTS 10:38 "How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.The decree was all about redemption and Jesus has done it.It was the fulfillment of this decree that opened the door to the Gentiles.

Christina · Dec 27, 2007

Well you are mistaken that its about his first coming sense it obviously has not happened yetYou are not rightly diving the first and second advents so even though you are correct on some things you are wrong on others so your full picture is being warped.The first coming was to divide not to join the Jews and Christains are not united under Christ This does not start to happen until after the Abomination of Desolation comitted by Antichrist and that hasnt happened yet.there are three parts of this age the first part was about the hebrews (Jews) the second part is about the gentiles (church) the last part is about seperating the wheat from the shaff and bringing all together under Christ (joining the two sticks)

jeffweeder · Dec 28, 2007

But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by[11][Or in ] the blood of Christ. 14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, 15 by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, 16 and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity. 17 AND HE CAME AND PREACHED PEACE TO YOU WHO WERE FAR AWAY, AND PEACE TO THOSE WHO WERE NEAR; 18 for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints[16][Or holy ones ], and are of God's household, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.
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Christina · Dec 28, 2007

Jeff you might be able to understand this better if you understand more about the Ten lost tribes going across the caucuses MT.into Scotland Ireland and spreading across Europe the tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh becoming Britain and the U.S. Thus when you read prophesy you have to understand who they are talking about Judah is current day Israel when it talks of the whole house of Israel it is refering to all twelve tribes (us and the jews) Jacobs Pillar(pillow) of Jacobs ladder dream rest under the throne of Scotland, England it was carried there by the remnant of the Ten lost tribes.It is for this reason we come to see that Judah and Ephriam (and the other tribes which became christians) are seperate and have been sense shorly after the death on the cross So the two sticks are still seprate this is a future prochecy not a past event See link http://www.christianityboard.com/jacobs-la...t=Jacobs+ladder

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