The True Sabbath and the Millennial Rest Foreshadowed

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heretoeternity said:
Jesus said "if you love me keep my Commandments" John 14.15 and "to enter into life keep the commandments" Matthew 19.17 and He goes on to identify the ten commandments...if you do not believe in them as is your apparent belief structure, then you better check what spirit you are following, because it does not line up with the teachings of Jesus.
I stick up for believers Rom 8:33. All you do is accuse them, day and night Rev 12:10.
 

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If you do not believe the words of Jesus in the Bible, or chose to ignore them, that is your problem...
Like I said, accuse. It's what you believe. That's why you can't stop.
 

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heretoeternity said:
Jesus said "if you love me keep my Commandments" John 14.15 and "to enter into life keep the commandments" Matthew 19.17 and He goes on to identify the ten commandments...if you do not believe in them as is your apparent belief structure, then you better check what spirit you are following, because it does not line up with the teachings of Jesus.
Jesus didn't say keep the Ten Commandments. He just gave some examples of commandments to keep. And he was speaking to a Jew who was in the Old (Sinai) Covenant.

Moreover let's take another example - Mk 10:17-19
And as he was setting out on his journey, a man ran up and knelt before him, and asked him, "Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?" And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone. You know the commandments: 'Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.'"
Where is "Do not defraud" in the Ten Commandments?
The answer is that it isn't in the Ten Commandments. It comes from Lev 19:13 "You shall not defraud your neighbor".

Another command from Lev 19 is "You shall not go around as a slanderer among your people" (vs 16). Do you keep that when you say to people "satan loves you"?

When Jesus was asked which commandment in the law was the greatest he quoted from Dt 6:5 & Lv 19:18, not from the Ten Commandments.
 

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Jesus was very clear on keeping God's commandments..John 14.15 and Matthew 19.17 for example, where He identifies the Ten commandments specifically...just because some religious organizations and beliefs fail to keep the commandments of God by their doctrines, or do not want to keep them does NOT negate these Commandments, but proves they are not sincere in following the word of God..Revelation 13, 17. 18 and 2nd Thess.2 v 3&4
 

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God's commandments
Actually He said "my commandments" not Gods .

And yet as I said you break them every day all to your own condmentaion, because you chose to add teh law"works of your own hands" and rejected grace the works of Jesus. Keeping the law will not save you, but you cant seem to comprehend that.

Joh_1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Gal_2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Gal_5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

But you wont listen, choose not to listen.
 

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heretoeternity said:
Jesus was very clear on keeping God's commandments..John 14.15 and Matthew 19.17 for example, where He identifies the Ten commandments specifically...just because some religious organizations and beliefs fail to keep the commandments of God by their doctrines, or do not want to keep them does NOT negate these Commandments, but proves they are not sincere in following the word of God..Revelation 13, 17. 18 and 2nd Thess.2 v 3&4
Jesus didn't say keep the Ten Commandments. He just gave some examples of commandments to keep. And he was speaking to a Jew who was in the Old (Sinai) Covenant.

Moreover let's take another example - Mk 10:17-19
And as he was setting out on his journey, a man ran up and knelt before him, and asked him, "Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?" And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone. You know the commandments: 'Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.'"
Where is "Do not defraud" in the Ten Commandments?
The answer is that it isn't in the Ten Commandments. It comes from Lev 19:13 "You shall not defraud your neighbor".

Another command from Lev 19 is "You shall not go around as a slanderer among your people" (vs 16). Do you keep that when you say to people "satan loves you"?

When Jesus was asked which commandment in the law was the greatest he quoted from Dt 6:5 & Lv 19:18, not from the Ten Commandments.
 

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The typical method of satan attacks on the Bible is to avoid following it, misrepresent it, and add and subtract from the words, similar to the pagan based Roman religious system and it's daughters...they do not follow the word of God, but follow the doctrines of their leadership, who they adore and worship as infallible...The Bible says to worship God, by following His commandments 1st John..."by this we love God, by following His commandments, and they are NOT burdensome"...
The doctrines of man religious organization says "obey the pope to become saved, and for forgiveness of sins" so says Pope John Paul 11 and the ones before and after him...so who you going to follow, God or these fallible, fallen leaders? Matthew 15 and Mark 7..
Also read Daniel 7, 2nd Thess 2 2 and 4, Rev 13,17 and 18..
 

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heretoeternity said:
The typical method of satan attacks on the Bible is to avoid following it, misrepresent it, and add and subtract from the words, similar to the pagan based Roman religious system and it's daughters...they do not follow the word of God, but follow the doctrines of their leadership, who they adore and worship as infallible...The Bible says to worship God, by following His commandments 1st John..."by this we love God, by following His commandments, and they are NOT burdensome"...
The doctrines of man religious organization says "obey the pope to become saved, and for forgiveness of sins" so says Pope John Paul 11 and the ones before and after him...so who you going to follow, God or these fallible, fallen leaders? Matthew 15 and Mark 7..
Also read Daniel 7, 2nd Thess 2 2 and 4, Rev 13,17 and 18..
Jesus didn't say keep the Ten Commandments. He just gave some examples of commandments to keep. And he was speaking to a Jew who was in the Old (Sinai) Covenant.

Moreover let's take another example - Mk 10:17-19
And as he was setting out on his journey, a man ran up and knelt before him, and asked him, "Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?" And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone. You know the commandments: 'Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.'"
Where is "Do not defraud" in the Ten Commandments?
The answer is that it isn't in the Ten Commandments. It comes from Lev 19:13 "You shall not defraud your neighbor".

Another command from Lev 19 is "You shall not go around as a slanderer among your people" (vs 16). Do you keep that when you say to people "satan loves you"?

When Jesus was asked which commandment in the law was the greatest he quoted from Dt 6:5 & Lv 19:18, not from the Ten Commandments.
 

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Of course He was referring to the Ten commandments, as they are God's law...Matthew 19.17 He even describes them when He says "to enter into life keep the commandments" and He goes on to describe them...Apostle John says in 1st John "those who say they know Him and keep not His commandments are liars and the truth is not in them" and "this is the Love of God that we keep His commandments and they are not grievous.
The antichrist will try and have you believe differently, by trying to convince you to not keep God's commandments, but to follow the traditions of man...Daniel 7, 2nd Thess 2 3&4 Revelation 13, 17 and 18...
A good website to read with the Biblical and historical facts identifying the antichrist is"End times deception: The antichrist hidden in plain sight"
 

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Underline: Love

John 13:34-35 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

John 15:12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.

John 15:17 This is my command: Love each other.

Rom 13:8-10 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Gal 5:6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

Gal 5:14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

1 Tim 1:3-7 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain people not to teach false doctrines any longer 4or to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. Such things promote controversial speculations rather than advancing God’s work—which is by faith. 5The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. 6Some have departed from these and have turned to meaningless talk. 7They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.

1 John 2:9-11 Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates a brother or sister is still in the darkness. 10Anyone who loves their brother and sister lives in the light, and there is nothing in them to make them stumble. 11But anyone who hates a brother or sister is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness. They do not know where they are going, because the darkness has blinded them.

1 John 3:23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.

1 John 4:21 And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.

2 John 1:6 And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.
 

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Biblical love is defined by keeping the Commandments of God as per
John 14.15 Jesus said "if you love me keep my Commandments"
James 1.22 and Romans 2.13 "it is doer of the law which are justified, not hearers of the law
Romans 3.31 "do we make void the law through faith? God forbid. We establish the law"
1st John 5.2 and 2.3 "by this we know we have the love of God, in that we keep His commandments"
Revelation 12.17 "salvation is for those who have the testimony of Jesus and keep God's commandments"
Revelation 22 "behold I come quickly and my reward is with me for every man according to his WORKS"
 

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heretoeternity said:
Biblical love is defined by keeping the Commandments of God as per
John 14.15 Jesus said "if you love me keep my Commandments"
James 1.22 and Romans 2.13 "it is doer of the law which are justified, not hearers of the law
Romans 3.31 "do we make void the law through faith? God forbid. We establish the law"
1st John 5.2 and 2.3 "by this we know we have the love of God, in that we keep His commandments"
Revelation 12.17 "salvation is for those who have the testimony of Jesus and keep God's commandments"
Revelation 22 "behold I come quickly and my reward is with me for every man according to his WORKS"
The law is not the fulfillment of law. Love is the fulfillment of the law. That's why Christ died on the cross.
 

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heretoeternity said:
Do you have Biblical love is you do not follow His word and Commandments?
Following God's commandments is the Biblical love to which the Bible refers...
Biblical love as in the indwelling Holy Spirit? Yes I do. 1 John 4:19.
 

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Do you have Biblical love is you do not follow His word and Commandments?
No such thing as biblical love there is only the love of man whiich does not amount to much and the Love of God which surpasses all understanding, as for the Comandemnt Jesus spoke of " to love one another as He loves us" well the Law is no indication of love, for the law Kills people it does not save anyone though you insist it does which speaks against the bible you so love.

Gal_2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Gal_5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

So by insisting on keeping the law you are actually denying the very Christ you are trying to prove you love.

Your works like the works of all men are folly and prove nothing but man is proud and insist He can make himself like Christ through his own works. But you wont go to Christ so what hope do you have of getting "revelation", it comes from God, not the bible or your own wisdom.
 

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No such thing as biblical love there is only the love of man whiich does not amount to much and the Love of God which surpasses all understanding, as for the Comandemnt Jesus spoke of " to love one another as He loves us" well the Law is no indication of love, for the law Kills people it does not save anyone though you insist it does which speaks against the bible you so love.

Gal_2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Gal_5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

So by insisting on keeping the law you are actually denying the very Christ you are trying to prove you love.

Your works like the works of all men are folly and prove nothing but man is proud and insist He can make himself like Christ through his own works. But you wont go to Christ so what hope do you have of getting "revelation", it comes from God, not the bible or your own wisdom.
Ignore the teachings of Jesus, and the Apostles if you want, but remember Jesus words in Matthew 7..depart from me I never knew you, you who practice lawlessness" and Jesus again in Revelation 22.."behold I come quickly and my reward is with me for every man according to his works"
 

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Ignore the teachings of Jesus, and the Apostles if you want, but remember Jesus words in Matthew 7..depart from me I never knew you, you who practice lawlessness" and Jesus again in Revelation 22.."behold I come quickly and my reward is with me for every man according to his works
Whos ignoring the teachings of Jesus, who here is practising lawlesness, is it not you and Pm that are so insistent on the law and sin, is it not you to that are sin concious, for that is all you speak of,

You insist that we keep His ' well actually Gods commanments the ten written on stone the "law", and yet you yourself break them daily, so you yourself are not keeping them. Does not that make you a liar?? and not only that a sinner and lawless, have you not read,

1Ti 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

So does not than make you lawless???

or as it also says

Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

I hope you understand wher you have put "yourself".
 

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heretoeternity said:
Biblical love is defined by keeping the Commandments of God as per
John 14.15 Jesus said "if you love me keep my Commandments"
Jesus said keep MY commandments.
Where did Jesus ever command Christians to keep the Saturday Sabbath?