How many years ago did Dinosaurs last walk the earth?

Stranger · May 11, 2017

JesusIsFaithful said:
Let's read the king James Bible to see what you are overlooking here..

Genesis 1:1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void;..............

Without form means the earth wasn't even there if you wish to know the meaning of void as opposed to how modern day people use void to mean. Therefore the first verse was the general topic while the following verses was explaining how this was done.

Genesis 1:2..............and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

The Word of God created the light to establish the 24 hour day.

Genesis 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Now the "Earth" is a water planet with an upper atmosphere on the second day. That was all that was divided; hence no land mass.

Genesis 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Now the Earth has substance added to the water planet to create a land mass to appear out of nowhere on the third day but not only that, plant life emerged spontaneously because He spoke it into being just as He did with the land mass.

So God can create anything out of nothing by speaking it into existence. That is how I am reading the Bible. There was nothing there when God began to create the heavens and the earth when the earth was without form and not just void.

So there is no gap between verse 1 and verse 2 when verses 2 onward is about how verse 1 came about since the heavens were not created until the fourth day.

Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

So by speaking that there be lights in the Heavens to govern the earth for that purpose, then there were no lights in the heavens before that day.

So the earth did not exist at all that first day. All that was there was water everywhere before He divided the water in creating a water planet and the upper atmosphere the second day so there was no flood when land was not created yet on that water planet that second day..

In my last post, I addressed all that you said in the previous post. Now, you address nothing I said, but instead just go on with your theory of creation.

I'm not just going to buy what you say. You must respond to what I have said. If you can't respond to what I have said, then your position is weak. Which it appears at this time.

Stranger

JesusIsFaithful · May 11, 2017

Only God can cause the increase, so there is no point in arguing about it. We agree to disagree. All of us shall come to the full knowledge of the truth one day by His grace & by His help so let us love one another and pray for one another that God shall continue to inister in all our lives so that we all may bear more fruit in our walk with Him.

1 Corinthians 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

2 Timothy 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

1 Corinthians 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

101G · May 12, 2017

GINOLJC, to JesusIsFaithful, & Stranger. all of us have good points. what we need to do is put all of theses good points into the proper perspective in the creation account.

now the sticking point is "TIME", or the lack of it, as to when time began. either, A. a gap between verses 1 & 2. or B. actual days and seasons in verse 14. THE BIBLE CLEARLY STATES, "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good”. 1 Thessalonians 5:21 (KJV). may we do as the bible says, agree? ..... ok, since the gap theory is to be in between verses 1 & 2 let's start there and work our way to verse 14. if it's ok with all...... let's start

those who believe in the gap theory post your proof of support one point at a time so that when presented all can respond point by point, and discuss by giving pro and con, and do as the bible states, "hold fast that which is good”. so the gap theory present first.

may God bless.

Stranger · May 12, 2017

101G said:
GINOLJC, to JesusIsFaithful, & Stranger. all of us have good points. what we need to do is put all of theses good points into the proper perspective in the creation account.

now the sticking point is "TIME", or the lack of it, as to when time began. either, A. a gap between verses 1 & 2. or B. actual days and seasons in verse 14. THE BIBLE CLEARLY STATES, "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good”. 1 Thessalonians 5:21 (KJV). may we do as the bible says, agree? ..... ok, since the gap theory is to be in between verses 1 & 2 let's start there and work our way to verse 14. if it's ok with all...... let's start

those who believe in the gap theory post your proof of support one point at a time so that when presented all can respond point by point, and discuss by giving pro and con, and do as the bible states, "hold fast that which is good”. so the gap theory present first.

may God bless.

I would say first of all, that a time element or gap of time between verses or even words is common in Scripture. A good example is (Isaiah 61:1-2) "The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me;...To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God;...."

When Jesus Christ began His public ministry He started by quoting these verses in Isaiah. But, he stopped in the middle of the last sentence. (Luke 4:19) Why? Because this first coming of His was to preach the acceptable year of the LORD. It will be at His second coming which will be the day of vengeance.

Therefore, in (Is.61:2) in between "LORD,.......................and" there is a period up to now of about 2017 years. A gap.

Stranger

JesusIsFaithful · May 12, 2017

101G said:
GINOLJC, to JesusIsFaithful, & Stranger. all of us have good points. what we need to do is put all of theses good points into the proper perspective in the creation account.

now the sticking point is "TIME", or the lack of it, as to when time began. either, A. a gap between verses 1 & 2. or B. actual days and seasons in verse 14. THE BIBLE CLEARLY STATES, "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good”. 1 Thessalonians 5:21 (KJV). may we do as the bible says, agree? ..... ok, since the gap theory is to be in between verses 1 & 2 let's start there and work our way to verse 14. if it's ok with all...... let's start

those who believe in the gap theory post your proof of support one point at a time so that when presented all can respond point by point, and discuss by giving pro and con, and do as the bible states, "hold fast that which is good”. so the gap theory present first.

may God bless.

I would say that when God said that the day was the first day, He meant that was the actual first day in creation. You cannot have Him creating the firmaments in the heavens to give light to the earth on the fourth day if God had already created the heavens and the earth in verse 1. So verse 1 is just a main topic being cited whereas the following verses to Genesis 2:3 was how God did it.

Think about the paragraph structure. The first sentence is usually the topic as the rest of the sentences delves into that topic. That is why Genesis 2:4 is another topic as the following verses after that delves into detail the creation of mankind on that sixth day, because it testified that man was not created yet to till the ground and thus Genesis 2:4 is the beginning of another topic which is a rehashing of the sixth day event, but in more detail as Jesus confirmed the first marriage which can only be Adam and Eve. Indeed, Aam named the woman Eve for she literally was the mother of all living.

Genesis 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

So I believe in His words and I give thanks to Jesus for helping me see the evolution theory & the Big Bang theory for what it is; a false science.

1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

101G · May 12, 2017

Thanks for both of your responses. I would like to address JesusIsFaithful response first as to what was said.
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“I would say that when God said that the day was the first day, He meant that was the actual first day in creation. You cannot have Him creating the firmaments in the heavens to give light to the earth on the fourth day if God had already created the heavens and the earth in verse 1. So verse 1 is just a main topic being cited whereas the following verses to Genesis 2:3 was how God did it”.
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a few things I would like to say on this part of the response. #1. verse 1 in Genesis 1 do not say “heavens”, I’m using the KJV. verse 1 says “heaven”. only the history as stated in chapter 2 verse 4 is “heavens” used in the account, meaning more than one heaven. #2. in chapter 2 God uses “THE” day when he is speaking of the heavens, and clearly the use of the word “THE” as in DAY. and not days as used in genesis chapter 1 verses 14. #3. nowhere in the bible do God gives at anytime as to how old the EARTH is. only man give an account of time when man/humans is on the earth. #4. I do agree that chapter 2 is a define account of chapter 1.

so my opinion, and let me say that again, for discussion purpose only, “my opinion”, no one knows, only God knows, how old the Earth really is. not human existence, but earth existence. and three, this human existence is only accounted from man being in sin. the bible don’t state actually how old the earth really is. now with that said, human existence cannot be tied to the planet existence, for clearly the earth was here before man. the question now remain, “how long was the earth in existence before God formed man. either we have a gap in history for man’s existence,, or the earth is older that 6,000 years old. I personally don’t believe in the gap theory, for bible disprove this theory out to be false, (unless someone have concrete bible evidence of the gap theory). and two if we believe science that animals and plants have been here for millions of years, then this support the bible by facts as to how old the earth and man is in a ball park figure. example, the bible clearly support that man was here before the animals, before the trees, and before the grass & herbs. this is supported, according to Genesis 1:9-13, and revealed in Genesis 2:4-7. if this is true (which I believe it is) then man have been here more that 6,000 years, or even have been here more that millions of years.

for me, this is my point on time of the earth & man, and I encourage you all to research this out. my premise for this time account is that man was “formed” on day 3 before the animals that was formed on day 5 (water and flying animals) and day 6 land animals. if this is to be truth then what we have been traditionally taught about the creation account comes into question. I suggest we re-look , and re-think the Genesis/creation account through new eyes.

JesusIsFaithful · May 14, 2017

In answer to the question of the topic, "How many years ago did dinosaurs last walk the earth?"

They may still be around today, so we do not know. What we do know from this evidence in the video is that mankind lived with dinosaurs as the evidence presented in the video has led me to believe this was just before the Biblical global flood for this to be preserved. I believe I'm looking at the evidence of one of the last men on the earth that was not allowed on the ark, and was designated to be wiped out with that dinosaur.

So all those fables that aligns with the lie that dinosaurs were extinct long before mankind came unto the scene can be discarded too.

Stranger · May 14, 2017

JesusIsFaithful said:
In answer to the question of the topic, "How many years ago did dinosaurs last walk the earth?"

They may still be around today, so we do not know. What we do know from this evidence in the video is that mankind lived with dinosaurs as the evidence presented in the video has led me to believe this was just before the Biblical global flood for this to be preserved. I believe I'm looking at the evidence of one of the last men on the earth that was not allowed on the ark, and was designated to be wiped out with that dinosaur.

So all those fables that aligns with the lie that dinosaurs were extinct long before mankind came unto the scene can be discarded too.

Many things wrong here with your startments.

You say, concerning dinosaurs, "They may still be around today, so we do not know". But you later say, "the last men on the earth that was not allowed on the ark, and was designated to be wiped out with that dinosaur". So, which is it?

And, if Noah was to provide two of every kind, then how can the dinosaurs be wiped out if they existed with man?

Do not take your youtube's presentation as the sole or final authority. Those foot prints at Glenn Rose have been the subject of much speculation.

Stranger

JesusIsFaithful · May 14, 2017

Stranger said:
Many things wrong here with your startments.

You say, concerning dinosaurs, "They may still be around today, so we do not know". But you later say, "the last men on the earth that was not allowed on the ark, and was designated to be wiped out with that dinosaur". So, which is it?

In regards to the video about that trail of human footprints found with that trail of a dinosaur.. referring to that man and that dinosaur was designated to get wiped out by the flood.

I was not referring to all dinosaurs and if you think about it, I was also not referring to all mankind being wiped out.

And, if Noah was to provide two of every kind, then how can the dinosaurs be wiped out if they existed with man?

Noah was also suppose to have some of them by sevens when they are clean beasts, but unclean beasts by twos.

Genesis 7:1And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

Now for an example .... of a kind... Noah does not need every different kind of dog, but two kinds of dogs. From that time forth after the flood, you can get all those different species of dogs from those two kinds. Proof of ths is the fact that we are all related to Noah and his family since no one else survived the global flood, and yet we have different looking people all over the world, but yet they are of one family of Noah's.

So how many different kinds of dinosaurs would be needed on the ark? I do not know, but it can be managed when they took young smaller sized ones.

Do not take your youtube's presentation as the sole or final authority. Those foot prints at Glenn Rose have been the subject of much speculation.

Stranger

I take His words as the final authority as the behemoth is described as a dinosaur that God created with man in Job 40th chapter. As for the speculation, it was said that the tracks were faked, but there is no way that liar can make fake tracks under those slabs of stone.

But when people do not want to believe His words nor the obvious evidence, then they will not believe. Nothing I can do to change that.

Stranger · May 14, 2017

JesusIsFaithful said:
In regards to the video about that trail of human footprints found with that trail of a dinosaur.. referring to that man and that dinosaur was designated to get wiped out by the flood.

I was not referring to all dinosaurs and if you think about it, I was also not referring to all mankind being wiped out.

Noah was also suppose to have some of them by sevens when they are clean beasts, but unclean beasts by twos.

Genesis 7:1And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

Now for an example .... of a kind... Noah does not need every different kind of dog, but two kinds of dogs. From that time forth after the flood, you can get all those different species of dogs from those two kinds. Proof of ths is the fact that we are all related to Noah and his family since no one else survived the global flood, and yet we have different looking people all over the world, but yet they are of one family of Noah's.

So how many different kinds of dinosaurs would be needed on the ark? I do not know, but it can be managed when they took young smaller sized ones.

I take His words as the final authority as the behemoth is described as a dinosaur that God created with man in Job 40th chapter. As for the speculation, it was said that the tracks were faked, but there is no way that liar can make fake tracks under those slabs of stone.

But when people do not want to believe His words nor the obvious evidence, then they will not believe. Nothing I can do to change that.

Really? when you say 'I was not referring to all mankind being wiped out', Are you are saying that others survived the flood other than Noah and his family?

Big deal. Dogs are not dinosaurs.

Yes, we have different races of people all over the world. And they all come from Noah and his sons. Which makes us all racists. But we have no dinosaurs all over the world. If they took the 'your smaller sized ones' then we would have the larger ones today. Which we don't. How strange.

Stranger

JesusIsFaithful · May 15, 2017

Stranger said:
Really? when you say 'I was not referring to all mankind being wiped out', Are you are saying that others survived the flood other than Noah and his family?

How is it that you miss my meaning twice now?

Big deal. Dogs are not dinosaurs.

And you were not there at the ark, but Jesus validated scripture as something that cannot be broken ( John 10:35 ) which validates the behemoth as described as a dinosaur having been created with man ( Job 40:15-24 ) and He referenced Noah's ark & the Biblical flood ( Matthew 24:37-39 ) to warn believers to be ready before the next calamity of fire comes on the earth ( Luke 12:40-49 )

Yes, we have different races of people all over the world. And they all come from Noah and his sons. Which makes us all racists. But we have no dinosaurs all over the world. If they took the 'your smaller sized ones' then we would have the larger ones today. Which we don't. How strange.

Stranger

A lot of living things have become extinct as time went on after the flood. There is no mystery there to me as to how the dinosaurs being terminated near mankind's habitat, but that is not the same as them surviving in the jungles of the wild as reported in the nation of Congo in Africa.

I have no confidence in the Carbon dating method, but if you do, then this video may interests you, and may propel you to search other videos that have evidence that dinosaurs co existed with man.

However, since the first video proved that dinosaurs co-existed with man, in getting back to the ark, then dinosaurs were on the ark, because God told Noah to do that for all living things. As to how it was applied, is not relevant when obviously they had survived the flood for mankind to see them & depict them in art.

See the picture of a stegasaurus carved in an ancient ruin that may give the latest of how long dinosaurs were co-existing in that area of the forests. Do scroll down as there are cave drawings of dinosaurs on that web page to0.

Physical Evidence for the Coexistence of Dinosaurs and Humans [Part I]

I do accept at this time that you seemingly have made up your mind to be adversarial on the subject and that you have too much doubts in His words because of false science that you fail to recognize among real science wherein you do not want to believe that dinosaurs co existed with man.

Stranger · May 15, 2017

JesusIsFaithful

Perhaps you weren't clear.

That makes two of us. I don't believe 'behemoth' means dinosaur.

Actually I haven't been arguing from science. You have.

Stranger

Josho · May 16, 2017

@JesusIsFaithful Good observation on the behemoth, never really saw the word "behemoth" or heard of it, and even if i did, i would not have known what it was hahhaa, i had to look it up in Job.

JesusIsFaithful · May 16, 2017

Josho said:
@JesusIsFaithful Good observation on the behemoth, never really saw the word "behemoth" or heard of it, and even if i did, i would not have known what it was hahhaa, i had to look it up in Job.

The Lord helped you to see it as a dinosaur. Some still cannot see it.

dorian37grey · May 20, 2017

coming late to this conversation ---so i am sorry if my comments are not following the latest conversation

what are some of the implications being discussed here ( i list a few questions to bring out some points )

where dinosaurs @ creation ?
did God make them?
or where they made like nephilium?

now a few of my opinions
i would say dinosaurs are created after the death of Adam ;
as part of what was going on in genesis 6
and that mankind in pre-flood times
lived in a very small area ( as opposed to all over the world )
leaving space between them and the dinosaurs

JesusIsFaithful · May 20, 2017

dorian37grey said:
coming late to this conversation ---so i am sorry if my comments are not following the latest conversation

what are some of the implications being discussed here ( i list a few questions to bring out some points )

where dinosaurs @ creation ?
did God make them?
or where they made like nephilium?

now a few of my opinions
i would say dinosaurs are created after the death of Adam ;
as part of what was going on in genesis 6
and that mankind in pre-flood times
lived in a very small area ( as opposed to all over the world )
leaving space between them and the dinosaurs

Interesting take.

However.. scripture said that the behemoth was made with man

Job 40:15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.

Having a tail that it moves like a cedar when cedar is a tree make sit a dinosaur.

Having the sinews of his stones wrapped together means his sexual organs are internal which scientist has recently discovered about dinosaurs today.

Anyway, it was an interesting thought but God did say that He made the behemoth with man.

dorian37grey · May 31, 2017

^^^ right ; just not sure that behemoth is talking of dinosaurs * i think those are 2 different things and we "assume" them to be the same

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