Needless to say, the subject of magic, spirits, etc. comes up quite a bit in the bible. Are occult practices legitimate? Are they evil or "satanic"? Why do you think so?
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Satan is evil. So is everything satanic are evil. Because it is abomination to God.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
From what do you derive that occultism is satanic? The Kabala (Hebraic system of magic and philosophy) was an integral part of the torah. It was said that the ignorant should read the torah (Old Testament) so that they may gain experience, the experienced will profit if they read the Talmud (commentaries on the torah), and that the wise should meditate on the kabala (mystical interpretations of the torah and speculations of the nature of man, god, and the universe). Seeing as how Christianity is a continuation of the Judaic practice, (in the same sense that Islam is a continuation of Christianity) and that magi were very celebrated in the Judaic culture (ex. Solomon the Wise, the Sepher Yetzira, etc.) it would be contradictory for christians to feel otherwise.
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From what do you derive that occultism is satanic? The Kabala (Hebraic system of magic and philosophy) was an integral part of the torah. It was said that the ignorant should read the torah (Old Testament) so that they may gain experience, the experienced will profit if they read the Talmud (commentaries on the torah), and that the wise should meditate on the kabala (mystical interpretations of the torah and speculations of the nature of man, god, and the universe). Seeing as how Christianity is a continuation of the Judaic practice, (in the same sense that Islam is a continuation of Christianity) and that magi were very celebrated in the Judaic culture (ex. Solomon the Wise, the Sepher Yetzira, etc.) it would be contradictory for christians to feel otherwise.
Well it is Satanic. Another thing, Islam is nowhere near Christianity. Allah is completely opposite to YHWH. It's pointless to even compare to the Living God with a dead god (ie, Allah)Jag
From what do you derive that occultism is satanic? The Kabala (Hebraic system of magic and philosophy) was an integral part of the torah. It was said that the ignorant should read the torah (Old Testament) so that they may gain experience, the experienced will profit if they read the Talmud (commentaries on the torah), and that the wise should meditate on the kabala (mystical interpretations of the torah and speculations of the nature of man, god, and the universe). Seeing as how Christianity is a continuation of the Judaic practice, (in the same sense that Islam is a continuation of Christianity) and that magi were very celebrated in the Judaic culture (ex. Solomon the Wise, the Sepher Yetzira, etc.) it would be contradictory for christians to feel otherwise.
Well it is Satanic. Another thing, Islam is nowhere near Christianity. Allah is completely opposite to YHWH. It's pointless to even compare to the Living God with a dead god (ie, Allah)Jag
Jag is exactly right we are to stay away from all these things they are an abomination toGod same as idolirty and sorcery.The kabbala is Jewish Mystism and if you remember God has been displeased with the Jews and their so called (w)horing after false gods and religions on more than one occasion 1Sa 15:23 For rebellion [is as] the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness [is as] iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from [being] king. 2Ch 33:6 And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: also he observed times, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger. Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Col 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: Lev 20:27 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood [shall be] upon them. Deu 18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
Hmm, you misunderstood me, I should have been more clear. What I meant was more along the lines of Judaism is to Christianity as Christianity is to Islam. Jews do not accept Jesus as our final savior; Christians do not accept Mohamed as our final savior. It goes without saying that Islam is different than Christianity. For the record, though, the morals and symbolisms of all 3 are, for the most part, the same, and Muslims do accept Jesus as the son of god. They also accept and worship Mohamed as the latest savior, which Christians do not.Anyway, why do you think that the occult is satanic; just saying it does not make it true. More likely than not, this recent fear of magic stems from the medieval witch trials where magic entailed human sacrifice and signing a pact with satan. Few, if any, of the women actually partook in witchcraft, which in many cases is a very peaceful nature based practice. Surely there are black magicians who deviate from the norm, just as there are those who have used Christianity as an excuse for authority and bloodshed. In fact, it is widely accepted that the witch trials were nothing more than a means for the men in society to suppress and control women using the common held means of dogma. This is not the first time this has happened, it has recently come to light that a certain character was edited out of the first testament. Her name was lilith, the woman who was created simultaneously with Adam. Adam fell in love with lilith and tried to tame her, but failed when she chose to leave Eden. Cutting her out of the picture made females appear lesser than man, eve being made out of Adams rib. I'll post a reputable source on this in the morning.Edit: In response to Kriss:Just what I needed, thanks.
2Ch 33:6 And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: also he observed times, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger. If there is one thing we veiw as Satanic it is that all belives are Ok Islam is abomination to God as they woprship a false god same as all other religions rather it be witchcraft socery or wizards Judism believes in the same God so it is differnt they will accept Christ when God lifts the stupor off them Islam on the other hand want all Gods children (jew and Christains dead so they can worship Alklah who is not our god they belif christ was a prophet not the son of GodSatan will set up a one world religion when he gets here where all believes are alright that is called an Abomination to God there is only one Way and that is thru Christ
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Hmm, you misunderstood me, I should have been more clear. What I meant was more along the lines of Judaism is to Christianity as Christianity is to Islam. Jews do not accept Jesus as our final savior; Christians do not accept Mohamed as our final savior. It goes without saying that Islam is different than Christianity. For the record, though, the morals and symbolisms of all 3 are, for the most part, the same, and Muslims do accept Jesus as the son of god. They also accept and worship Mohamed as the latest savior, which Christians do not.Anyway, why do you think that the occult is satanic; just saying it does not make it true. More likely than not, this recent fear of magic stems from the medieval witch trials where magic entailed human sacrifice and signing a pact with satan. Few, if any, of the women actually partook in witchcraft, which in many cases is a very peaceful nature based practice. Surely there are black magicians who deviate from the norm, just as there are those who have used Christianity as an excuse for authority and bloodshed. In fact, it is widely accepted that the witch trials were nothing more than a means for the men in society to suppress and control women using the common held means of dogma. This is not the first time this has happened, it has recently come to light that a certain character was edited out of the first testament. Her name was lilith, the woman who was created simultaneously with Adam. Adam fell in love with lilith and tried to tame her, but failed when she chose to leave Eden. Cutting her out of the picture made females appear lesser than man, eve being made out of Adams rib. I'll post a reputable source on this in the morning.
Oh boy, as why Occult is Satanic? According to the above scriptures that Kriss posted. That's why.I repeat, actually there are Jews that accepted Christ as Saviour. As Christians and Jews are brothers and sisters. We are God's children. As for Islam, I repeat it is pointless to compare YHWH who is a Living God and Allah who is a dead god. By dead, I mean a false god.Human Sacrifices are still Satanic. God surely does not want us to have human sacrifices...Hosea 6:6 - For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.Matthew 9:13 - But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.Matthew 12:7 - But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.As for this "special wife" lilith of Adam... It is NO where in the scriptures. It is a complete lie of men. You are making God a liar. Get that lie out of here.Jag
Hmm, you misunderstood me, I should have been more clear. What I meant was more along the lines of Judaism is to Christianity as Christianity is to Islam. Jews do not accept Jesus as our final savior; Christians do not accept Mohamed as our final savior. It goes without saying that Islam is different than Christianity. For the record, though, the morals and symbolisms of all 3 are, for the most part, the same, and Muslims do accept Jesus as the son of god. They also accept and worship Mohamed as the latest savior, which Christians do not.Anyway, why do you think that the occult is satanic; just saying it does not make it true. More likely than not, this recent fear of magic stems from the medieval witch trials where magic entailed human sacrifice and signing a pact with satan. Few, if any, of the women actually partook in witchcraft, which in many cases is a very peaceful nature based practice. Surely there are black magicians who deviate from the norm, just as there are those who have used Christianity as an excuse for authority and bloodshed. In fact, it is widely accepted that the witch trials were nothing more than a means for the men in society to suppress and control women using the common held means of dogma. This is not the first time this has happened, it has recently come to light that a certain character was edited out of the first testament. Her name was lilith, the woman who was created simultaneously with Adam. Adam fell in love with lilith and tried to tame her, but failed when she chose to leave Eden. Cutting her out of the picture made females appear lesser than man, eve being made out of Adams rib. I'll post a reputable source on this in the morning.
Oh boy, as why Occult is Satanic? According to the above scriptures that Kriss posted. That's why.I repeat, actually there are Jews that accepted Christ as Saviour. As Christians and Jews are brothers and sisters. We are God's children. As for Islam, I repeat it is pointless to compare YHWH who is a Living God and Allah who is a dead god. By dead, I mean a false god.Human Sacrifices are still Satanic. God surely does not want us to have human sacrifices...Hosea 6:6 - For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.Matthew 9:13 - But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.Matthew 12:7 - But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.As for this "special wife" lilith of Adam... It is NO where in the scriptures. It is a complete lie of men. You are making God a liar. Get that lie out of here.Jag
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This is not the first time this has happened, it has recently come to light that a certain character was edited out of the first testament. Her name was lilith, the woman who was created simultaneously with Adam. Adam fell in love with lilith and tried to tame her, but failed when she chose to leave Eden. Cutting her out of the picture made females appear lesser than man, eve being made out of Adams rib. I'll post a reputable source on this in the morning.Edit: In response to Kriss:Just what I needed, thanks.
There's a good reason why a Lilith isn't mentioned in the Bible; she didn't exist. God created Adam and then Eve; no Lilith is mentioned in the creation. If your "reputable source" isn't the Bible, it isn't reputable in my opinion.
This is not the first time this has happened, it has recently come to light that a certain character was edited out of the first testament. Her name was lilith, the woman who was created simultaneously with Adam. Adam fell in love with lilith and tried to tame her, but failed when she chose to leave Eden. Cutting her out of the picture made females appear lesser than man, eve being made out of Adams rib. I'll post a reputable source on this in the morning.Edit: In response to Kriss:Just what I needed, thanks.
There's a good reason why a Lilith isn't mentioned in the Bible; she didn't exist. God created Adam and then Eve; no Lilith is mentioned in the creation. If your "reputable source" isn't the Bible, it isn't reputable in my opinion.
If you guys want to learn more of the occult, Dr. Scott Johnson covers it thoroughly. He also talks about Catholocism and Islam.Dr. Scott Johnson's sermons.
They are both from devil. There is good and bad forces in this life. God is good, devil is bad, a looser. So God does not approve evil things.Deut.4:19 , 17:2-5 ,18:9-12Jer. 8:1-2 , 10:2 , 27:9-10Dan.2:1-4 , 4:7 , 5:7-92 Kings 21:3,5Zephaniah 1:5Job 31:26-28Isaiah 47:10-14
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"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."(Revelation 21:8)"Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood."(Revelation 22:15)
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