Predicting the Date

Joshua☩ said:

Hi everyone, I don't intend this to be a trolling or insulting post, but one born from genuine curiosity.

To any of you working to predict the date of the rapture/second coming, how do you reconcile your efforts with the warnings given throughout the Bible, some by Christ Himself, that no one should attempt to predict the date?

I love the study of prophecy as much as anyone, but it seems to me that date prediction is a bridge too far, so I am interested to know what motivations any of you might have in such efforts.

-Joshua

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Hi Joshua

I have sought to find the date since 2013. But I'm more of a date seeker than a date setter. I keep my discoveries on the quiet. Because not everyone wants to know. It's like asking to know the day that I'll die. Do I really want to know? Could I live day to day with that knowledge?

Right now there seems to be many date setting topics. And even to me it can seem a bit rude. If we were talking about something that will happen in 2060, it wouldn't seem so bad. I think. But where we are right now, where we might actually be in Revelation's narrative, it might be the time to be silent before the Day of the Lord.

Because I'm not talking about just my own appointed time in life to die here. Jesus said that It's going to be the worst time ever from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. Not much flesh will be saved alive. With so much death and destruction possibly at our doorstep, it must surely call for a more solemn demeanor.

Lets just be ready and watch. Like Jesus said.

Joshua☩ said:

Thank you for the rational and articulate response. You mentioned the great philosophical question of "do I want to know the date of my own death?".
From your studies and seeking, do you find yourself to be more frightened about the end times or more prepared and hopeful? I'm not sure how I would feel if I knew with certainty that the end was coming on a specific date.

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It's hard to answer, it's hard to put into words. Because no mater what I say, nobody can know for sure. Not without a Divine Visitation of some kind. Even with what I think I know, it's still more likely that I'm wrong. But if I'm right it means that the Lord had included me in an understanding of His Awesome Plan. But I'm not frightened. It's more like a kind of suspense or apprehension, like when you might be in the waiting room for a dentist appointment. Or like how an expectant father might pace back and forth in the hospital waiting room.

Because I have two specific dates or areas of interest, I can't relax and live life as one normally would until we reach and move past those points. Right now I'm in a big rush. Both during my workday and then to get back home, it's with me all the time. I have no patience for the trivial problems that some people complain about. I let my house fall apart, the raccoons tore my roof and the rain pours in. I crashed my truck in the rain last weekend and rear ended a woman . Nobody was hurt. I'm just taking a break right now from bungee cording my headlight back in from the inside of the fender. I'm not going to fix it properly right now.

And I don't think you or anyone else here should have to worry about this situation Joshua. Paul said that we were not in darkness so that that day should sneak up on us unawares and surprise us like a thief. If I'm right something should happen first that would let us know that the time is now. Some kind of strange earthquake or odd sound or maybe even the first of seven thunders that only God's people would hear. Like how Noah knew seven days before the flood.

Surely the Lord will do nothing without revealing the plan to His servants.

Abba has told us all the details, we only cannot not know the hour or the day. We get to know the season, and even the year, based on all the numerical clues in Daniel and Revelation, and the Typologies of the feasts.

All of the information is encoded in the details of Levitical Law, the Types of Mashiach all over the Bible, the prophecies in Daniel, and the other Prophets, as well as in Revelation, and it is not hard, at this late date, to know we are coming up on a possible time for Yeshua to come.

Confirmation of whether we are in the proper 2550 day 'tribulation' period, the final 7 years of Daniel's prophecy depends on the A/C showing up. If a Temple is approved and set up by May 31st, 2018, we will know if this is the final cycle. With the Revelation 12:1-4 picture being enacted in the heavens beginning 9/23/2017, with the Pyramid of Giza, and the Chechen Itsa Observatory pointing to this date as well in their astronomical set up, it is likely to be this 7 year cycle.

I am a pre-wrath Believer, so I don't see Yeshua coming until after midway through the Tribulation period, when the A/C sits down in the Temple, and proclaims himself G-d, and no 'Catching Away, until some time after that. Others are Amilliennial, and don't think anything is happening until we remake the world, and perfect ourselves, being already in the kingdom of G-d. Others are Pre-Trib, and think they are getting off the planet on 9/23/17, if this is the final 7 year cycle.

I would love that to be true, and pray frequently to be taken out of the way whenever Yeshua does come, no matter when that is. But I also pray to be enabled to do whatever G-d wants me to do until Yeshua comes, and/or the A/C gets politically incorrect, and demands my head on a platter.

It is not something to be feared if you truly trust Yeshua's promise...that we would be enabled to meet any challenge that the Father requires of us. Some are needed as a perfect witness, to give their lives as a testimony to their belief in Yeshua and the promise inherent in the Covenant. I don't want that, and no sane person does, but it's a real possibility. Consequently, preparing for persecution by settling in your mind exactly how much you will put up with from the world, and where you draw the line is important.

...first you would need a valid reason for bel

Believing.

Did I hear Pyramid?

Being into math and stars there was a time I researched that as well. Except for the Christ triangle inside of it (showing he lived 12240 days and can be deduced by the bible) I'm not so sure that the absolute dates are correct not because of pyramid troubles, but interpretation troubles. It depends who measures it and what benchmark they want to use. The passage lengths can be modified somewhat depending whether one measures them on the edge, or an imaginary line in the center for example. This is one of those many testimonies, however, that makes one take a second look at the big picture even if we do not figure it all out. I'm sure we'll know one day.

As for predicting dates, I feel uncomfortable doing that and even if I did know, I'd keep it quiet and stressing to people to be ready (which I'm already doing). However, whatever date Christ comes back, you can be rest assured that it has something to do with a feast day. Question is, in what year? So I won't take issue with the September 23rd folks because they may be right. I personally do not commit to it but keep an open mind as a possibility.

Joshua☩ said:

Christ Himself, that no one should attempt to predict the date?

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I aint gere to argue either but is this a joke. You just said Christ said dont do it. But you want to know who trys it.
Tell me if I am missing someting
~? Cheers

Chase200mph said:

Believing.

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What object of belief are you referencing?

liafailrock said:

Did I hear Pyramid?

Being into math and stars there was a time I researched that as well. Except for the Christ triangle inside of it (showing he lived 12240 days and can be deduced by the bible) I'm not so sure that the absolute dates are correct not because of pyramid troubles, but interpretation troubles. It depends who measures it and what benchmark they want to use. The passage lengths can be modified somewhat depending whether one measures them on the edge, or an imaginary line in the center for example. This is one of those many testimonies, however, that makes one take a second look at the big picture even if we do not figure it all out. I'm sure we'll know one day.

As for predicting dates, I feel uncomfortable doing that and even if I did know, I'd keep it quiet and stressing to people to be ready (which I'm already doing). However, whatever date Christ comes back, you can be rest assured that it has something to do with a feast day. Question is, in what year? So I won't take issue with the September 23rd folks because they may be right. I personally do not commit to it but keep an open mind as a possibility.

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Yes, predicting anything is full of pitfalls. It is one of the reasons that I state that Rev 12:1-4 matching an alignment of stars in the sky on Sept 23, 2017 is merely that it is a sign of possible events to come, even as G-d wished us to have, for he always tells us what he is going to do before he does it.

I do find the physical alignments with places in the sky near to where a supposed planet Nibiru cannot be seen, only determined by it's effect on those stellar bodies it passes, interesting in the extreme. But it is a heads up kind of thing, not a reason to date set, even if we could accurately time the fulfillment of End Times actions, which we cannot. But we can get close, and so I keep watching.

Joshua☩ said:

Hi everyone, I don't intend this to be a trolling or insulting post, but one born from genuine curiosity.

To any of you working to predict the date of the rapture/second coming, how do you reconcile your efforts with the warnings given throughout the Bible, some by Christ Himself, that no one should attempt to predict the date?

I love the study of prophecy as much as anyone, but it seems to me that date prediction is a bridge too far, so I am interested to know what motivations any of you might have in such efforts.

-Joshua

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1. 9/21/17 (rapture), 4/2/21 (abomination of desolation on passover), 9/13/24 (second coming of Christ on the day of atonement).. HEAVENLY SIGN 2017

2. The word harpazo (rapture) is in 1 Thess 4:17, Rev 12:5, and Rev 12:1-5 is coming to pass this September. Virgo (Israel) is giving birth to Jupiter (the body of Christ) in September.. 9/23/17, Rev 12:5, X etc..

3. In Daniel 12:11, we are the daily sacrifice being taken away on 9/21/17, Rom 12:1. This date kicks off the 1290 days in Daniel.

4. God already gives us a time line of 1260, 1290, 1335 days for the 70th week. It's up to us to wake up.

5. Not knowing the day and hour is an idiom for the Feast of Trumpets in September. Jesus comes like a thief to nonbelievers, Matt 24:38-41, 1 Thess 5:4-11, Rev 3:3.

Heb 13:8 said:

1. 9/21/17 (rapture)

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Since Yeshua specifically prayed to NOT take us out of the world, why is there a "Catching Away" except to meet Yeshua in the air as he returns?

John 17:15-20 (CJB)
15 I don’t ask you to take them out of the world, but to protect them from the Evil One.
16 They do not belong to the world, just as I do not belong to the world.
17 Set them apart for holiness by means of the truth — your word is truth.
18 Just as you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world.
19 On their behalf I am setting myself apart for holiness, so that they too may be set apart for holiness by means of the truth.
20 “I pray not only for these, but also for those who will trust in me because of their word,

I want to be out of here as much as anyone else, but I simply see no reason for G-d to rescue us from persecution, just protection from the Evil One, and certainly from his Wrath.

Questor said:

Since Yeshua specifically prayed to NOT take us out of the world, why is there a "Catching Away" except to meet Yeshua in the air as he returns?

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Why is there a catching away? To rescue us from the red dragon that wants to devour us Questor.

Rev 12:1-5 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman (Israel) clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She (Israel) was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon (Satan) with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon (Satan) stood in front of the woman (Israel) who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child (teknon the church) the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son (huios Jesus Christ himself), a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child (teknon the church) was snatched up (harpazo) to God and to his throne.

Joshua☩ said:

Hi everyone, I don't intend this to be a trolling or insulting post, but one born from genuine curiosity.

To any of you working to predict the date of the rapture/second coming, how do you reconcile your efforts with the warnings given throughout the Bible, some by Christ Himself, that no one should attempt to predict the date?

I love the study of prophecy as much as anyone, but it seems to me that date prediction is a bridge too far, so I am interested to know what motivations any of you might have in such efforts.

-Joshua

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Just for grins I’d put forth what little I have found though it’s speculative theory at most. in the concept of a time times and a half it’s been my belief that the only “time” in the bible that started and completed with a measure of time was from Adam to the flood which is 1656 years multiply that by 3.5 you get 5796 Hebrew years which in Gregorian years is 2036 +- of course. Minus 7 years puts you at 2029 +-


Now some time back I believe it was Jan 2010 the Russian science community was going on about the threat from and asteroid and wanted to put together a international organization to deal with the asteroid believing it will wreak havoc on the earth for a possible 7 years, and is predicted to stay within the solar system during that time, and is to be in the area of influence in 2029, could be 2028 don’t hold me to it.


Not far off and the way the world continues to focus around the existence of Israel appeasing Israel’s enemies for so called peace that puts them in the eye of a hurricane so to speak. There will be a desire in the world for someone to take care of it, hence the opportunity for a great deceiver. And in the case of Israel only the Lord God of Israel will and can deliver Israel. (I've seen on line comments by messianic Jews in Israel that they are prepared for earthquakes, destruction, and the like in the acts of their God and the like with bunkers and such)

But all of that and a buck fifty will get you a cup of coffee. Needless to say, I haven’t run across anything else that would confirm this to be true, and everything else you hear and read about is like a house of cards and falls as viable theory in the first test.


Thing is, Prophecy in the case of the Lord our God has almost always been a; you don’t know how and when until it happens, but when it happens, you know it’s of God and remember He said so.

davewatchman said:

I have sought to find the date since 2013. But I'm more of a date seeker than a date setter. I keep my discoveries on the quiet. Because not everyone wants to know. It's like asking to know the day that I'll die.

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Yes, that is exactly what it's like - because, that is what it is.

davewatchman said:

Because I'm not talking about just my own appointed time in life to die here. Jesus said that It's going to be the worst time ever from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. Not much flesh will be saved alive. With so much death and destruction possibly at our doorstep, it must surely call for a more solemn demeanor.

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This is a big misunderstanding. In the world we [all] in our own lifetime have tribulation...the greatest of which is personal. So, everything Jesus said is true, just not in the way it is understood. There are wars and rumors of wars, and great signs and wonders in divers places - in every life and every generation...BUT, as he said, "the end is not yet." Not yet, because the tribulation (in every life) is tribulation, and the end, is the end. They are two different things...

So, then, the tribulation (wars, famines, etc.) is in each person's life...and the end is at the end of each person's life - when, yes, we are absent from the body, and present with the Lord...which just happens to be a rapturous experience. Hence the name.

ScottA said:

tribulation (wars, famines, etc.) is in each person's life...and the end is at the end of each person's life -

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I know very little about end times. This much I do know. The tribulations that are coming have not even started. There is worse than has ever been see on the earth to come. It hasnt come yet. WWII is nothing compared to what is coming. What we go through on a daily basis is nothing yet.

Sword said:

I know very little about end times. This much I do know. The tribulations that are coming have not even started. There is worse than has ever been see on the earth to come. It hasnt come yet. WWII is nothing compared to what is coming. What we go through on a daily basis is nothing yet.

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Well...that is the common belief, but it's wrong. When we all look back at our lives, we each will say "_____" was the worst thing...and we'll be right, because it's personal. As the apostle Paul said, "each in his own order" (in his own time).

Heb 13:8 said:

Why is there a catching away? To rescue us from the red dragon that wants to devour us Questor.

Rev 12:1-5 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman (Israel) clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She (Israel) was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon (Satan) with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon (Satan) stood in front of the woman (Israel) who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child (teknon the church) the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son (huios Jesus Christ himself), a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child (teknon the church) was snatched up (harpazo) to God and to his throne.

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Not the Dragon and the stars being the reason...why take us out of the way when G-d can protect us...particularly when Yeshua said not to take us out of the world?

I'd be delighted...but that is not what Yeshua asked for.