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in your opinion, perhaps, but Jesus is not God, no matter how much you need Him to be, even while if you saw Christ in the flesh, you would have perceived, seen the Father in spirit, yes. But the point is that Stan has not proven any heresy on his part, and the "strange doctrine" is actually the one trying to make Jesus into God, with all due respect.
 

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bbyrd009 said:
in your opinion, perhaps, but Jesus is not God, no matter how much you need Him to be,

But the point is that Stan has not proven any heresy on his part, and the "strange doctrine" is actually the one trying to make Jesus into God, with all due respect.
finally, you show your fruits. its about time bby. John 8:44.
 

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Here you have denied Jesus' divinity.

God's only begotten Son is God.

StanJ you do not believe Jesus Christ is God. You have proven you are heretical to Christianity.
it;s about time
 

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(Isaiah 9:6) " For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

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Since you believe the Bible is not the Word of God, why do you keep giving me Scripture? If you believe the Bible is not the Word of God, then it carries no authority with you. So how can you use it in your argument?
Becuase you like so many wont listen to Jesus nor teh Holy Spirit who is gievn to all men who believe, not to teach us teh bible but the truth, teh bible is not God and he does not have to agree with it, thats mens foolishness.

Of course he believes it's the Word of God. He just doesn't use it to save himsel
Actyullay its not if it where all those who read it would be walikng in the truth and all men would have life and tehre would be no need of forums because tehre would be nothing to discuss., according to the bible, Jesus said scripture cannot give you life so how can it be the word of God. The bible has no power as teh bible puts it, teh dead letter, only listening to teh voice of Jesus can one have life.

2Co_3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Joh_6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
 
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What truth is the Holy Spirit giving you that isn't in the Bible? Is the Holy Spirit the One Who told you the Bible is not the Word of God? Does the Holy Spirit teach you that Jesus is not God?

Just what is the Holy Spirit teaching you?

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justaname said:
Here you have denied Jesus' divinity.
God's only begotten Son is God.
StanJ you do not believe Jesus Christ is God. You have proven you are heretical to Christianity.
Nope, I've just explained a part of his death. Do you believe God can die?
God's only begotten son is Jesus who was conceived by Mary from the Holy Spirit. He was the word incarnate in a hypostatic union which does not mean that God could not and that hypostatic Union if and when he had to.
 

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bbyrd009 said:
in your opinion, perhaps, but Jesus is not God, no matter how much you need Him to be, even while if you saw Christ in the flesh, you would have perceived, seen the Father in spirit, yes. But the point is that Stan has not proven any heresy on his part, and the "strange doctrine" is actually the one trying to make Jesus into God, with all due respect.
Jesus was and is God the fact that the hypostatic union cease to exist for the time that Jesus was crucified and died is the only thing that I'm talking about. When Jesus was resurrected and glorified by God he was again hypostatic Union and was indeed God.
 

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What truth is the Holy Spirit giving you that isn't in the Bible? Is the Holy Spirit the One Who told you the Bible is not the Word of God? Does the Holy Spirit teach you that Jesus is not God?
Maybe you should ask, its so sad that the bible and church keep so many from God, Jesus only ever called men to Himself , you should try talking to Him He is teh Living Word. He aint dead. You wont find teh truth anywhere else.As for JEsus being God, remeber Abraham, who did God ask him to Sacrifice. it was His own son, ddo you think God would ask one to do such a thing and not do it Himself. It was not God that went to the cross, salvation in not in God it was His word. jesus, who He sent. how can God be seperated from God yet Christ was because of our Sin, and that is teh truth.
 

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mjrhealth said:
Maybe you should ask, its so sad that the bible and church keep so many from God, Jesus only ever called men to Himself , you should try talking to Him He is teh Living Word. He aint dead. You wont find teh truth anywhere else.As for JEsus being God, remeber Abraham, who did God ask him to Sacrifice. it was His own son, ddo you think God would ask one to do such a thing and not do it Himself. It was not God that went to the cross, salvation in not in God it was His word. jesus, who He sent. how can God be seperated from God yet Christ was because of our Sin, and that is teh truth.
It's sad that you have no answer. You don't believe the Bible as the Word of God but you use it to form your unbelief.

Of course God asked Abraham to sacrifice his own son, Isaac. The Bible says so.

No, you are producing lies about Christ, not the Truth. Because of your unbelief, you have to make up what you believe as you go. Do you believe the Holy Spirit is telling you these lies?

You ask "How can God"? That's why it's called a 'mystery'. God doesn't require me to know all the ins and outs of how He did something. He does require my belief.

(1 Timothy 3:16) " And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

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StanJ said:
Jesus was and is God the fact that the hypostatic union cease to exist for the time that Jesus was crucified and died is the only thing that I'm talking about. When Jesus was resurrected and glorified by God he was again hypostatic Union and was indeed God.
No, you can't have it both ways.

What you have done is made the Person of Christ someone who is indwelt by God. You make the Person of Christ not the Person of The Son. You have merged toward a sort of Gnosticism.

(1Timothy 3:16) "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

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finally, you show your fruits. its about time bby. John 8:44.
yes well you can condemn if you like, but you cannot reply to Scripture, in the many places that contest your model; you are reduced to using Scripture like a whip, on others, so it becomes plain to all whose father is satan, wadr. And opinions are not fruits, anyway. Beliefs are not fruits. Fruits come from beliefs, i would agree with that, and there is a fruit that comes from any belief, but i do not condemn you for believing Jesus is God, if you like; Love believes all things, see, and i don't have a Scripture to beat you with, ok, and i even forgive you.

Pray to Jesus, if you like, even, i don't care, but recognize that vast swathes of the Book are now incomprehensible to you, and even direct quotes from Christ now cannot make any sense, ok. So it at least might be a good idea to keep an open mind, and find your own way to reconcile "Why do you call Me good? No one is good except the Father" with your current model, however that might be, that does not require condemning everyone who holds a different belief.
 

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justaname said:
Here you have denied Jesus' divinity.

God's only begotten Son is God.

StanJ you do not believe Jesus Christ is God. You have proven you are heretical to Christianity.
if this is true, then congratulations, Stan. "Well done!" :)
 

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StanJ said:
Jesus was and is God the fact that the hypostatic union cease to exist for the time that Jesus was crucified and died is the only thing that I'm talking about. When Jesus was resurrected and glorified by God he was again hypostatic Union and was indeed God.
my argument there would be that you then have a dichotomy that you cannot resolve at the "Body of Christ." See this whole "Jesus was God" thing ends up being a denial of where the Body of Christ is, right now, and note that even the term "was" is always used, at least until i get in the mix and start using the word "is," "We is the Body of Christ, right now, and God is the Head of Christ, right now," and one can meet Him in the Air, right now, too, unless of course one are waiting for some other body to come and physically, bodily "save" one, even as one simultaneously claims OSAS, and that they are saved, already.

And we have quite vivid interpretations of this phenomenon, it is not new, and the comparisons to looking to the Snake on a Pole, and later, the descendants worshipping Nehushtan in the Promised Land, must be considered with an open mind, and if they don't apply--which, they do, to anyone whom you hear saying that they are saved in one breath, and that "things used to be better than they are now" (snakebit) in the next breath--then at least find some application for them, because they speak right to a seeker, imo, and i could fill a page with the comparisons, but yet i never hear a sermon on this Nehushtan worship, and cannot get so much as a single comment on it when i bring it up, for reasons that become increasingly obvious, the more one hears.

And from there it is a simple thing to get leaders who would not abide a woman pastor to start whole-heartedly endorsing "female" interpretations of meeting Him in the Air, not recognizing that hypocrisy is being manifested there, too, so now you got like 3 things, that all witness for each other, which i'm being pointed here so let me just say that i have not suddenly become much less of a hypocrite myself or anything, ok, it is all still just vanity in another sense, and it is one's heart that God judges, not one's beliefs, but we nonetheless reap what we sow, meaning you can confess what you like, you are still going to manifest what you believe to be true, and it is you who will reap the fruit. This is a blessing, and a guide.
 

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You don't believe the Bible as the Word of God but you use it to form your unbelief.
yet you cannot reply to

In the Beginning was the Bible, and the Bible was with God, and the Bible was God,

and you can't use the Bible to connect the Word directly with the Bible any other way, so you are going to be reduced to empty accusation, with all due respect, without these.
 

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bbyrd009 said:
yet you cannot reply to

In the Beginning was the Bible, and the Bible was with God, and the Bible was God,

and you can't use the Bible to connect the Word directly with the Bible any other way, so you are going to be reduced to empty accusation, with all due respect, without these.
I don't know what you're trying to say. And I don't think you do either.

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I don't know what you're trying to say. And I don't think you do either.

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well then, you can just leave that for someone else, if you like, if it is not relevant to your walk today, or you can ask for clarification, or you can in fact seek whatever it is you wish to find, recognizing that this is what you are doing right now, and it will be obvious to anyone with ears to hear, because any fruit cannot be hidden for long. You chose that direction, of the many you might have chosen, because that is the direction that serves you, obviously, and that is all that any of us can do, really, is to manifest our beliefs, and reap the harvest.
 

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I don't know what you're trying to say. And I don't think you do either.
No that hard, if teh bible was Gods word it would have being there in the beginning but it cannot, for Christ is Gods word and there fore He can make that calim, "before Abraham was I am", he wasnt claiming to be God but He was there as Gods word. But man seem to enjoy making teh bible equal to Jesus which it is not and even raising it above God far to many times.
 

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No that hard, if teh bible was Gods word it would have being there in the beginning but it cannot, for Christ is Gods word and there fore He can make that calim, "before Abraham was I am", he wasnt claiming to be God but He was there as Gods word. But man seem to enjoy making teh bible equal to Jesus which it is not and even raising it above God far to many times.
Why would the Bible be there in the begining? It is God who chose the way in which the Bible was formed.

Why wasn't Christ making the claim that He was God? The Jews understood what He said, which is why they tried to kill Him.

And, why don't your address (1 Tim. 3:16)? I know,... with your method of interpretation, which is you, you can say that isn't Scripture. That's handy.

Why did Jesus say 'It is written'?

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It is God who chose the way in which the Bible was formed.
that is an assumption that has cost mankind dearly.

Why wasn't Christ making the claim that He was God? The Jews understood what He said, which is why they tried to kill Him.
The bible clearly states

Joh_5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

read it...

3iti 2.26

and what is theer to undeestand, Jesus said if you have seeing me than you have seeing the father, why,

Joh_10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

Christ never claimed to be God, not once ever. He cleary stated that the works he did where the works of God, He did nothing of Himself, everything He did proved who God is, He showed who God is on teh earth by His works.