If not "hated by all" you are NOT a Christian

ScaliaFan · Sep 24, 2016

Jesus told us we would be hated by all. I think that is Mk 13:13 (apropos numbers, huh?)

yeh, if you are a true Christian you are working to get people on the right path to Heaven which involves ruffling feathers

if you are a true Christian you are standing up against abortionists and the abortion-pushing culture, the anti-Christ society we live in, so you will definitely be hated

hey, that reminds me..

Q: Of all the thousands of people who have run for president or are thinking of running, or who have people trying to convince them to run (etc), which ones should u real Christians focus on the most on? which ones should you throw your support behind?

the ones who are "hated by all" of course

Can u think of a candidate who recently was in the news who was HATED by both sides of the news media, meaning the liberal media and on the other side, the not so liberal media?

hint: he was supported by Glenn Beck & Rush Limbaugh and a few others, but not by the so called (or so- thought-of-as) conservative news media

yeh, focus on the ones who are most hated (for the right reasons, of course) and you will be doing God's will supporting that person

give up?

StanJ · Sep 24, 2016

Just more evidence that you have no idea how to understand the Bible within context. Jesus was addressing Jewish disciples within the context of Judaism. He never told YOU, that YOU would be hated by all, He told his disciples that they would be hated by all and that all meant within the Jewish community they lived in.
It's pretty much the same way with somebody from a Catholic household that finds Jesus and realizes just how wrong the Catholic church is, and then they get persecuted for their new found faith by their own families.

epostle1 · Sep 25, 2016

Anti-Catholicism has a long history in America. And as Philip Jenkins argues in The New Anti-Catholicism, this virulent strain of hatred--once thought dead--is alive and well in our nation, but few people seem to notice, or care...

Philip Jenkins is a sociology professor and is NOT Catholic.

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A statement that is seen as racist, misogynistic, anti-Semitic, or homophobic can haunt a speaker for years, writes Jenkins, but it is still possible to make hostile and vituperative public statements about Roman Catholicism without fear of serious repercussions. Jenkins shines a light on anti-Catholic sentiment in American society and illuminates its causes, looking closely at gay and feminist anti-Catholicism, anti-Catholic rhetoric and imagery in the media, and the anti-Catholicism of the academic world. For newspapers and newsmagazines, for television news and in movies, for major book publishers, the Catholic Church has come to provide a grossly stereotyped public villain. Catholic opinions, doctrines, and individual leaders are frequently the butt of harsh satire. Indeed, the notion that the church is a deadly enemy of women--the idea of Catholic misogyny--is commonly accepted in the news media and in popular culture, says Jenkins.

WARNING: The video footage included below is shocking and contains violence and censored nudity. Viewer discretion is advised.
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Mar de Plata, October 13, 2015 (LifeSiteNews) - A horrific and surreal scene unfolded Monday night outside the Cathedral of Mar de Plata in Argentina as hordes of women, many of them masked and half naked, violently assaulted a group of young men who stood outside the Cathedral of Mar de Plata praying and standing watch.
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Matthew 5:10Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, For theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11 “Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. 12 Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

H. Richard · Sep 25, 2016

StanJ said:
Just more evidence that you have no idea how to understand the Bible within context. Jesus was addressing Jewish disciples within the context of Judaism. He never told YOU, that YOU would be hated by all, He told his disciples that they would be hated by all and that all meant within the Jewish community they lived in.
It's pretty much the same way with somebody from a Catholic household that finds Jesus and realizes just how wrong the Catholic church is, and then they get persecuted for their new found faith by their own families.

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People suffer today for the gospel of grace. When it is taught the works crowd assassinate the character of those teaching it. Just as they are doing on this forum. They can not stand the liberty and freedom we have in Christ.

StanJ · Sep 25, 2016

H. Richard said:
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People suffer today for the gospel of grace. When it is taught the works crowd assassinate the character of those teaching it. Just as they are doing on this forum. They can not stand the liberty and freedom we have in Christ.

More equivocation on your part. This thread is about being hated and you equivocate to we will suffer. The two are not the same... we will suffer because Jesus said the servant is not greater than his master and if the master suffers then so will the servant. John 15:20. That's not the same as being hated and shunned buy your own family and friends for accepting Jesus Christ
Nobody is assassinating anybody's character, you're just being shown that you're wrong and obviously you hate being wrong? This is a public forum and if you really think you're going to be able to post your opinions without any push-back, well then you're wrong again, and you're definitely in the wrong place.

epostle1 · Sep 25, 2016

H. Richard said:
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People suffer today for the gospel of grace. When it is taught the works crowd assassinate the character of those teaching it. Just as they are doing on this forum. They can not stand the liberty and freedom we have in Christ.It's obvious who you mean by the works crowd.

anti-Catholic dig #1: Works salvation or works righteousness is a heresy called Pelagianism, condemned by the Church in the 5th century. It is an anti-Catholic myth circulating in most of Protestantism. I'll summarize.
The CC does not teach salvation by works apart from the grace of Christ.

anti-Catholic dig #2. " works crowd assassinate the character of those teaching it." is hateful polemics. You give meaningless generalities, especially not one name, all for the purpose of discrediting "the works crowd". Just because your teachers can't win debates doesn't mean their character has been assassinated.
The differences
and similarities
between anti-Catholics
and some of those listed in post #3
is a matter of degree.

Catholic bashing is a sin, but many are brought up that way so it's not entirely their fault.

brakelite · Sep 26, 2016

@kepha31, I know you have blocked this hateful anti-catholic but that is because of your own egotistical spiritual blindness. I agree with your last post...it IS a sin to be a "Catholic basher". And challenge you to find anywhere in any of my posts where I have attacked any individual Catholic. Disagreed with their opinion and belief system yes, but I am sure that I can speak for most here on this forum, that it is you who is escalating the debate to a personal level through your diversionary tactics. Accuse your adversary of hate crime, so you don't have to give an honest answer to the actual charges against your beliefs. Repeat the usual rhetoric re "Catholic-bashing" in the hope that people will think that those opposed to your religious persuasion do so out of a personal bigoted and prejudiced disagreement with individual Catholics.

The point is this. Anyone who uses the Bible as their sole rule of faith and practice will never and can never agree with Catholic doctrine because Catholics do not use the Bible as the basis for their faith and practice. Catholicism uses both scripture AND tradition. Thus we are often discussing single issues from two distinctly different perspectives. You keep claiming it is a personal attack against Catholics, and you are wrong. Any discussion between Catholicism and true Protestantism is doomed to failure...the two will never agree because it is like baseballers and softballers arguing which is the most true game. Or rugby players arguing with NFL players which is the most true way of playing football. Its senseless because we are two completely different religions.

Te debate isn't about individuals. Its about systems. Stop trying to make it personal.

FHII · Sep 26, 2016

brakelite said:
@kepha31, I know you have blocked this hateful anti-catholic but that is because of your own egotistical spiritual blindness. I agree with your last post...it IS a sin to be a "Catholic basher". And challenge you to find anywhere in any of my posts where I have attacked any individual Catholic. Disagreed with their opinion and belief system yes, but I am sure that I can speak for most here on this forum, that it is you who is escalating the debate to a personal level through your diversionary tactics. Accuse your adversary of hate crime, so you don't have to give an honest answer to the actual charges against your beliefs. Repeat the usual rhetoric re "Catholic-bashing" in the hope that people will think that those opposed to your religious persuasion do so out of a personal bigoted and prejudiced disagreement with individual Catholics.

The point is this. Anyone who uses the Bible as their sole rule of faith and practice will never and can never agree with Catholic doctrine because Catholics do not use the Bible as the basis for their faith and practice. Catholicism uses both scripture AND tradition. Thus we are often discussing single issues from two distinctly different perspectives. You keep claiming it is a personal attack against Catholics, and you are wrong. Any discussion between Catholicism and true Protestantism is doomed to failure...the two will never agree because it is like baseballers and softballers arguing which is the most true game. Or rugby players arguing with NFL players which is the most true way of playing football. Its senseless because we are two completely different religions.

Te debate isn't about individuals. Its about systems. Stop trying to make it personal.

Great post!

epostle1 · Sep 26, 2016

FHII said:
Great post!

No, it isn't. Brakelite is affirming his own irrational anti-Catholicism, says "it is you who is escalating the debate to a personal level through your diversionary tactics" Not once did I refer to any individual. He fails to name what diversionary tactics I am using. I remain on topic. Does he?

Then he brings up red herrings like sola scriptura, (which can't be found anywhere in the Bible) and throws in a few more digs which have NOTHING to do with any of my posts in this thread, AND none of my posts are personal attacks on individuals, especially post #3 that no one dare comment on. His remarks are off topic and hypocritical. The topic is "hated by all" and the Internet is loaded with myths and lies that anti-Catholic "Bible-Christians" spew constantly. He is one of them. Te debate isn't about individuals. Its about systems. Stop trying to make it personal. Is this a joke? Where have I done that? Feeling convicted of prejudice? I have a list of reasons why I have him on ignore.

I can have a civilized debate with anyone on any topic, but there is no debating with hostile blind prejudice and ignorance. So why bother?

ScaliaFan · Sep 26, 2016

kepha31 said:
Pope forgives assassin.

i lik,e what Pope JP II said about about forgiving instead of paying back evil for evil

but capital punishment in the case of someone like Ted Bundy is not repaying evil with evil.. It is not evil to kill someone like that to protect law-abiding citizens...

But i get what he meant

FHII · Sep 26, 2016

kepha31 said:
No, it isn't. Brakelite is affirming his own irrational anti-Catholicism, says "it is you who is escalating the debate to a personal level through your diversionary tactics" Not once did I refer to any individual. He fails to name what diversionary tactics I am using. I remain on topic. Does he?

Then he brings up red herrings like sola scriptura, (which can't be found anywhere in the Bible) and throws in a few more digs which have NOTHING to do with any of my posts in this thread, AND none of my posts are personal attacks on individuals, especially post #3 that no one dare comment on. His remarks are off topic and hypocritical. The topic is "hated by all" and the Internet is loaded with myths and lies that anti-Catholic "Bible-Christians" spew constantly. He is one of them. Te debate isn't about individuals. Its about systems. Stop trying to make it personal. Is this a joke? Where have I done that? Feeling convicted of prejudice? I have a list of reasons why I have him on ignore.

I can have a civilized debate with anyone on any topic, but there is no debating with hostile blind prejudice and ignorance. So why bother?

Ok kepha31.... Im not going to debate any of what you said.

H. Richard · Sep 27, 2016

StanJ said:
More equivocation on your part. This thread is about being hated and you equivocate to we will suffer. The two are not the same... we will suffer because Jesus said the servant is not greater than his master and if the master suffers then so will the servant. John 15:20. That's not the same as being hated and shunned buy your own family and friends for accepting Jesus Christ
Nobody is assassinating anybody's character, you're just being shown that you're wrong and obviously you hate being wrong? This is a public forum and if you really think you're going to be able to post your opinions without any push-back, well then you're wrong again, and you're definitely in the wrong place.

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All is well when people post their opinion. But you post your opinion about the poster. A debate is a debate about ideas, is not a place to assassinate others. But I see in your case it is a place to criticize others ideas.

ScaliaFan · Sep 27, 2016

H. Richard said:
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All is well when people post their opinion. But you post your opinion about the poster. A debate is a debate about ideas, is not a place to assassinate others. But I see in your case it is a place to criticize others ideas.

I'm glad someone says what i have been thinking

StanJ · Sep 30, 2016

H. Richard said:
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All is well when people post their opinion. But you post your opinion about the poster. A debate is a debate about ideas, is not a place to assassinate others. But I see in your case it is a place to criticize others ideas.

When you yourself practice debate within the rules of debate then you won't get push back but when you yourself put down other people and their ideas then you will reap what you sow.

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