Muslim Fury at Pope
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Now Bernie, until you comprehend that "I believe in God and the Muslims believe in a false God" does not equate to bomb them all, it doesn't seem that there is much more to say.(Quote)Our bombs and missiles have killed more of "Them" than they have "Us". The Pope's latest comment in a long string of commentaries made by other so called evangelicals.Examples are
r. Dobson allowed neocon talk show host Sean hennedy to be a guest on his radio program Focus on the Familiy and grunting in agreement to every word, allowed him to declare "God has blessed this nation with the most powerful military that has ever existed and if we don't use it to kill every dictator in the world and liberate all people into democracy, God will judge this nation"Jerry Fallwell: "Kill them all in the name of our Lord!"Once again, if you wish to discuss body counts, our "Christian bombs and missiles" have killed a lot more men, women, children, and Clergy than they have of ours.Amd then you have the neocons themselves who claim to be ChristianMichael Savage: "We need to do to all of Iraq and Afgahnistan what we did to Dresdyn!"Rush Limbagh: "I don't care what the Marines did at Haditha! If they killed a baby in its crib, it deserved it!"We can only claim to have no blood on our hands because we only cheer when our wonder weapons do all of the dirty work for us. They are in real fear that the bombs will fall on them next and the Pope has done little to calm those fears.As far as the Crusades go. The Objective was to "Liberate the Holy land" Not only from Muslims but Jews as well and the Crusaders proudly killed Jews just as readily as they killed Muslims. There was never any reference to countering Muslim Agression.
r. Dobson allowed neocon talk show host Sean hennedy to be a guest on his radio program Focus on the Familiy and grunting in agreement to every word, allowed him to declare "God has blessed this nation with the most powerful military that has ever existed and if we don't use it to kill every dictator in the world and liberate all people into democracy, God will judge this nation"Jerry Fallwell: "Kill them all in the name of our Lord!"Once again, if you wish to discuss body counts, our "Christian bombs and missiles" have killed a lot more men, women, children, and Clergy than they have of ours.Amd then you have the neocons themselves who claim to be ChristianMichael Savage: "We need to do to all of Iraq and Afgahnistan what we did to Dresdyn!"Rush Limbagh: "I don't care what the Marines did at Haditha! If they killed a baby in its crib, it deserved it!"We can only claim to have no blood on our hands because we only cheer when our wonder weapons do all of the dirty work for us. They are in real fear that the bombs will fall on them next and the Pope has done little to calm those fears.As far as the Crusades go. The Objective was to "Liberate the Holy land" Not only from Muslims but Jews as well and the Crusaders proudly killed Jews just as readily as they killed Muslims. There was never any reference to countering Muslim Agression.
As far as the Crusades go. The Objective was to "Liberate the Holy land" Not only from Muslims but Jews as well and the Crusaders proudly killed Jews just as readily as they killed Muslims. There was never any reference to countering Muslim Agression
Don't know what history you're reading or what koolaid you're drinking, but battles were fought outside of Jerusalem against the Turks first. The Turks were invading and there was a massive influx of the Islamic faith into Europe. Oh wait - is that yet another example of the Muslim agression coming first?
"You infidels and despots, we will continue our jihad and never stop until God avails us to chop your necks and raise the fluttering banner of monotheism, when God's rule is established governing all people and nations," said the statement by the Mujahedeen Shura Council, an umbrella organization of Sunni Arab extremist groups in Iraq.
(Source: FoxNews.com)
Don't know what history you're reading or what koolaid you're drinking, but battles were fought outside of Jerusalem against the Turks first. The Turks were invading and there was a massive influx of the Islamic faith into Europe. Oh wait - is that yet another example of the Muslim agression coming first?
"You infidels and despots, we will continue our jihad and never stop until God avails us to chop your necks and raise the fluttering banner of monotheism, when God's rule is established governing all people and nations," said the statement by the Mujahedeen Shura Council, an umbrella organization of Sunni Arab extremist groups in Iraq.
(Source: FoxNews.com)
Is this a strange statment that reminds you of revalation made by Al-Quada after the Pope's statement -------------------------------------------------------------"We shall break the cross and spill the wine ... God will (help) Muslims to conquer Rome ... (May) God enable us to slit their throats, and make their money and descendants the bounty of the mujahideen," said the statement. The statement cited a hadith (saying of the Prophet Mohammed) promising Muslims they would "conquer Rome ... as they conquered Costantinople."
And for every Muslim you quote, there is a so called Christian including you all who scream "Conform or we Bomb you!" The Pope endorsed the gospel of bobs and bullets, he is wrong. The Pope for all intensive purposes refered to Islam as "Those evil people"This is unbiblical for ALL HAVE SINNED! ALL FALL SHORT OF GODS GLORY!None of us are in any position to refer to ANYBODY as "Those evil people"Our bombs and missiles have killed more innocent people than all the so call Muslims terrorists combined.
History?The city remained under Roman and Byzantine rule, until it was taken by the advancing Muslim forces in 638. The rights of the non-Muslims under Islam were governed by the Pact of Umar, and Christians and Jews living in the city were granted autonomy in exchange for a required poll tax. Whereas the Byzantine Christian authorities had not tolerated the presence of Jews within the walls of the city, the Muslim rulers allowed the reestablishment of a Jewish community.[2] After the treaty of Capitulation signed with the Byzantines, Umar ordered the Patriarch Once again, one is assuming that Rome was such a good Christian Empire and "Those Evil Muslims" messed everything up. Rome was never a good Empire. Consyantine merly had them raping, pillagaing, and conquering under the banner of the cross instead of pagan standads. This is probably why God sent the Huns to punish the opostate Romans and the Visgoths to finish them off.The Holy Roman Empire was anything but holy. It was just another opostate empire.The Crusdes were Unbiblical, Wrong, and evil.
And for every Muslim you quote, there is a so called Christian including you all who scream "Conform or we Bomb you!" The Pope endorsed the gospel of bobs and bullets, he is wrong. The Pope for all intensive purposes refered to Islam as "Those evil people"This is unbiblical for ALL HAVE SINNED! ALL FALL SHORT OF GODS GLORY!None of us are in any position to refer to ANYBODY as "Those evil people"Our bombs and missiles have killed more innocent people than all the so call Muslims terrorists combined.
Bernie, what do you make of the Bible then? It makes a pretty darn clear distinction between those who believe and those who do not. I'm sure you're familiar with the term heathen used 145 times in the Bible. I'd be happy to quote one of the other 1000+ examples where the difference is outlined.When you accept and acknowledge the truly amazing Grace that God has bestowed on you, then you become different; you are born again. Therefore, those who are saved ARE different than those who are not. To deny so is simply unbiblical.So before you spew out the "gospel of bombs and bullets" catchphrase, understand that it does not equate to going out and bombing all of the infidels. If you want to argue that, then quite frankly there's not point in going on.As for your history lesson...First off, let's make sure we're talking about the Crusades here. Your little quip above is over 400 years before the first Crusade. Number two, you're an absolute master at trying to put words in peoples' mouths. No one here is trying to argue that the Roman Empire was the holiest thing this side of Christ. In fact, most of us would agree that it was very far from it and perhaps almost as far as you can get.All do fall short of the Glory of God, again no one is disputing that. However, the wheat will be separated from the chaff on judgement day by our Father. Let the chips fall where they may in that regard, but that does not mean that we have to timidly be killed off. Even the weakest of animals fight when their young are being threatened. God works through every event on the earth, not just some. He gave us the common sense to protect ourselves, and as evidenced by Amalek and other characters of the Bible, sometimes it has to be employed.
Bernie, what do you make of the Bible then? It makes a pretty darn clear distinction between those who believe and those who do not. I'm sure you're familiar with the term heathen used 145 times in the Bible. I'd be happy to quote one of the other 1000+ examples where the difference is outlined.When you accept and acknowledge the truly amazing Grace that God has bestowed on you, then you become different; you are born again. Therefore, those who are saved ARE different than those who are not. To deny so is simply unbiblical.So before you spew out the "gospel of bombs and bullets" catchphrase, understand that it does not equate to going out and bombing all of the infidels. If you want to argue that, then quite frankly there's not point in going on.As for your history lesson...First off, let's make sure we're talking about the Crusades here. Your little quip above is over 400 years before the first Crusade. Number two, you're an absolute master at trying to put words in peoples' mouths. No one here is trying to argue that the Roman Empire was the holiest thing this side of Christ. In fact, most of us would agree that it was very far from it and perhaps almost as far as you can get.All do fall short of the Glory of God, again no one is disputing that. However, the wheat will be separated from the chaff on judgement day by our Father. Let the chips fall where they may in that regard, but that does not mean that we have to timidly be killed off. Even the weakest of animals fight when their young are being threatened. God works through every event on the earth, not just some. He gave us the common sense to protect ourselves, and as evidenced by Amalek and other characters of the Bible, sometimes it has to be employed.
kriss;2851]Is this a strange statment that reminds you of revalation made by Al-Quada after the Pope said:
The Pope accused "Them" of being aggressive. The Pope of the very institution that gave us the Crusades, the Inquisition, and even had leaders who declared that comunism was the mechanism of the Millinial era. Kind of like the pot calling the kettle black isn't it?One Pastor said it best "Christianity is nothing more than one beggar telling another beggar where he can find food". I would go one step farther. A Christian is one condemmed criminal on death row showing another condemmed criminal how to apply for a pardon. "We" are just as guilty and worthy of death as "They" are. If any of us were ever to come out from under Grace and stand on our works, just our works after we have been saved, we would be right back on death row. To tell "Them" How evil "They" are and then boast about how good "We" are is about as unbiblical as one can get.How many Moslems have you witnessed to? Could you even begin to talk to one without spouting the Pope's rehtoric? As far as my "Quip" goes, my point is this. God determines the times and boundries of the nations. Jeruslelem under Byzantine rule was not very Biblical. In fact, the so called "Holy Roman Empire" hated Jews as much as they did Moslems. Perhaps this is why God took it away from the Byzantines and gave it to the Muslims.Jeruslem was in Muslim hands for over 400 years. Why was it all of a sudden so important to take it back? Jesus taught that his Kingdom resided in the hearts and minds of believers, not in any city and definately not in some Church built on a site where Christ was crucified. There is no room in the Gospel for any believer to talk of "Those evil people" We are jsy as evil as they are. Our evil nature is kept in check by Gods Grace. If we ever come out from under his Grace, we will revert to our old nature. So, any good we do is God working through us, not us working for God on our own.
Onviously, it was not in the will of God for these so called Christians to tack back Jeruselem. Under Muslim rule, it was an open city where Muslims, Jews, and Christians were allowed to worship (Albeit they had to pay a tax). These so called Christians killed the Jews with the same fervor that they killed the Muslims. After 100 years of missuse, God gace it back to the Muslims and there it stayed until 1947. The fact that God allwed the Muslims to send these fake christians packing if proof that the crusaders were not in the will of God. In spite of the cries "God wills it!" It turns out that he did not.
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