The Impassibility of God.

This does not say the Logos is equal with God, it says the Logos is God.
This is basic Christianity. A lack of comprehension or a twisting of the Scripture here is paramount to worshiping a false god or inviting someone less than God to be your Savior.

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Revelation that bit that come from God. Of course the Word was there in the beginning, Just as my words are with me now., the word became man, became Jesus (yeshua) when the seed of God was implanted in Mary and became a mortal soul, than Christ became, He is from God just as my sons are from me. My X cant even tell my middle son from me when we are on the phone she has to ask to which of us she is speaking. Have you not read. "the word of God became flesh", or " the words that I speak they are life", God spoke His word, Mary accepted His word and teh life given became Jesus. How is it that if Jesus was God, that He continually said "only the father knows". is He a liar, or a deceiver, God word never returns Void, just as in Christ went back to the father with His works complete. When men start asking God and stop leaning on there own understanding and stop trying to be pleasing to men and instead be pleasing to God than the world will change. Until than christianity is just another religion

19 So then the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God

StanJ said:

Of course God cares but that doesn't stem from emotionalism, it stems from him being LOVE and love cares, love hopes, love endures all things, all those things that I'm sure you've read in 1 Corinthians 13. It doesn't say anywhere in 1 Corinthians 13 that God hates or despises or regrets or feels sorry? God is not emotionally invested in his creation he made a decision to create and all that he decided to do he decided before he actually created, so that could not possibly be based on emotion.

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God cares. But that is not emotion?

God loves, but that is not emotion?

Hate, despise, regret, feel sorry,....but that is emotion, which of course you say God doesn't do.

Your argument is easy for you when you set the definition of words. I know, you don't want to talk because I don't understand.

Stranger

mjrhealth said:

Revelation that bit that come from God. Of course the Word was there in the beginning, Just as my words are with me now., the word became man, became Jesus (yeshua) when the seed of God was implanted in Mary and became a mortal soul, than Christ became, He is from God just as my sons are from me. My X cant even tell my middle son from me when we are on the phone she has to ask to which of us she is speaking. Have you not read. "the word of God became flesh", or " the words that I speak they are life", God spoke His word, Mary accepted His word and teh life given became Jesus. How is it that if Jesus was God, that He continually said "only the father knows". is He a liar, or a deceiver, God word never returns Void, just as in Christ went back to the father with His works complete. When men start asking God and stop leaning on there own understanding and stop trying to be pleasing to men and instead be pleasing to God than the world will change. Until than christianity is just another religion

19 So then the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God

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Jesus is God the Son. He can speak of God the Father as God also.

Christianity is not another religion. It is the only true worship given to God. All others are bull.

Stranger

Christianity is not another religion. It is the only true worship given to God. All others are bull.

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Depends on where you stand

He can speak of God the Father as God also.

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???? so God doesnt know what God is doing??

StanJ said:

Well if you did look at the Hebrew for Psalm 22 you see that it is not the same as Mark and in fact the language in Mark is Aramaic. Just because you think it may sound the same as Psalm 22 does not mean he was quoting it.

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But it is equally as plausible Jesus was quoting it.

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You use words like 'seems' or 'it can be argued', simply to justify your opposition but in actuality they don't.

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I use those words because they fit my position, not that I need to justify my position to you or anyone.

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It's funny how you can conclude this is a mystery but still have your own opinion rather than accept what the words clearly tell you? That's pretty convenient.

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If you read and interpret my response correctly you would understand I do accept the words

StanJ said:

There is nothing in Hebrews 1:3 that indicates the hypostasis that got undertook could not be reversed at his will. John 1 tells us that the word became flesh and dwelt among us, that does not mean that he could not unbecome flesh.

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Here you are making an argument based on the absence of Scripture. You can insert the bogeyman into the text in the same manor of reasoning. Is this really how you want to argue your case?

StanJ said:

You are imposing your predisposition on to the text where there is no scriptural support for you to do so.

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Actually I did provide Scripture. And lets remember it was you who asked me to interpret this portion of Scripture. If you don't like my interpretations don't ask.

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If God is the God of the impossible, as Jesus said, then he could do anything he wants to do

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This is a false conclusion...God never does anything outside of His nature. One thing God can not do is to deny Himself (IOW God can not believe He does not exist), like you are saying He did in Jesus for a brief period of time. You speak heresy in your belief because it goes against the nature of God. Perhaps this heresy stems from false assumptions you posses like this one you presented?

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and as such one thing we know for sure is that God will not reside with sin.

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But the LORD was pleased
To crush Him, putting Him to grief;
If He would render Himself as a guilt offering,
He will see His offspring,
He will prolong His days,
And the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.
As a result of the anguish of His soul,
He will see it and be satisfied;
By His knowledge the Righteous One,
My Servant, will justify the many,
As He will bear their iniquities.

Is 53:10–11.

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The hypostasis was a spiritual one not a physical one because if it were also a physical one then Jesus never could have died because God can't die.

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And this very Jesus is in heaven right now...very much alive.

mjrhealth said:

Depends on where you stand

???? so God doesnt know what God is doing??

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Depends on if you believe the Bible.

I don't understand your question. God always knows what He is doing.

Stranger

StanJ said:

As I've explained to you repeatedly the Bible says God is love that means God is not anything else. So that means that anything that's related to love is what God is and anything that's contrary to what love is, is not God. Again, read 1 Cor 13.

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I read it. I already told you that I agree, God is love. But you are saying God is love, but He doesn't love.

Stranger

Depends on if you believe the Bible.

I don't understand your question. God always knows what He is doing.

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Believeing teh bible is one thing believing God is another they quiet often contradict one another, or should i say teh bible quiet often contradicts God. As to the question.

Matt 24:36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[a] but only the Father.

Now if Jesus was God He would know, and if He is God than He is lying because He says he doesnt know. So which one is it. And it not the only time He has made similar statements.

mjrhealth said:

Believeing teh bible is one thing believing God is another they quiet often contradict one another, or should i say teh bible quiet often contradicts God. As to the question.

Matt 24:36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[a] but only the Father.

Now if Jesus was God He would know, and if He is God than He is lying because He says he doesnt know. So which one is it. And it not the only time He has made similar statements.

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Believing the Bible is believing God. If the Bible contradicts God, then from where do you get the correct information? What is your source to prove that Jesus is not God?

God consists of three Persons. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Of these the Father is greater. (John 14:28) "...because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I." So God the Father is greater than God the Son. And when it pleases the Father, He makes known His will to the Son. So, concerning the verse you cite, (Matt. 24:36), at that time God had not revealed to the Son this information. But He did reveal it to Him later. (Rev. 1:1) "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass;..." This doesn't mean the Son is not God. It means the Father is greater than the Son. God is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Stranger

Believing the Bible is believing God. If the Bible contradicts God, then from where do you get the correct information?

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I guess you never did this bit,

1Jn_2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Where do you think teh truth comes from??

Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

And what does teh truth do,

Joh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Whos words?? His

Joh_6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

and as he says

Joh_5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

that was after he said this bit

Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

You want the truth than you go to jesus its really that simple.

God is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

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Jesus and te hHoly Spirirt are a part of God just as my Son is a part of me. Now if Jesus was God tha nGod would not have to,


Joh_3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

Joh 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

mjrhealth

None of the Scriptures you give say anything about Jesus not being God. All the verses are true with Christ as God The Son.

(John 5:39) is not saying the Scriptures are not the Word of God. The problem was the Jews were not believing them in rejecting Christ.

But, I asked you from where you get your information about Jesus not being God. And all you give me is Scripture. Why?...since you don't need it. You supposedly have an anointing whereby you don't need the Scripture.

So tell me what the Holy Spirit has revealed to you that is not in Scripture. Did the Holy Spirit come to you and impress on your spirit that Jesus is not God? Please don't give me Scripture again, because you already said it is just the words of men, and you don't need it because you have the Holy Spirit.

I think we are getting away from the original topic.

Stranger

don't need it because you have the Holy Spirit.

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Actualy you dont and yet its getting off topic

Luk_12:12 For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.
Joh_14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

1Jn_2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Or

Mat_16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

and he never had any bible ..

as Jesus put it

Joh_5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

yes te bible tells you about Jesus but...

Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Gal_1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Eph_4:21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

and

1Co_3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

if the bible was Gods word what would there br to argue about?? it would be true and Amen

mjrhealth

Since you believe the Bible is not the Word of God, why do you keep giving me Scripture? If you believe the Bible is not the Word of God, then it carries no authority with you. So how can you use it in your argument?

You are a contradiction, as i have said before.

Stranger

I love how mjr posts is always taken out of context. Of course he believes it's the Word of God. He just doesn't use it to save himself.

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Revelation that bit that come from God. Of course the Word was there in the beginning, Just as my words are with me now., the word became man, became Jesus (yeshua) when the seed of God was implanted in Mary and became a mortal soul, than Christ became, He is from God just as my sons are from me. My X cant even tell my middle son from me when we are on the phone she has to ask to which of us she is speaking. Have you not read. "the word of God became flesh", or " the words that I speak they are life", God spoke His word, Mary accepted His word and teh life given became Jesus. How is it that if Jesus was God, that He continually said "only the father knows". is He a liar, or a deceiver, God word never returns Void, just as in Christ went back to the father with His works complete. When men start asking God and stop leaning on there own understanding and stop trying to be pleasing to men and instead be pleasing to God than the world will change. Until than christianity is just another religion

19 So then the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God

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God has revealed Himself in His Word that never contradicts Himself. The Spirit will not contradict the Bible nor the Logos, and none will contradict the Father. To ask of God you need only to look to His sacred text and His Spirit. He has already faithfully revealed Himself and this is what it is to ask.

HEAR THE WORD OF THE LORD:

5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,
6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name,
10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. - Philippians 2:8-11

Jesus is the exact representation of God, even in the form of God, yet the Logos humbled Himself by becoming man. This does not mean Jesus is not God. Just as the Logos is God, so is Jesus Christ. The Eternal Father who humbled Himself was always obedient to God while His earthly mission was fulfilled. Not all is revealed to man, but all is known to God. That which is not written is shut up for God's purpose, and that which Jesus revealed is written for the grace of the elect.

As He told Philip:
8 Philip said to him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us."
9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? - John 14:8-9

Do you not believe the Word MJR?

StanJ said:

Not even close... different language different words.
I know why you use them but that's not the way exegete this works. You infer correctness when it's not there.
Not quite...you except your own interpolation. I shouldn't have to interpret your response it should be plain and straightforward.
Really? Where exactly is the scripture that supports your position? Using ridiculous and allergies really doesn't work on me and if it wasn't the way I wanted to argue my case I wouldn't have said it. As you should know I'm also pretty immune to ploys at condescension.
I didn't ask you to provide scriptural interpretation for me I asked you to provide scripture that would corroborate or support your point of view and you didn't. Typical ploy on your part.
I'm afraid you're the one making false conclusions/assumptions. God can also not make you change your mind if you don't want to get saved, but for some reason you believe he can save you when you didn't even decide that you wanted to be saved... Talk about mental gymnastics. Like I said if you can't support your point of view with scripture then you resort to condescension and derogatory comments which sadly is typical for people of your soteriological position and ilk.
Nice verse but all this means is that God's will was that Jesus died on the cross not that he himself died on the cross. What God did is give us his only begotten son not himself.
Which very Jesus? The one you believe died as a hypostatic union or the one I believe died as soley a human being/only begotten son of God. Rom 5:17

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Here you have denied Jesus' divinity.

God's only begotten Son is God.

StanJ you do not believe Jesus Christ is God. You have proven you are heretical to Christianity.