n2thelight
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It's not replacement,the Church has always been Israel....Marcus O'Reillius said:Replacement theology: Not valid.
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It's not replacement,the Church has always been Israel....Marcus O'Reillius said:Replacement theology: Not valid.
Ah, no.n2thelight said:It's not replacement,the Church has always been Israel....
Jesus said:keras said:So, Marcus, in order to maintain your belief in a rapture to heaven of the Church, something that is not actually prophesied to happen, you must contradict Jesus and the Apostles.
Marcus O'Reillius said:Ah, no.
We were considered a sect of Judaism before some Jewish men from Cyrus and Cyrene went to Antioch - Acts 11:20-21.
Christians weren't even distinguished from their Jewish brethren even then; they were just named differently.
The real schism didn't come until much later to escape persecution with the First and Second Jewish Revolts.
Eventually, Christianity would even come to persecute the Jews themselves.
I consider this just one manifestation from many such occurrences of the fallen angel Satan's outrage at God's Chosen people: the Jews as per Revelation 12:13.
At that time of Acts 11, Paul was still Saul, and he was only preaching in the Synagogues.
By the time Paul becomes Paul and writes the book or Romans - in captivity after his travels and travails - only then does he make the distinction between natural Israel and the Church as the "Spiritual" Israel always held out as God's desire for his brethren: natural Israel.
Paul warns the Church not to eschew the Jews who even persecuted Christians at that time; that the Jews too could and would be saved.
There are two people today.
We will be united in Christ.
The Jews "miss" Jesus at His Return.
But God will save a Remnant through the desolations He has decreed.
And the sun will shine brightly when He heals the wounds He has inflicted upon them - Isaiah 30:26.
And the Jews and other nations - the meek - will come to know the Messiah King, Jesus, in the Millennium.
And so both will be united in Christ.
That's Progressive Dispensationalism and it's in the Bible.
Reading the Church for Israel every time the word is used in prophecy is Replacement theology, and it's not valid.
1Th 4:17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.keras said:it means having to admit they have been deceived and need to repent, especially if they have taught a rapture to others.
Oh, I got bigger problems than that.n2thelight said:Therein lies your problem,you think Israel consists of only Jew's,when they only make up two tribes
Errors in the above post:Marcus O'Reillius said:1Th 4:17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.
Unless you're on a mission to destroy, then you have to repent and follow the blind writer of Bible study guides.
I'll let you go against God and see how that works out for you.
The Bible never says we are taken to Jerusalem after we meet the Lord in the air either.
But it does say a Great Multitude show up in Heaven after the Day of the Lord's precursor signs in the sun, moon, and stars.
Until you realize that the Christian nations make up Israel,your problems will stay big...Marcus O'Reillius said:Oh, I got bigger problems than that.
Paul uses "Jews" in a generic sense too. He is not talking only about Judah.
So, if you want to get ultra-literal, you're going to get lost in words.
No. Israel is Israel.n2thelight said:Until you realize that the Christian nations make up Israel,your problems will stay big...
No, it is of the Rapture - which you say isn't in the Bible.keras said:1/ The prophecy in 1 Thess is at the Return of Jesus to the earth.
And you tell people 1Co 15:51-52 and 1Th 4:17 aren't related and that 1Th 4:17 isn't the Rapture - the exchange of a mortal body for an immortal body.keras said:2/ We are encouraged by the fact He will Return and gather us.
You deceive yourself in grandiosity. If you would actively seek the truth, you would be wise. However, purporting to know the truth, you set yourself up as a god. Yet, you are not able to be sharpened, and hold onto that which is false - like saying no person can go to Heaven at all - when the Bible says we lack the ability to get there on our own power - and saying God will have the sun explode and burn a third of the earth - on a day when He heals the wounds He has inflicted!keras said:3/ My mission is to promote the truth of the Prophetic Word.
Teaching to expect an out-of-body experience for the few Elect who remain and are still alive after the Great Tribulation - who see Jesus coming with the multitude of souls in immortal bodies from Paradise on the clouds - is not to against God.keras said:4/ People who believe false teachings at the ones going against God.
Again, you misrepresent the Bible.keras said:5/ The Bible says Jesus Returns to Jerusalem. Zechariah 14:3
No they're not. This is stupid. We've been over and over this before. God's Throne does not move from Rev chapter 4 until chapter 7.keras said:6/ The great multitude are on earth.
While flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of Heaven - Enoch, Elijah, Ezekiel, and John all go there in the flesh.keras said:Never is heaven mentioned as a destination for living people.
Nope. John says he hears a Great Multitude. You are misinterpreting the Bible saying it's the souls of the Martyrs crying in 19:1-2.keras said:It is the souls of the martyrs in Rev 19:1-2, proved by fact they praise God for taking vengeance for their blood.
The nasty way in which you denigrate me with insults is exactly the reason I wish no discussion with you.keras said:Well Marcus, we disagree on quite a lot, but as you are somewhat less of a weirdo than some other people here, excepting for the nasty way you denigrate people: that is to your discredit, we could discuss some issues:
Point #8. Again, you are unable to correct yourself. The Bible says a Great Multitude shout. The Martyrs are still beneath the floor. The Great Multitude, though, is right there.While flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of Heaven - Enoch, Elijah, Ezekiel, and John all go there in the flesh.
Secondly, John 3:13 does not say people CANNOT go to Heaven - see the four above who were taken there by God - it says WE are not able to go on our own!
It's called the Greek active voice - what keras says it means is not true.
Furthermore - we go there as "Living" people, because our God is the God of the "Living".
We go there not as living persons in our sinful flesh and blood bodies - we go there in our new immortal, and imperishable bodies.
DUDE!keras said:Your beliefs color all your thinking, so it is your end time beliefs that I question;