Kriss, concerning your five month period

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Kriss,I have been meaning to post this earlier, but I have had internet problems.You believe that the A/C will rule for five months. How do you explain the "time, times and half time" in the following passage?Dan 7:23 "He gave me this explanation: 'The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth, trampling it down and crushing it. 24 The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings. 25 He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws. The saints will be handed over to him for a time, times and half a time.In Yehoshua,Guy Smith
 

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Guy its (Dan. 7:23)the same 3 1/2 years this is the One World system Satan sets upand I need to correct your math at this point because this prophecy is given in the Hebrew calendar (lunar calender) not our SolarcalendarThe tribulation period is supposed to be seven years in duration. 7 x 365 = 2555If you subtract 2300 days from the 2555 you have a difference of 255 days.(Quote)........................................................................................................Hebrew calender would be 360 days, not 365.7 x 360 = 25202520 minus 2300 = 220 days ( 7 months)2520 dived in half is 1260 days (same 3 1/2 years,) 3 1/2 years = 1260 days or 42months ...................................................................Now that being said the 70th week of Daniel is 7 years long I assume we agree hereThe seven years is still there but according to scripture in the midst of this week 3 1/2 years was supposed to start the tribulation the firt half not being to bad its only the last 3 1/2 thats things start to happen I assume we are still agreeing here.....Now What Gods says is that the events that would have happened in the last 3 1/2years will now be shortened and Antichrist will only be here the last 5 months of the 3 1/2 years (last part of the 7 years) but there are events that lead up to Antichrist (the deadly wound to the one World system must occur as well as the first four trumps Now Revelation says that Satan(antichrist) only has five months this is the 5th/6th trumpNow according to our figures above we have 7 months unaccounted for 7 months Now Antichrist is only here the last 5 mo. Rev9:5/9:10 Now remember all the events of the last 3 1/2 years will happen as prophesiedthey will just happen in a condensed period of time ..............................................One of the first things A/C does is heal the deadly wound that happens to the one World system.That deadly wound was supposed to happen just before Antichrist arrives.So is it that the deadly wound will most likly occur in that first 2 months of the seven monthsTrumps 1 thru 4 need to be complete before the 5th/6th trump Only the end of the 5th until the start of the 7th trump(Christs return) is 5 months long
 

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Hello Kriss,You stated: Now that being said the 70th week of Daniel is 7 years long I assume we agree hereThe seven years is still there but according to scripture in the midst of this week 3 1/2 years was supposed to start the tribulation the firt half not being to bad its only the last 3 1/2 thats things start to happenI assume we are still agreeing here.My response: I agree with this statement. And in an effort to see what more we do agree upon, tell me (I haven't caught it yet), are you a prebie or postie?In Yehoshua,Guy Smith
 

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If you are talking rapture I do not believe there is any rapture in Gods word there is only a changing in the twinkling of an eye at the second coming (last trump) so if you call that post then its post
 

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Kriss,You stated: If you are talking rapture I do not believe there is any rapture in Gods word there is only a changing in the twinkling of an eye at the second coming (last trump) so if you call that post then its post My response: I agree. What do you see as Babylon?In Yehoshua,Guy Smith
 

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Some people see Babylon as the USA. Other see it as Rome or the Catholic Church. And still others see as Iraq. In Yehoshua,Guy Smith
 

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None of the above I see Babylon as the one world system and religion Antichrist sets uppeople will be in confusion Babylon PS. sometimes it is literally Iran Iraq but depends on the scripture
 

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I see it as the deadly wound happens to the one world system chaos ensues on earth that deadly wound could be economy collapse,terriosts attacks,war, natural disastersany combination or all of the afore mentioned as soon as we see the deadly woundWe have but a short time before Satan arrives to supposedly save us the world will be desparate enough to believe him.Now there is a good chance that the two wittness's will arrive 10 days before Satan gets kicked out of heaven.this could be the final sign and of course we will see Satan arriving then we know we have five monthsNow the reason I say the wittness's maybe here ten days before Satan arrives is because prophecy having to do with God are most often given in Solar calanderwhere as prophecy given about Satan is counted in Lunar Days there fore Solar days being longer the Wittness could be here before Antichrist but we probably will not know until we see them
 

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We will know when Satan gets hereLuk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.If the two wittness's come first which I believe but can not prove they will be warning us
 

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Kriss,John states that the beast and the false prophet are cast into the lake of fire in the end. Are you stating that it is this world system and not a man is cast into the lake of fire?Revelation 19:20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.In Yehoshua,Guy Smith
 

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I read a book recently by a guy who claims to be one of the two witnesses. It is a free book called "2008 - God's Final Witness" by Ron Weinland. I've tried to pick apart the work with scripture but he seems to be on the money. What's even better, we don't have long to wait to see if he really is a prophet. He is predicting the tribulation to start in the later half of April with a nuclear attack by muslims on the US. He even claims we will have some lead up through other events starting next month.the-end.com - for the free book. As for the 70th week of Daniel, I lean to that already being fullfilled in Jesus Christ since through his sacrifice he made the temple sacrifices null and void.I don't believe God would give a count of 70 weeks and not specify that what he meant wasn't exactly 70 weeks, but 69 weeks, and then a bit of a gap, and then a 70th week, simply because that isn't 70 weeks. It's like me saying I'll give you everything I own in 5 minutes, and when five minutes has past you ask me to fullfill my end of the bargin, but I simply tell you that the 5th minute hasn't started yet. God is not the author of confusion (1Corinthians 14:33). If you look at the 70th week prophecy, all these events tie into Christ being cut off mid week, Prince Titus sending in the Romans to destroy the city and the temple, the need for oblations ceasing at the death of Christ, and the physical temple in jerusalem laying in bare until the restoration of all things. That is also why I believe people may be wrong in thinking the need of rebuilding the temple for the tribulation to start, since Christ and the Apostles said many times that the temple is now the body of Christ, the church. If people are waiting for the temple to be rebuilt, then the day may come upon you like a theif in the night, just as Jesus warned.DANIEL 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.Here is a section from a very in depth article about his topic at rapturetruth.org
1. The entire prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27 covers a period of “seventy weeks,” or 490 years. Logic requires that “seventy weeks” refers to one consecutive block of time, in other words, to seventy straight sequential weeks. There is no example in Scripture (or anywhere else!) of a stated time period starting, stopping, and then starting again. All biblical references to time are consecutive: 40 days and 40 nights (see Genesis 7:4), 400 years in Egypt (see Genesis 15:13), 70 years of captivity (see Daniel 9:2), etc. In Daniel’s prophecy, the “seventy weeks” were to begin during the reign of Persia and continue to the time of the Messiah.2. Logic also requires that the 70th week follow immediately after the 69th week. If it doesn’t, then it cannot properly be called the 70th week!3. It is illogical to insert a 2,000-year gap between the 69th and 70th week. No hint of a gap is found in the prophecy itself. There is no gap between the first seven weeks and the following sixty-two weeks, so why insert one between the 69th and 70th week?Note: If you told your child to be in bed in 70 minutes, you obviously would mean 70 consecutive minutes. What if five hours later your fully awake son said, “But dad, I know 69 minutes have passed, but the 70th minute hasn’t started yet!”? After receiving an appropriate punishment, he would be swiftly sent to bed.4. Daniel 9:27 says nothing about a seven-year period of “tribulation,” a “rebuilt” Jewish temple, or any “antichrist.”5. The stated focus of this prophecy is the Messiah, not the antichrist. After the Messiah is “cut off” (referring to Christ’s death), the text says, “And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.” In the past, this has been consistently applied to the destruction of Jerusalem and the second temple by Roman armies led by Prince Titus in A.D. 70. 116. “He shall confirm the covenant.” Paul said “the covenant” was “confirmed before by God in Christ” (Galatians 3:17). Jesus Christ came “to confirm the promises made to the fathers” (Romans 15:8, emphasis added). In the King James Version, Daniel 9:27 doesn’t say “a covenant” or peace treaty, but “the covenant,” which applies to the New Covenant. Nowhere in the Bible does the antichrist make, confirm, or break a covenant with anyone. The word “covenant” is Messianic, and always applies to the Messiah, not the antichrist.7. “He shall confirm the covenant with many.” Jesus Christ said, “This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many…” (Matthew 26:28). Behold a perfect fit! Jesus was quoting Daniel 9:27 specifically.8. “In the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease.” After exactly three and a half years of holy ministry, Jesus Christ died on the cross, “in the midst of the week [in the middle of the seven years].” At the exact moment of His death, “the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom…” (Matthew 27:51). This act of God signified that all animal sacrifices at that moment ceased to be of value. Why? Because the Perfect Sacrifice had been offered!9. “For the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate.” “The abomination of desolation” (see Matthew 24:15) is not a simple subject, yet we know that Jesus clearly applied this event to the time when His followers were to flee from Jerusalem before the destruction of the second temple in A.D. 70. In a parallel text to Matthew 24:15, Jesus told His disciples, “When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies [Roman armies led by Prince Titus], then know that its desolation is near” (Luke 21:20, emphasis added). The disciples did “see” those very events. Because of the “abominations” of the Pharisees, Jesus told them, “See! Your house is left to you desolate” (Matthew 23:38). Thus Gabriel’s statement in Daniel 9:27 about Jerusalem becoming “desolate” was perfectly fulfilled in A.D. 70.10. Gabriel said that the 70-week prophecy specifically applied to the Jewish people (see Daniel 9:24). During the period of Christ’s public ministry of 3 1 / 2 years, the Master’s focus was largely upon “the lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Matthew 10:6). After His resurrection and then for another 3 1/2 years, His disciples preached mostly to Jews (see Acts 1-6). After that second 3 1/2 -year period, in 34 A.D., the bold Stephen was stoned by the Jewish Sanhedrin (see Acts 7). This infamous deed marked the then-ruling Jewish leaders’ final, official rejection of the gospel of our Saviour. Then the gospel went to the Gentiles. In Acts 9, Saul became Paul, the “apostle to the Gentiles” (Romans 11:13). In Acts 10, God gave Peter a vision revealing it was now time to preach to the Gentiles (see Acts 10:1-28). Read also Acts 13:46. Thus approximately 3 1/2 years after the crucifixion— and at the end of the 70-week prophecy given for the Jewish people—the gospel shifted to the Gentiles exactly as predicted in Bible prophecy.
 

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Kriss,John states that the beast and the false prophet are cast into the lake of fire in the end. Are you stating that it is this world system and not a man is cast into the lake of fire?Revelation 19:20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.In Yehoshua,Guy Smith
The first beast is a political system under the control of Satan. The false prophet is the anti-christ who is none other than Satan himself. The anti-christ is a role he plays, pretending to be Christ. ("anti" in Greek is "instead," he is the instead of christ).So...both of those powers, all the political power of the world and his power in pretending to be Christ and deceive the world are both thrown in the lake of fire......he himself will be held throughout the millennium and when he is released for a short time he will again try to conquer but will not be allowed the power he has now............Whirlwind
 

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Kriss,John states that the beast and the false prophet are cast into the lake of fire in the end. Are you stating that it is this world system and not a man is cast into the lake of fire?Revelation 19:20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.In Yehoshua,Guy Smith
No as Whirlwind has explained there are two beasts in rev the first is the one World system the second is Satanhimself as antichrist it is he that will be thrown into the lake