The Nature of God

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StanJ said:
Thanks for your kind words Michael, but we are all sinners and Jesus is the difference between those who don't have him and those who are saved by grace. I've always wanted to go to Scotland but I'm pretty sure that will never happen. I pray you have an exciting time discovering things about your ancestors but remember it's not where we come from that counts but where we are going to.
Amen, brother.
 

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tom55 said:
What does it mean to be born again?

How do YOU define the word Catholic?
Being born again is receiving the Spirit of God who makes our spirit alive once more from the dead. Its becoming a new creation, receiving the breath of life from God as Adam did. Its accomplished when the Lord gives us faith to believe Him (He does this through His Spirit electively.) It demonstrates God's grace in that its a free gift received by faith. We did nothing to be born the first time and we do nothing to be born again the second time. We are adopted children who were once under the power of sin, but have found power to resist sin, and we have been given grace in total forgiveness through the blood of our Savior, the blood of the eternal covenant, Sanctified and set apart to Jesus Christ for praise and for love. Unfortunately, we have our feet in two worlds (metaphorically) the world of the flesh and the world of the Spirit, and this makes us get dirty occasionally, but the word of God is a cleansing laver and grace is abundant to the sons of God.

Catholic: universal.
 

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דוד חֵן (David) said:
My post about the nature of God is apparently being hijacked.
Well, not really. Just curious, did you ever have a dream where you received a stone with a name on it and was it Judah by any chance?
 

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Michael V Pardo said:
Well, not really. Just curious, did you ever have a dream where you received a stone with a name on it and was it Judah by any chance?
I receive dreams and visions, does it surprises you? Dreams and visions are not the Spirit of prophecy. "The spirit of prophecy is the testimony of Yeshua the Messiah." The gift of prophecy is knowing true gospel of Yeshua and knowing his will and his truth.
 

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I don't even tell anyone anything I was shown because I was never told to do so. The gift of prophecy has little to do with visions. The true Gospel of Yeshua the Messiah and knowing the will and truth of the Messiah, our God. (Testimony of Yeshua the Messiah) Visions come only to guide occasionally.

FAKE PROPHECIES COME FROM PEOPLE TRYING TO SELL BOOKS AND BE FAMOUS AND RICH!
 

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דוד חֵן (David) said:
I don't even tell anyone anything I was shown because I was never told to do so. The gift of prophecy has little to do with visions. The true Gospel of Yeshua the Messiah and knowing the will and truth of the Messiah, our God. (Testimony of Yeshua the Messiah) Visions come only to guide occasionally.

FAKE PROPHECIES COME FROM PEOPLE TRYING TO SELL BOOKS AND BE FAMOUS AND RICH!
I'll accept that, but I'm not the least surprised. I had a dream, not that long ago, that I heard a voice say to me "go ahead" and having had lucid dreams before I wanted to fly, so I did. I flew over the trees and upward without it ever affecting my breathing. I entered the darkness of space and flew toward a bright object, a city of light, then my alarm clock went off and I had to go to work. I love flying dreams, especially with exotic destinations.
I was asking an honest question, and just wanted to see if you were one in 12,000, or believed yourself to be something else.
 

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Michael V Pardo said:
Being born again is receiving the Spirit of God who makes our spirit alive once more from the dead. Its becoming a new creation, receiving the breath of life from God as Adam did. Its accomplished when the Lord gives us faith to believe Him (He does this through His Spirit electively.) It demonstrates God's grace in that its a free gift received by faith. We did nothing to be born the first time and we do nothing to be born again the second time. We are adopted children who were once under the power of sin, but have found power to resist sin, and we have been given grace in total forgiveness through the blood of our Savior, the blood of the eternal covenant, Sanctified and set apart to Jesus Christ for praise and for love. Unfortunately, we have our feet in two worlds (metaphorically) the world of the flesh and the world of the Spirit, and this makes us get dirty occasionally, but the word of God is a cleansing laver and grace is abundant to the sons of God.

Catholic: universal.
Thank you.

It is common to use a large "C" when referring to the Church and a small "c" when referring to all Christians (universal). You were using the large "C" so I wanted to clarify.
 

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דוד חֵן (David) said:
I AM WHO I AM – The Nature of the Almighty
Who is God? What is God’s nature? Humans struggle on comprehending the nature of God because of their human conscious and the way they insist on attributing human limitations upon God. They then wonder why they could never understand God, scripture, nor any theological subject with complete clarity. Humans have a tendency to be presumptuous, not knowing the nature of God but yet tried to explain away from their ignorance; lacking proof and evidence. [appeal to ignorance] Human perception is vulnerable to become deception. The scripture (Christian bible) is the only paramount evident worthy to be taken as authority and proof. The scripture is the only way to verify and discern the position of doctrines and teachings in the Christian church. [appeal to authority] There is only two position, the absolute truth or falsehood. Truth is under no circumstances ever mixed with lies.
[No lies is of the truth – 1 John 2:21]
The chief figure of Christianity is Jesus Christ. Howbeit, those who avow to be the followers of Christ do not seem capable to distinguish who exactly is Jesus Christ. Different denominations have to a certain extent tried to answer this very question; Who is Jesus, God? Angle? Prophet? Man? While most accept the trinity as the true nature of God and Jesus. There are still some that believe Jesus is an angle, while some believe he is a decent morally man perhaps even a prophet. While the trinity is held as the truth for centuries [appeal to tradition] and as the norm for the majority of Christian churches in the past and today. [appeal to popularity] However, does it actually mean that the trinity is true? Or does the minority count? Does twisted truth count? There is only absolute truth, and no part of false is in truth.
The only Christian way to validate the nature, characteristic, and the being of Jesus is through the scripture. To begin with, the scripture had shown that God is the creator of the heavens and the earth and also of all living creatures, which include humans. God is also in charge of his creation [Genesis]. The scripture furthermore show that God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and omnibenevolent. As for Jesus, the old testament had prophesied of His arrival and virgin birth, the work that He would perform and His authority. He is to be called Emmanuel (God with us) [Isaiah 7:14]. The new testament furthermore shows the miracles and the sign Jesus had performed, the way He is filled with wisdom and yet humble. The way He humbled Himself was became obedient to the Father even unto death on the cross. The scripture portrayed Jesus as sinless and righteous, and pointed towards Him as being the final atonement for sins. To be the redeemer of mankind. Continuing, upon returning to Heaven, Jesus told the disciples that He will ask the Father to send a helper (Holy Spirit) [John 14:16]. The scripture portrayed the Holy Spirit as living in the heart of the believers, as the One who empowers Jesus and the believers. Furthermore, the scripture says anyone who blasphemy the Holy Spirit shall never be forgiven [Matthew 12:31]. Why is it so?
A few things need to be understood regarding God. Firstly, He is referred to as the Ancient of Days in the book of Daniel [Daniel 7:9]. What is meant by that? Days (time) are the creation of God. God is quite literally the Ancient of Days, as in “before” days. God is already there before the creation of days and time. There was no “before”, “now” and “after” before creation, time simplify doesn’t exist. However, God has always existed. A very common question from Christians is: “What was God doing all that time before He created the earth, the heavens and all of creation the living things, angles and humans.”
They are missing the point that there was no time before God created it. Time is a created entity. The first verse of Genesis state that, [In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth – Genesis 1:1]. A closer study later reveal that God created the space-time universe. Matter, and dimensions. Time is only meaningful if physical reality exists and events transpire over/during time. “In the beginning” was when time and creation begin, there was and always is and forever will be God existing before or after creation. As finite and mortal created beings, we can never really understand. Faith is required for us to understand as God reveal it to us, piece by piece. Now, faith is not against reason, but such things go beyond understanding. As the scripture says, [But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. – Hebrews 11:6] God made physical reality, time, space, matter, and even the very concepts that govern the scientific principles of the universe. God is above His creation. He is not subject to any of the constraints of physics, time, location, or dimensions. It is God's very nature to be infinitely dimensional, everywhere located, and containing an ability to have an infinite amount of trains of thought simultaneously.
Secondly, God loves. True love.
True love is different from false love, in that with true love, God rebukes and disciplines. Thirdly, God is Holy. God cannot stand wickedness and sins in His eyes. God is Holy. If Christians love God, they will not do what God hates (sins). God is Holy and righteous, because sins separate us from the blessing of God, we will all die in our sins. God sent His Son, Jesus to be the atonement for our sins. He is the anointed one, the prince and the Messiah spoken throughout scripture and age. Jesus is the Son of God because He was literally born from Mary through the overshadowing of the Most High God [Luke 1:35].
Jesus had memories and had to learn to read and had to study Scripture as we do. He was fully and completely human in every way. That is why he required the anointing of the Holy Spirit during John’s baptism. Jesus said to the Jews, “Before Abraham was, I am”. “I Am Who I Am” was given to Moses when Moses asked for God’s name (In the ancient world, names are sentences and words that shows the characteristic of a being). Jesus was born as a man. He needed the Holy Spirit to empower Him. In John 1:1 the language used is "word" or "logos" in Greek. Logos is a philosophy popular in the time of its writing that John used to explain what Jesus is in relation to God.
Jesus is the logos of God: the manifestation of God's thoughts and words into actual substance.
Scripture. Speaks of Jesus :
"He is the brightness of His [God's ] glory. The expressed manifestation of His person."
From Jesus' perspective, He was human and had memories that went back to being young. He had human limitations and needed the HOLY SPIRIT to empower Him. He subjected Himself to human limitations except for sin.
God has 100% of His attention on every single individual thing simultaneously and separately. He has an infinite amount of trains of thought and can put 100% of His thought into each one. Becoming human isn't very difficult for Him. Scripture is our guidebook to understand God. Scripture is the guide for us to properly worship God. Scripture is the standard behind all of us. The Word of God never contradict itself.
Is this someone else's work?

It looks like a past and cut job with its formatting removed. It is so jumbled I have trouble processing it.

I think I have a slight migraine and it may be hindering my comprehension as well. I will try to read it later when the feeling of head pressure is gone.
 

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kerwin said:
Is this someone else's work?

It looks like a past and cut job with its formatting removed. It is so jumbled I have trouble processing it.

I think I have a slight migraine and it may be hindering my comprehension as well. I will try to read it later when the feeling of head pressure is gone.
I wrote it on Ms word.
 

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דוד חֵן (David) said:
I wrote it on Ms word.
I checked on Google and did not find it so I figured it was your and probably wrote on a word processor instead of a text editor. I will have to address in pieces.
 

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דוד חֵן (David) said:
I AM WHO I AM – The Nature of the Almighty
Who is God? What is God’s nature? Humans struggle on comprehending the nature of God because of their human conscious and the way they insist on attributing human limitations upon God. They then wonder why they could never understand God, scripture, nor any theological subject with complete clarity. Humans have a tendency to be presumptuous, not knowing the nature of God but yet tried to explain away from their ignorance; lacking proof and evidence. [appeal to ignorance] Human perception is vulnerable to become deception. The scripture (Christian bible) is the only paramount evident worthy to be taken as authority and proof. The scripture is the only way to verify and discern the position of doctrines and teachings in the Christian church. [appeal to authority] There is only two position, the absolute truth or falsehood. Truth is under no circumstances ever mixed with lies.
[No lies is of the truth – 1 John 2:21]
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It seems you are speaking of physical nature and God has no more physical nature than does the spirit of Love. He is everywhere creation exist because its existence is dependent on him and not because he is dependent on it like the spirit of love location is dependent on those that Love. (Genesis 1:1, Acts 17:28)

Scripture does not teach us much of the "physical" nature of God though some can be derived.
 

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kerwin said:
It seems you are speaking of physical nature and God has no more physical nature than does the spirit of Love. He is everywhere creation exist because its existence is dependent on him and not because he is dependent on it like the spirit of love location is dependent on those that Love. (Genesis 1:1, Acts 17:28)

Scripture does not teach us much of the "physical" nature of God though some can be derived.
what is the "spirit of love?" I don't recall ever seeing such a thing mentioned in scripture.
 

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Michael V Pardo said:
what is the "spirit of love?" I don't recall ever seeing such a thing mentioned in scripture.
I guess you have not experienced it either and it is really hard to describe especially since I need more experience in it.

Never the less, Scripture does talk about it though I do not think it is addressed as by the words "spirit of love" it. If that is an issue with understanding then use "spirit of jealousy which is literally written in Numbers 5:14.
 

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kerwin said:
I guess you have not experienced it either and it is really hard to describe especially since I need more experience in it.
Never the less, Scripture does talk about it though I do not think it is addressed as by the words "spirit of love" it. If that is an issue with understanding then use "spirit of jealousy which is literally written in Numbers 5:14.
All I see here is double talk. If you're going to assert that the scripture says something, then prove it by quoting the scripture and if you can't quote the scripture then just admit that you were wrong and don't compound the situation by asserting something completely different that just adds to your previous fallacious assertions.
 

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Stan,


StanJ said:
All I see here is double talk. If you're going to assert that the scripture says something, then prove it by quoting the scripture and if you can't quote the scripture then just admit that you were wrong and don't compound the situation by asserting something completely different that just adds to your previous fallacious assertions.
You could have saved words by saying you cannot understand.

I can simplify it by pointing out what I mean.

kerwin said:
It seems you are speaking of physical nature and God has no more physical nature than does the spirit of [Jealousy]. He is everywhere creation exist because its existence is dependent on him and not because he is [not] dependent on it like the spirit of Jealousy's location is dependent on those that are Jealous. (Genesis 1:1, Acts 17:28)

Scripture does not teach us much of the "physical" nature of God though some can be derived.
I swapped out Spirit of Love for Spirit of Jealousy to demonstrate what I meant. The objection is a red herring fallacy but human minds often lead them astray. There was legitimate objection in that I inadvertently dropped a "not" from what I wrote.
 

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Michael V Pardo said:
what is the "spirit of love?" I don't recall ever seeing such a thing mentioned in scripture.
kerwin said:
It seems you are speaking of physical nature and God has no more physical nature than does the spirit of Love. He is everywhere creation exist because its existence is dependent on him and not because he is [not] dependent on it [unlike the spirit of love, which is] dependent on those that Love. (Genesis 1:1, Acts 17:28)

Scripture does not teach us much of the "physical" nature of God though some can be derived.
Opps! I made an few errors though some were just grammar. The dropped "not" is a big one.
 

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kerwin said:
Stan,
You could have saved words by saying you cannot understand.
I can simplify it by pointing out what I mean.
I swapped out Spirit of Love for Spirit of Jealousy to demonstrate what I meant. The objection is a red herring fallacy but human minds often lead them astray. There was legitimate objection in that I inadvertently dropped a "not" from what I wrote.
I have absolutely no idea what you're on about here.
 

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StanJ,

I have no idea what parts you do not understand as what I wrote is summed up in the word God is physically omnipresent.
 

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kerwin said:
StanJ,
I have no idea what parts you do not understand as what I wrote is summed up in the word God is physically omnipresent.
I guess that's because you obfuscate and equivocate so much you even confuse yourself.
You also apparently don't seem to agree with what the Bible says in John 4:24, which I can't say it's surprising seeing as you don't seem to agree with the majority of what the scriptures say.