Rapture, Prophecy, Church, and the Nation of Israel- Last Generation

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keras said:
But is nothing that even hints He will rapture His people at that time.
Nonsense.
Jesus comes on the Day of the Lord to gather up (harpazo, the Rapture) the Elect who are (still) alive and remain (after the Great Tribulation).
 

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Marcus O'Reillius said:
Nonsense.
Jesus comes on the Day of the Lord to gather up (harpazo, the Rapture) the Elect who are (still) alive and remain (after the Great Tribulation).
Sure He does, sending out His angels as per Matthew 24:31. Not to heaven but to where He is; in Jerusalem on earth.

A nation that bears the proper fruit: Matthew 21:43

Who are the "legitimate heirs" of God's promises? They are people, from every tribe, race, nation and language, saved by His power and grace, who will occupy all of the holy Land in the last days. They are the people of God who will be there when the Anti-Christ briefly takes over the new nation of Beulah:
Daniel 7:25 He will defy the Most High and conquer His holy people….. Zechariah 14:1-2
Revelation 13:7 The Beast was allowed to wage war on God’s people and to defeat them………. Revelation 12:13

I'm reluctant to refer to them as "Righteous Christians" or the "Israel of God", because both of these terms "Christians" and "Israel" have become corrupted by too much sin among too many of their respective communities. Christians can be anyone who enters a church and Israel is usurped by the Jewish State.
Paul doesn't cite either term in his comments about this matter in Ephesians 2:11-22. He refers to this new unified "body" of "reconciled" individuals, who are either Jews or Gentiles, as "members of the household of God" (vs 19), or as they are identified in other texts as "the people of God" or as the "sons of the Living God".
Paul makes it clear in several texts that God is bringing together a new group of "righteous" individuals to whom God will give His promised blessings.
Isaiah 51:1-2 Listen to me, all you who keep the Laws of God, all you who seek Him and who follow righteousness. Remember the quarry you were hewn from, your spiritual origin, Abraham is your father and Sarah gave you birth. When God called him, he was but one, God blessed him and now his righteous seed are many.
Romans 2:29 The person who belongs to God is not outwardly a Jew, physically circumcised, but one who is spiritually circumcised of the heart……

One term that could be used to refer to this new body of people, is Nazarenes. That word is used extensively in the Middle east for Christians and it means : the set apart ones or the people dedicated to God.
The very many prophesies God has made about His people living in peace and security in all of that area given so long ago to Abraham and his seed, have never been fulfilled. They will be, God will not forget His Land: Isaiah 49:14-16 it is inscribed onto His hands…. or His righteous people, Isaiah 65:9 I will give heirs to the Patriarchs, My chosen ones will take possession of the Land and those who serve Me will live there.

THIS is the next great promise we look forward to, fulfilling our destiny of being the people of God and is what we Christians have been chosen and prepared for:
Isaiah 49:8, These are the Words of the Lord: In the time of My favour, I will answer your call, Acts 2:21, and protect you. I formed you and destined you to be a light for the nations, restoring the Land and living in its now desolate areas.
Isaiah 43:10 You are My witnesses, you are My servants chosen by Me. To believe in Me and to know that I am God.
Isaiah 43:19-21 Behold, I shall do new things, they will happen. I will make a way through the desert and water for My people to drink. This people I have prepared for Myself and they will proclaim My glory. Isaiah 35:1-10
Jeremiah 33:10-12 See this Land, it lies in ruins without people or animals. [This is how the entire Middle East will be after the devastation of the Lord’s Day of fiery wrath] Yet in this place will once more be heard to sounds of joy and gladness, of bride and bridegroom, of voices shouting: Praise to the Lord God, for His love endures forever….
Then, all that is prophesied to occur before the glorious Return of Jesus must happen and it will be the survivors of Beulah who will greet Jesus as He comes for His Millennial reign.
 

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Marcus O'Reillius said:
Only a fool would say that Christ's New Covenant expired in just seven years.
Never said that either....i said the week is set apart for christs work for his bride...and then we become reconciled to christ after that week.
 

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Marcus O'Reillius said:
, BUT that they come OUT OF the Great Tribulation.
Yes says come out, does not say raptured out.

6 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.

The Dead in Christ do not rise until Jesus comes again.
Notice the word the dead in Christ will rise first then your rapture.

Notice the 2 witnesses are dead in christ and then rise first. No rapture until then.
 

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Marcus O'Reillius said:
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This is why I look at Heaven differently then Roy Retrobyter. The "first" Heaven? Not the sky, but Paradise: the place where the Dead in Christ "rest" until they are resurrected ON the Day of the Lord.
And why do you keep bringing up Retrobyter?, he hasnt been part of this discussion nor is he here to defend himself in this discussion.

Can you not defend yourself without ridiculing others who arnt here to defend themselves?
 

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Did you ever notice that every thread ends up being a Rapture thread?
So here's that latest from the hijacker:

inchrist said:
Notice the word the dead in Christ will rise first then your rapture.
Silly: when the Great Tribulation decimates all those who will not worship the talking image with execution -
and countless others perish from dehydration, starvation, and exposure because they cannot buy (or sell) -
The number of the Elect who are alive and remain is few.

God will save the Elect before ALL of them perish.
But that's not enough to make a Great Multitude from every nation, people, language, and tongue.

The Gathering -Rapture- has the Elect who are alive (most are dead) and remain (after the Great Tribulation) JOIN the Dead in Christ -
- who ARE resurrected as well on the "last day" - the Day of the Lord.

In fact, from an observer-true position as one of the remaining Elect - Paul describes their view seeing Jesus coming WITH those Saints -
- and THEN they are gathered up.

1Th 3:13 ...at the coming of our Lord Jesus with all His saints.



inchrist said:
Yes says come out, does not say raptured out.
So - WHEN the Great Multitude come out of the events on the earth - they come out of the Great Tribulation - which is CUT SHORT by the arrival of the Day of the Lord.
Not all of them are raptured out.
In fact, the great majority are not raptured at all!


inchrist said:
Notice the 2 witnesses are dead in christ
Not so. Paul does not mention the Two Witnesses, and it is only a presumption on your part that they are part of the Resurrection of the Dead in Christ.

The Two Witnesses are raised bodily from the street after three days, and are specifically, and individually called up.

Of course, this happens coincidently with the end of the one 'seven' -
whereas the Day of the Lord happens after the midpoint abomination and after the shortened Great Tribulation.
 

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Marcus O said:
Did you ever notice that every thread ends up being a Rapture thread?
So here's that latest from the hijacker:
Seems to have escaped you what the title of the thread is....you not terribly bright are you?

So - WHEN the Great Multitude come out of the events on the earth - they come out of the Great Tribulation - which is CUT SHORT by the arrival of the Day of the Lord.
I can read very well unlike yourself (cough - title of the thread)

The script says come out, actually coming out, it does not say raptured out or resurrected out in a single event, but a continual event.

1Th 3:13 ...at the coming of our Lord Jesus with all His saints
The script states holy ones, we know angels are also called holy ones.....perhaps stop being opinionated on scriptures.

Not so. Paul does not mention the Two Witnesses, and it is only a presumption on your part that they are part of the Resurrection of the Dead in Christ.
They get resurrected do they not? They died in Christ do they not? How can you possible claim then they are not part of the resurrected dead in christ....

Infact they are the FIRST mention of the resurrected dead in Christ.

Of course, this happens coincidently with the end of the one 'seven' -
whereas the Day of the Lord happens after the midpoint abomination and after the shortened Great Tribulation.
Theres no such thing as "coincidences" in scripture. It must be such a "coincidence" that we have an actual ressurection occuring at the 7th trumpet....guess Paul never saw that one coming
 

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inchrist said:
t we have an actual ressurection occuring at the 7th trumpet....guess Paul never saw that one coming
So now you're judging Paul too?
I must be in good company...

Jesus, Paul, and John all indicate or say out right that the resurrection of the Dead in Christ and the Rapture of the Elect happen on the Day of the Lord.
And Jesus said that happens AFTER the shortened Great Tribulation -
- NOT at the end of God's Wrath.

The Two Witnesses PRECEDE the Day of the Lord, and go to the end of the one 'seven' - the FULL length -
- not the shortened amount of time after the midpoint upon which the Day of the Lord occurs.
THEY have a special mission, which includes calling down Wrath - Wrath which we are not to experience.


inchrist said:
I can read very well unlike yourself (cough - title of the thread)
And besides your petty insults - you stayed on topic how?
If you're unaware; threads usually take a tangent.
Mostly around here - it's right back to the topic of the Rapture and its timing thereof.
 

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Back to proving the rapture is unbiblical and total rubbish:

Galatians 6:14-16 But far be it from me to boast, save in the Cross of our Lord Jesus Christ…….all that counts is new [personal] creation. All who take this principal as their guide: peace and mercy be upon them, the Israel of God. Revised English Bible

The proper interpretation and translation of the last phrase in Galatians 6:16 has become a matter of controversy in the past century or so. Formerly, "The Israel of God" was understood as a name for the Church. [SIZE=9.5pt][[/SIZE][SIZE=9.5pt]1[/SIZE][SIZE=9.5pt]][/SIZE] The καὶ ("and") which precedes the phrase upon the Israel of God, was understood as an explicative καὶ. This understanding of the grammar is reflected in the Revised Standard Version's Peace and mercy be upon all who walk by this rule, upon the Israel of God, and in the New International Version's: even to the Israel of God. It is not necessary, however, to understand the καὶ as an explicative in order to get substantially the same sense. If it be regarded as an ordinary connective καὶ, the all who take this principal, correctly refers to the individual Christians, Jewish and Gentile, and Israel of God to the same Christians, regarded collectively, being the complete messianic community."

So the rendering "and upon the Israel of God" (KJV and others) is acceptable enough, provided it is not misapplied. In any case, it is clear that in this verse Paul cannot be pronouncing a benediction upon persons who are not included in: All who keep the Christian rule….The entire argument of the epistle prevents any idea that here in 6:16 he would give a blessing to those who are not Christians.
The phrase has become controversial because the traditional interpretation conflicts with principles of interpretation associated with Dispensationalism. Dispensationalists, those who believe in a ‘rapture to heaven’, insist on maintaining a sharp distinction between "Israel" and "the Church".
They refute the idea that here Paul is using the phrase "Israel of God" in a sense that includes Gentiles, because this undermines their contention that "the Church" is always carefully distinguished from "Israel" in Scripture. This major tenet of dispensationalist hermeneutics, is a false teaching.
 

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Marcus O said:
So now you're judging Paul too?
You tell me because apparently its a "coincidence" to you.

in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

Then you claim the following is a "coincidence"

Of course, this happens coincidently with the end of the one 'seven' -
Just happens to be a "coincidence" that the only place in the ENTIRETY of Revelation where we find any evidence...let me state that again...ANY EVIDENCE of an ACTUAL ressurection and rapture like Paul STATED just so happens to be at the Last trumpet being the 7th trumpet.....is now a "coincidence" for you? So I take it Paul never saw that one coming?

Jesus, Paul, and John all indicate or say out right that the resurrection of the Dead in Christ and the Rapture of the Elect happen on the Day of the Lord.
Heres the actual day of the Lord

Rev 11:15 The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah ...........because you have taken your great power and have begun to reign

Must be a "coincidence" that also occurs at the last trumpet being the 7th trumpet....the last trumpet series.

And Jesus said that happens AFTER the shortened Great Tribulation
Well incorrect a few things need to happen AFTER the great tribulation, like cosmic upheavel and the sign of Christ and then Christ comes

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


NOT at the end of God's Wrath
Again incorrect,

Rev 11:18 The nations were angry, and your wrath has come.

Here we find an angel (THE WORD OF GOD) actually announcing the BEGINNING of GODS WRATH...so CLEARLY not the END of Gods wrath but the BEGINNING of Gods wrath.

I bet that must also be a "coincidence" for you?

So many "coincidences"....resurrection/day of the Lord/ wrath all at the last trumpet, the 7th trumpet all after cosmic upheaval. I suppose Christ also didnt see that one coming either

The Two Witnesses PRECEDE the Day of the Lord, and go to the end of the one 'seven' - the FULL length
Well of cause they would precede the day of the Lord because their ministry on behalf of Christ ends at the 7th trumpet - commencing the day of the Lord

Again..... Rev 11:15 The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah ...........because you have taken your great power and have begun to reign

THEY have a special mission, which includes calling down Wrath - Wrath which we are not to experience.
Well no, God will not leave his wrath in human hands...vengeance is Gods alone

Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord.

Their mission is to complete the latter half of Christs work for his first bride

The Jewish wedding:

The groom secured two close friends to assist him in securing his bride and during the actual ceremony. These two are knownas “the friends of the bridegroom.” They functioned as the two witnesses required for a Jewish wedding. One of them was to assist the bride, and to lead her to the ceremony, while the other was stationed with the groom. He performed a special task when the couple retired into the chadar after the ceremony.

During the ceremony, known as Kiddushin, a second contract was brought forth called a Ketubah. This marriage contract was witnessed by the friends of the bridegroom and turned over to the parents of the bride. It contained the promises that the groom pledged to his wife.


And besides your petty insults
What like these ones of yours?
Silly, hijacker, Only a fool
Seriously I want to understand this...you can be insulting to everyone but we must show you respect in return?

you stayed on topic how?
If you're unaware; threads usually take a tangent.
Mostly around here - it's right back to the topic of the Rapture and its timing thereof.
Firstly start with the title of the thread - "Rapture, Prophecy, Church, and the Nation of Israel- Last Generation"

Also the OP:

NOTE: A day nor the hour has not been noted here as to the Lord's return.

-Some thoughts by Joe Green-
It makes a lot of sense to believe or say those born between 1948 and 1988 will see the Rapture.
It makes a lot of sense to believe or say some over the age of 70 will the see the Rapture.
It is possible we could see the Rapture as early as 2018, do the math, 1948 + 70 = 2018.
It is possible the Rapture will be no later than 2023, do the math, 1903 + 120 years = 2023.
It makes a lot of sense to believe or say we will not know the day nor the hour as to the Lord's return. However, we should know close to the year.
 

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keras said:
Back to proving the rapture is unbiblical and total rubbish: Galatians 6:14-16
Galatians 6:14-16 does not disprove the Rapture - which is found in the Bible, and thus is: Biblical.

Note 16 Has anyone yet missed the point? If so, Paul will state it once again in even starker language-- "Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule, even to the Israel of God" (cf. the blessings of Pss 125:5; 128:6). This statement makes three points:(1) the peace and mercy of God are given only to those who adhere to this gospel; (2) all who believe the gospel, so it is implied, have an obligation to continue walking in it; and (3) these, and these only, are the true Israel. ~ Expositor's Bible Commentary on Gal 6:16.

Furthermore Paul also said this:

1Th 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

Paul defines the Rapture as the living Elect being caught up (harpazo, i.e. rapio, i.e. Rapture) from the earth to the clouds.
Furthermore WE ARE TO COMFORT ONE ANOTHER WITH THESE WORDS.
- Not try to DESTROY the notion.

tsk, tsk, tsk.
 

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inchrist said:
You tell me because apparently its a "coincidence" to you.
in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
Just happens to be a "coincidence" that the only place in the ENTIRETY of Revelation where we find any evidence...let me state that again...ANY EVIDENCE of an ACTUAL ressurection and rapture like Paul STATED just so happens to be at the Last trumpet being the 7th trumpet.....is now a "coincidence" for you? So I take it Paul never saw that one coming?
Paul is not referring to Revelation's seventh Trumpet. It wasn't written when he wrote Corinthians.
John NEVER calls the seventh Trumpet the Last Trumpet.

Paul, as a trained Pharisee and member of the ruling class of the Temple, is referring to a Jewish Festival.
The Last Trumpet, as used by men, is a celebratory trumpet sounded during Rosh ha-Shannah.
It marries with its paired shofar, the First Trumpet, which is blown on the Feast of Firstfruits (Pentecost).

Symbolically, and that is an important word here and one that atin-christ misses, Paul's use of the Last Trumpet implicates an examination of Rosh ha-Shannah.
Rosh ha-Shannah is the "Returning Anew" of the Religious calendar.

The Last Trumpet, in prophecy, is a NAMED, ASSEMBLY Trumpet of God's, and ostensibly blown by Him, at the Resurrection of the Dead in Christ.
As such, it ENDS the Church Age, begun 2000 years ago at the Festival of Firstfruits (Pentecost) when the Church Age began.

Revelation 11:11-12 is NOT the only place we see a resurrection.
  • In the Seal/Scroll Chronology of Revelation chapters 4-11 (exclusive of the sidebar account in 11:1-13) the Great Mulititude come out of the Great Tribulaiton BEFORE any of the NUMBERED, ANNOUNCEMENT Trumpets are sounded by Angels.
  • This comes with the sixth Seal - which begins with the Sun/moon/star celestial sign which heralds the Day of the Lord.
  • In the parallel account to the broad overview of the Seal/Scroll chronology, in Revelation chapters 13-16 (inclusive) we see the Harvest: Rev 14:14-16.
  • This is also from the clouds like Mt 24:31 and 1Th 4:17.
  • The Harvest PRECEDES God's Wrath in Rev 14:17-20 ~ which has the SAME two elements of the first Trumpet of God's Wrath: blood and fire.
  • Notice too, that the Harvest comes BEFORE the armies of the world are brought together at Armageddon: the final battle of the one 'seven'.
So, yes it is a coincidence, one which atin-christ and many others make an assumption upon and link two things because of a single word without any other discernment. It is surprising how many put the number seven together and link two passages which have nothing to do with each other and say: "Eureka! I solved the mystery!", when in fact, nothing in prophecy even remotely suggests we should do such a thing. Scripture interprets Scripture.
 

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As to my statement that the Two Witnesses are on a special mission, and that includes calling down God's Wrath, atin-christ says:

inchrist said:
Well no, God will not leave his wrath in human hands...vengeance is Gods alone Their mission is to complete the latter half of Christs work for his first bride
Rev 11:5 And if anyone wants to harm them, fire flows out of their mouth and devours their enemies; so if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this way. 6 These have the power to shut up the sky, so that rain will not fall during the days of their prophesying; and they have power over the waters to turn them into blood, and to strike the earth with every plague, as often as they desire.
  • They have the AUTHORITY to take revenge upon their enemies who would try to harm them with lethal force.
  • The Two Witnesses have the AUTHORITY to make it stop raining.
  • They have the AUTHORITY to turn the water to blood. That is a desolation of God which will happen with (perhaps atin-christ would prefer "coincidently") with the second Trumpet AND the second and third Bowls of God's Wrath which are poured out to complete the desolations He has decreed (Dan 9:26-27).
So as we are not to take revenge: these Two Witnesses ARE AUTHORIZED to take revenge AND dish out God's desolations upon the earth affecting the wicked who will not repent.

So when someone tells you that the Two Witnesses, or the 144,000, go door to door (exaggeration) and spread the Gospel message of Christ and so complete His Work - look at what the Bible says and at what they say.
Someone who shows a complete lack of reliability in getting the small things right; is equally untrustworthy in getting the large things right: like when the Rapture happens...
 

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I said: The Two Witnesses PRECEDE the Day of the Lord, and go to the end of the one 'seven' - the FULL length

inchrist said:
Rev 11:18 The nations were angry, and your wrath has come. Here we find an angel (THE WORD OF GOD) actually announcing the BEGINNING of GODS WRATH...so CLEARLY not the END of Gods wrath but the BEGINNING of Gods wrath.
I bet that must also be a "coincidence" for you?
So many "coincidences"....resurrection/day of the Lord/ wrath all at the last trumpet, the 7th trumpet all after cosmic upheaval. I suppose Christ also didnt see that one coming either
I'm sorry, but in this version, "has come" is the perfect tense and it is not the future tense saying it will come.
FURTHERMORE - in the Greek, it is in the Aorist tense, which is a summary tense, most often translated as past tense.

Secondly, atin-christ said "CLEARLY" so we know it is not necessarily what you have concluded.
Remember that getting the little things right is so important so as to assess if anyone gets the big things right.

Rev 11:18 is a summary announcement that God's Wrath has come, or came, and now that it has concluded, there is something to happen next:

Rev 11:18 And the nations were enraged, and Your wrath came, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and the time to reward Your bond- servants the prophets and the saints and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth."

In the process of the end, once the final battle is concluded, the Saints will have to give an account of themselves, and the anti-Christ and False Prophet will be judged, and punished as well!
The Bible is linear in its sequencing of events.

Lastly, note the mocking tone atin-christ uses suggesting that he has it right otherwise 'Jesus didn't see that coming?'
This mocking tone is actually dangerous. I would never suggest something caught Jesus unaware - or that Jesus is on my side.
Rather, I try to follow what the Bible says in a literal fashion when it comes to end-time prophecy.
 

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Marcus said: Rather, I try to follow what the Bible says in a literal fashion when it comes to end-time prophecy. Quote

Be good if you actually did that!
Then you wouldn't believe in a pre wrath rapture, or any removal to heaven for believers.
You would know and be prepared for the next prophesied event; the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster by fire from the sun.

Your foolish statement of when someone says 'clearly', then they are surely wrong, is just another denigration of yours against everyone who disagrees with you.
The tone of your posts shows a very unchristian attitude toward others. Be aware the end time events will soon come to pass and the Lord will judge us all according to how we have treated others.
 

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Un-Christian?
I'm not the one trying to destroy whole eschatologies and people's heart-felt beliefs!

And it is a very interesting part about whenever someone says, "Clearly this means xyz..."
- You can be sure it's not "clear" at all, but it's just them espousing their conclusion!

So it's not foolish at all.
Foolish would be to say "Clearly God kills by an explosion of the sun" - from a verse that says it is on a day God heals.
 

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I said:
Rather, I try to follow what the Bible says in a literal fashion when it comes to end-time prophecy.
And mister replacement theo said:


keras said:
Be good if you actually did that!
Then you wouldn't believe in a pre wrath rapture, or any removal to heaven for believers.
Actually, Pre-Wrath, the Rapture, and a removal to Heaven ALL follow a literal reading. So I do as I say.

You have to twist things around to say it doesn't.
 

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Marcus O'Reillius said:
Actually, Pre-Wrath, the Rapture, and a removal to Heaven ALL follow a literal reading. So I do as I say.

You have to twist things around to say it doesn't.
Yawn....we've been thru this before. NOWHERE DOES THE BIBLE SAY GOD WILL TAKE LIVE PEOPLE TO HEAVEN.
You are the twister, per excellence, for your false beliefs.

Fools say there won't be an explosion of the sun on the Lord's Day of fire, storms, earthquakes and tsunamis. A CME can and will literally cause all the prophesied effects.
 

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keras said:
NOWHERE DOES THE BIBLE SAY GOD WILL TAKE LIVE PEOPLE TO HEAVEN.
Rev 4:1 After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven, and the first voice which I had heard, like the sound of a trumpet speaking with me, said, " Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after these things." 2 Immediately I was in the Spirit; and behold, a throne was standing in heaven,

John is a live person and he was translated to Heaven.

The Great Multitude are comprised mostly of resurrected souls who had died, and some people who "exchange" their mortal, living body, for an immortal, imperishable body.

Jesus is in Heaven now, and He said He would come back and take us to where He is.

Isaiah 30:26 does not describe a coronal mass ejection burning a third of the earth.
Rather, the sun shines brightly, figuratively seven times - a godly number - when God HEALS those He has inflicted during the one 'seven' with the desolations He has decreed.
 

Marcus O'Reillius

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Here is where the burning of the earth is described. It does not come from the sun.

Rev 8:7 The first sounded, and there came hail and fire, mixed with blood, and they were thrown to the earth; and a third of the earth was burned up, and a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.

and here:

Rev 14:17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, and he also had a sharp sickle. 18 Then another angel, the one who has power over fire, came out from the altar; and he called with a loud voice to him who had the sharp sickle, saying, " Put in your sharp sickle and gather the clusters from the vine of the earth, because her grapes are ripe." 19 So the angel swung his sickle to the earth and gathered the clusters from the vine of the earth, and threw them into the great wine press of the wrath of God. 20 And the wine press was trodden outside the city, and blood came out from the wine press, up to the horses' bridles, for a distance of two hundred miles.

This all happens with God's Wrath - not on a day when God heals those He has inflicted.
Angels do the work, and they are not using the sun to do it.