genesis question...

(crooner;29523)
WhirlwindIt is not obvious!!!1 other wise we would not be debating this. Look I have no motive to be right here, but if it was obvious we would all see it. I feel that your doing the same thing the pre-rap people are doing. Making up a story thats not there. I am willing to listen but I hear the same record over and over. Adding to scripture like the Jehovah witnessess do. Give us something better!!!
Crooner, we're not making stuff up. I have no intention to be proud of it, nor do I wish to be right. I rather stay humbled to the Lord, for it is right thing to do. Where does wisdom comes from, God? or humans?For what we said is True, for it is what the Hebrew says.Look at Genesis 3:1 for example, is the word serpent a literal snake? or is it the fallen angel Satan? Now look at the word beast...is it referring to animals? or is it referring to people?JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.

This is out of strongs05175 vxn nachash naw-khawsh'from 05172; n m; {See TWOT on 1347 @@ "1347a"}AV-serpent 31; 311) serpent, snake1a) serpent1b) image (of serpent)1c) fleeing serpent (mythological)02416 yx chay khah'- eefBeastrom 02421; ;{ See TWOT on 644 @@ "644a"}AV-live 197, life 144, beast 76, alive 31, creature 15, running 7, living thing 6, raw 6, misc 19; 501adj1) living, alive1a) green (of vegetation)1b) flowing, fresh (of water)1c) lively, active (of man)1d) reviving (of the springtime)n m2) relatives3) life (abstract emphatic)3a) life3b) sustenance, maintenancen f4) living thing, animal4a) animal4b) life4c) appetite4d) revival, renewal5) communitI agree the serpent is satan, but thats not the point your doing the same thing the jws do rehearsed script. I just dont see in between the lines Eve had sex with Mr cool Lucifer(the Man of the Garden Dude) The bible mentions all kinds of sexuall stuff. Prostitutes, Gay stuff etc etc Why would they be afraid to make it more clear that Satan Made the move on Eve. I will guarenty Adam would of kiked his evil *** if it went down that way.

(whirlwind;29357)
The 6th day creation were around much longer than Adam's family. Cain (probably) married one of the those. Of course Father created others. All the races couldn't come from one man.
God's Word declares that "in the beginning"...God created man-Adam in His own image (Spirit)...in the image of God created He him, male and female created He them" (Gen. 1:27).
I agree in that Adam and Eve had children other than those mentioned.
Exactly, Adam and Eve had sons and daughter that are not mentioned or named in Genesis. I think you are finally catching on! The Word DOES NOT say God created another group of humans other than Adam and Eve "in the beginning" and to add them because you cannot accept the fact that all of man descended from Adam is to mishandle the Word of God.There is one thing you did state and documented from Bullinger concerning Genesis 4:26 and I agree. In Enos' day the profanation of the name Jehovah took root. Seth and his son, Enos, were God-fearing men. Their line represented the believers, the called of God, the righteous ones. The point I was making, however, is that Cain is not mentioned in the generations of Adam because Christ could not come out of Cain's line since he was of the devil, a murderer. Cain did not call on the name of the true God Since you bring up Bullinger, have you read his notes on Genesis 1 adn 2? Also, the line of Seth was not pure due to sin. Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was conceived in Mary' by God's "creation" of life in Mary's womb. The divine conception of Jesus Christ is by supernatural laws and the birth by natural law. The soul life of Jesus was sinless, pure, because it was not contaminated by the life of man which is in the blood (Leviticus 17:11).
To me, scripture clearly shows that mankind was created on the 6th day while Adam was formed on the 8th day. He was the first man in the line of Christ.
To you maybe, but not to God.God created both male and female, Adam and Eve, in His image, Spirit. According to verse 27, God created man in His image and likeness (1:26). God's image and likeness is Spirit according to John 4:24. God could communicate with Adam and Eve. The usage of "them" in verse 27 is a figure of speech called prolepsis, meaning "to know before it happens that it will happen and speaking of future things as present realities." God knew that Adam and Eve would be fruitful and that they would multiply.According to God - God saw everythingt hat he had made and behold it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.The heavens and the earth were finished/completed and all the host/all that it contained.After the end of the first six days God ended/finished His work that He had made and rested/ceased from His work which He had made.Genesis 1:1-2:3 is a summary of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.Believe whatever you like, whirlwind, but it won't change what is truly written in the Scriptures..God bless you, :angel3:Agape

So then crooner or anyone please answer all the questions I have asked Who did cain marry why did Hod start the World on sin of incest if he is the same who was Cain afraid ofwhy did he need to be marked to be reconizedwhere did the races come fromplease show scripture to support your veiw

KrissMaybe there are other answers to this question. Its not clear to all concerned. otherwise this would not be a minority interpitation that you believe in. I enjoy the possibility, but I dont see it clear enough to make it a true docterine. There is not enough clear info so maybe we wont know until we get to Heaven. We all have heard your questions over and over but its not sinking in to a lot of intelligent faithful Christians. Lets just say we will agree not to agree on this subject.I am in lin with many of your other doctorines though.

Genesis 1:21 "And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good."Evolution just doesn't fit into the order of creation. When God created every living thing to reproduce "after their kind", it eliminates the mutations through chance over a long period of time, and that is required in acceptance of their own evolution theories. Genesis 1:22 "And God blessed them saying, "Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth."Look here and listen to God he created all fish birds ect many of them so they could do what Be fruitful and mutiplyGenesis 1:23 "And the evening and the morning were the fifth day."Make a mental note of the fact that sea and ocean life are created, and then the winged fowl. However, man has not been created yet. The creation cycle form starts with, "And God said". When the cycle is completed, and that part is completed, we then read; "God blessed it".Genesis 1:24 And God said, "Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind:" and it was so."Here again is the word creature, or nephesh, for soul; as we saw in verse twenty. It is referring to the classification of lower animal life. These creature life forms include all insect life, wild animal forms such as the cat family, dog family, elephants, as well as all other wild beasts, of which many are extinct today.Notice also that all animal forms of life reproduced "after his kind". In this orderly fashion, all animals followed as God had ordered each.Genesis 1:25 "And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good."Kind after kind, and "each after his own kind"; each of these families of animals reproduced and spread throughout the earth, populating the entire earth. Each kind living in accordance to the climate, substance, and terrain God intended each of their animal forms to survive in.Genesis 1:26 "And God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."God set out to make man exactly the way he is. Man was then created to look like the exact image of God, and his sons; the angels. If you ever wondered what an angel form looks like? Then look into a mirror, for we are created in their image.Note that God created first the fish, then the fowl, and then the beasts. Following their creation and multiplying, God created the races of mankind. God then gave man the dominion over all the animal kingdom. He gave the animal cattle to hunt, and fish to catch for food, as well as taming them for domestic use. Man is the highest form of all life on this earth, though many movements today act as if they don't know it. When they place and value their soul little more then animal life.Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them."read that verse again what does it say? Why didnt god just say I created Adam and Eve here?why does he say them male and female God is telling you something here can you hear him???So it was on this sixth day that both man and woman of all races were formed, and each after their kind. Yet all forms of mankind red, yellow, black [brown], or white are all created in the image of God.Genesis 1:28 "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, ad over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."Here we again see the same comand go forth and multiplyhow did God expect two people to do the samr thing as he had created many differnt kinds of fish and birds to do yet it takes nine months for each human baby and then when they grew up there were no mates for them come one guys use your grey matter and common sense its impossable for two people to do this and it creates the sin of incest The intent of God was to have each race multiply "after their kind". For God created all that is necessary for all mankind to exist. "Replenish" is translated properly, and the command is to replenish the earth. This earth had a population in the first earth age, and it was inhabited by God's children. Satan caused one third of all God's children to fall, and follow him, and the result of that fall angered God. That is when "the earth became [tohu-va bohu] a waste and desolation", as recorded in verse two. God is now commanding the races to multiply and "repopulate" the earth "after their kind". It seems though today that the whole world is a bit color blind, or maybe they think God is out of touch with today's world. It is interesting though, following Noah's flood in Genesis 9:1; "And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, "be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth."These are the only two places in the Bible where the word "replenish" is used, and both deal with the time following a destruction of the earth and mankind by a flood. To replenish anything, means that it had to exist prior, and in the same form. What is interesting though, is that evolutionist can find animal forms dating back thousands of years prior to any skeletal remains of mankind. In fact the earliest specimens of man was carbonated to within the limits of God's creation. It was the link that evolutionists claimed to be the link between monkey and man. However, by other testing, it turned out to be a chimp. Strange huh? Remember, "kind after kind'.God has told you the answers the question is can you hear them or do you listen to guess's and speculation of men.God clearly saysHe created male and female he created them to be fruitful and multiply upon the earth Adam a differt word is not even mention until after God rests this is not speaking of Adam and Eve

(crooner;29523)
WhirlwindIt is not obvious!!!1 other wise we would not be debating this. Look I have no motive to be right here, but if it was obvious we would all see it. I feel that your doing the same thing the pre-rap people are doing. Making up a story thats not there. I am willing to listen but I hear the same record over and over. Adding to scripture like the Jehovah witnessess do. Give us something better!!!
You are right...I shouldn't have stated it that way. It is obvious to me and it may or may not ever be obvious to you or others. As far as I know it isn't an issue of salvation. It is one that I find to be fascinating and answers so many questions I had.I'm sorry to sound like a broken record but to me it sounds like such solid information to give you. There are times I can hear or see something but I don't really hear or see it and then suddenly.....my eyes are opened. I'm afraid I can't give you anything "better" as that appears to be it.
I agree the serpent is satan, but thats not the point your doing the same thing the jws do rehearsed script. I just dont see in between the lines Eve had sex with Mr cool Lucifer(the Man of the Garden Dude) The bible mentions all kinds of sexuall stuff. Prostitutes, Gay stuff etc etc Why would they be afraid to make it more clear that Satan Made the move on Eve. I will guarenty Adam would of kiked his evil *** if it went down that way.
There are mysteries that we are supposed to search the scriptures and find. Because main stream religion doesn't understand this truth doesn't mean it isn't so, it just means it hasn't been taught.Instead, they teach that all races came from Adam and Eve (impossible), they teach they were first two people on earth, they teach the earth is only 6,000 years old (impossible), they teach all races came from Noah (impossible). It is no wonder so many intelligent people simply throw up their hands and give up on religion. Others still believe in Christ but they must overlook all evidence of truth in the Bible to believe what they are being taught. Their faith takes them past the questions but how wonderful it is to believe and have the questions answered too. He has foretold us all things.........Whirlwind

I agree Whirlwind it is fasinating I love to debate it. I want to be proven wrong on some of these studies because they are sooo interesting. As long as they dont interfere with salvation its only fair to say it is fun to try to do deeper in the word. I am just very careful before I buy into a different docterine. Its ok to disagree with each other in a God fearing way. I love to read your replys please dont take me being mean or anything like that

So then crooner or anyone please answer all the questions I have asked Who did cain marry why did Hod start the World on sin of incest if he is the same who was Cain afraid ofwhy did he need to be marked to be reconizedwhere did the races come fromplease show scripture to support your veiw__________________Kriss you dont have scripture to prove these questions thats why you inturpitation is speculation. You take each question here and answer it with schripture. Not speculation but scripture that proves with out a doubt that Where races comefrom,why he was marked,who Cain was afaid of,and incest. There is only speculation on these questions from scripture. Ones interpitation. Your still a minority I have to seee something more and different than Ive seen so far. It is very interesting though.

(kriss;29362)
Agapebelive whatever you like but we aready know the story that man guess's and speculates happened. Its just not what God says unless you can produce scripture saying differn
I have produced ample and pertinent Scripture. Where's yours??
there no need to keep reapting the same old thing that scripture doesnt say.
So stop harping on the same old thing that Scripture doesn't say! :study: -->> Study [with all diligence] to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.(2Tim. 2:15)God bless you,Agape

My scripture is in post #105 you have posted no scripture only the same opinonSo where is this scripture you posted

The question is Agape did you read my scripture or just ignore it to keep your opinions

Gen 1:25 Kind04327 Nym miyn meenfrom an unused root meaning to portion out; n m; {See TWOT on 1191 @@ "1191a"}AV-kind 31; 311) kind, sometimes a species (usually of animals)++++Groups of living organisms belong in the same created "kind" if they have descended from the same ancestral gene pool. This does not preclude new species because this represents a partitioning of the original gene pool. Information is lost or conserved not gained. A new species could arise when a population is isolated and inbreeding occurs. By this definition a new species is not a new "kind" but a further partitioning of an existing "kind".Gen 1:26 could be Adam and Eve

(Agape;29530)
Exactly, Adam and Eve had sons and daughter that are not mentioned or named in Genesis. I think you are finally catching on!
There is no need to get snippy as I never said othersie. I didn't have to "catch on." That fact is clearly stated in His Word....Genesis 5:4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
The Word DOES NOT say God created another group of humans other than Adam and Eve "in the beginning" and to add them because you cannot accept the fact that all of man descended from Adam is to mishandle the Word of God.
Of course it says other humans were created. They were created on the 6th day. I cannot accept that all men are descended from Adam as it would be impossible. You cannot get the different races from one geneological tree.
There is one thing you did state and documented from Bullinger concerning Genesis 4:26 and I agree. In Enos' day the profanation of the name Jehovah took root. Seth and his son, Enos, were God-fearing men. Their line represented the believers, the called of God, the righteous ones.
That isn't what I said. Bullinger stated that Enos, though the son of Seth is included here because he went in the way of Cain. Enos was included in the geneology of Cain because of that. Notice that Seth and Enos were again named in the geneology of Adam (Cain isn't there) So...their line did represent righteous ones but apparently not Enos himself.
The point I was making, however, is that Cain is not mentioned in the generations of Adam because Christ could not come out of Cain's line since he was of the devil, a murderer. Cain did not call on the name of the true God
Are you saying that you understand the father of Cain was Satan?
Since you bring up Bullinger, have you read his notes on Genesis 1 adn 2?
Yes I have and I noted his note on 1:28. them - the actual building of Eve not till 2:20-23. He was wrong there just as he was wrong about rapture.
Also, the line of Seth was not pure due to sin. Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was conceived in Mary' by God's "creation" of life in Mary's womb. The divine conception of Jesus Christ is by supernatural laws and the birth by natural law. The soul life of Jesus was sinless, pure, because it was not contaminated by the life of man which is in the blood (Leviticus 17:11).
I don't understand what you mean when you say, "the line of Seth was not pure due to sin."
To you maybe, but not to God.God created both male and female, Adam and Eve, in His image, Spirit. According to verse 27, God created man in His image and likeness (1:26). God's image and likeness is Spirit according to John 4:24. God could communicate with Adam and Eve. The usage of "them" in verse 27 is a figure of speech called prolepsis, meaning "to know before it happens that it will happen and speaking of future things as present realities." God knew that Adam and Eve would be fruitful and that they would multiply.
If you wish to believe that was Adam and Eve in those scriptures no one will be upset, but.....that is not what they are telling you.
According to God - God saw everythingt hat he had made and behold it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.The heavens and the earth were finished/completed and all the host/all that it contained.After the end of the first six days God ended/finished His work that He had made and rested/ceased from His work which He had made.You stopped before the time of Adam....and there was not a man to till the ground....And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground... [Gen.2:5]
Genesis 1:1-2:3 is a summary of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.Believe whatever you like, whirlwind, but it won't change what is truly written in the Scriptures..God bless you, :angel3:Agape
Nothing either of us say or believe will change His Word. Have you ever wondered why there is only one Book and so many different interpretations? It must be that He knows how to keep us discussing it!God bless you too Agape :angel3:.......Whirlwind

(kriss;29548)
My scripture is in post #105 you have posted no scripture only the same opinonSo where is this scripture you posted
I've read your post and all it presents is Scripture with your own personal opinion of what you want it to say. And it just doesn't work. You can't "squeeze" your own "thoughts" into Scripture - it won't work because God has magnified His Word above all His name. You have not shown one valid scripture that supports your theory. Sorry.And you know exactly where my posts are because you've been arguing them all this time.I have said all I'm going to say. Your argument is with God not with me.Good luck! God bless you,Agape

KrissI do want to go deeper too! Agape said it very simply. It is a lot of scripture with your twist to it. Scripture is not clearly defining scripture. This docterine is not well known for a reason. scholars and people like some of us just dont see it. We want to. I just dont think its there with any conviction. I will continue to listen.

Thats exactly the point your way does exactly the same thing you keep saying scripture supports you it does not it never mention incest nor some fantom sister it is speculation the difference is my way answers all the questions without having God base the World on sin Knowing the charachter of God should tell then that my view at least would not have God creating man on sin. thats the difference

(Agape;29564)
(Kriss;29548)
My scripture is in post #105 you have posted no scripture only the same opinonSo where is this scripture you posted
I've read your post and all it presents is Scripture with your own personal opinion of what you want it to say. And it just doesn't work. You can't "squeeze" your own "thoughts" into Scripture - it won't work because God has magnified His Word above all His name.You have not shown one valid scripture that supports your theory. Sorry.And you know exactly where my posts are because you've been arguing them all this time.I have said all I'm going to say. Your argument is with God not with me.Good luck! God bless you,AgapeIs it me or is it people becoming so stubborn and doesn't want God? I'm like dead serious, Christianity has gone so anti, because the fact is like saying "Hey I don't want God to correct me, I rather correct men with men's tradition and pagan doctrines but not the Word. (still men)"It is no wonder Christianity has becoming spiritually dead. There was races, and Adam was a special man and there is no chance that every race comes from Adam & Eve.One race does not make many races. One race will still forever be one race.Exodus 20:16 - Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.

But I take it for what it is ,not add to it

(thesuperjag;29569)
One race does not make many races. One race will still forever be one race.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
Just because we can't understand how it works doesn't mean that God didn't work it out. I trust Him - if He can create man out of the dust, he can certainly make other races out of our two original parents. God's ways are not my ways.I've only heard one other "Pastor" teach what you believe. I've already read (on another thread) that Denver first heard this Pastor give his interpretation of Genesis & the other 6th day people, and after studying it, he came to believe as this Pastor believes. If you have chosen to also go with what that Pastor believes - so be it. But don't act like the rest of us are off following "men" while you're the only one following the Bible. That just isn't true. We are following the Bible also - we just believe a different interpretation, and do not agree with that Pastor's teachings on this matter.