The creation of Eve

KBCid said:

Can anyone provide an answer for why Eve was created in the manner that is written in Genesis.

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Why? Because G-d chose to do so in that manner, taking DNA from Adam and making a a second person of the feminine gender. Simplistic, but accurate.

Can anyone provide an answer for why Eve was created in the manner that is written in Genesis.

Because Christ, the second Adam, would one day form His Bride through the offering of His Body in death with blood and water flowing out of His side. If you will allow me...Adam is taken from Adam who is in a deep deathlike sleep at the time, (the side - flesh, blood, and bone) and from it God 'builds' the woman (the word is used only here in the creation account) who is more glorious than the Adam (the woman is the glory of the man) and he reunites the glorified Adam (woman) with the Adam; he is made whole again. He proclaims 'flesh of my flesh and bone of my bone', and the two become one flesh. The ontological and eschatological nature of mankind is ingeniously imaged and named. Mankind (or humankind) 'adam' is 'ish' and 'ishah', so there is a male 'man' and a female 'man'. The man (the Adam) and the glorious Woman (seed receiver and life bearer,) together in one-fleshness, image something of life in the Holy Trinity, and embody the eternal intention and reality of Christ and His Church (nomen est omen) in time to come.

Can anyone provide an answer for why Eve was created in the manner that is written in Genesis.

If Fr. Wayne McNamara comment does not answer your question. Then I am not sure any of us can give a response you will accept.

In another thread: where are you with Christ? I posted: “Woman was taken out of man and brought to him. Same as Christ side was pierced and brought forth blood and water. Woman was taken from man (Adam and Eve), the same way those that belong in Christ (His bride) were taken out of Christ and are called unto Him, a Woman, a bride, becoming a helpmate in servitude, love and grace and surrender...always in subjection to THE Husband and His will and not her own. Subjection to her husbands(Christ) advancement and not her own.”

Which you responded to as wrong, stating: one has nothing to do with the other, and those that are Christ’s were never taken out or from Christ. Is it a type or not? Because here you comment: “Indeed it is a type.”

Another type is: womb.

(Job 38: 8-9) “Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb” When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,”

(Job 38: 29) “Out of whose womb came the ice? And the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?”

Did not God do these things? So where did womb originate? In woman or God? Or breasts that feed and in return mouths that give suck to milk? (Isaiah 60) “Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side.” (Song of Songs) “This thy stature is like to a palm tree, and thy breasts to clusters of grapes.”

Water breaks forth from a mother’s womb and life is brought out of that womb. (Galatians) “But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.” Interesting that Sara's womb was dead, the miracle being that God restored life.

The vail is profound; Now torn making it possible to man to go before the throne of grace. The spirit inside of man. How does this relate to a woman and her virginity upon marriage? How does the vail relate to Christ?

Children are also a type for discipleship. The physical man and woman were designed to procreate; physical sin continuing to their offspring; a new life conceived in the physical flesh. One that is born again, born of God and of that new city, new in spirit, also gives birth to (spiritual) children. Paul presented many as chaste virgins unto Christ. Paul presented many untangled from this world and untangled from the works of the mosaic law. Paul overseen many “children” that he considered to be under his care and guidance to maturity. Paul overseen the growth and development of many (spiritual) children as a (spiritual) parent should.

(! John 3:9) “Whosever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” Whose seed remaineth in him? Who are we (those of Christ) now born of? What seed was cast. The word: some falling on fertile ground, some devoured by the fowls, some choked out by the cares of this world? Who sowed the tares in the kingdom?

(1 Peter) “Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.”

There are many reasons why Eve (woman) was created different than man. But you are asking us to pick just one. You are asking us to get inside your head and you add: IF we have the spirit then we will be able to answer the question.

I agree with Scott A “It sounds like your question has been rhetorical from the start...and you actually just want to make a point. Please just make your point.”

Please, make your point; instead of appointing yourself the high seat as the only “enlightened one” the spirit of God teaches and guides through scripture therefore qualifying you as the final say. Revelation is given by God to benefit the body of Christ—the church—and is to progress the gospel and Christ, not an individual. Who are you to decide who is of the body and who is not? Who are you to decide who has been enlightened? Either you trust God to oversee who hears and receives this revelation you have been given (hopefully by God) …or you don’t trust God at all, too afraid that someone that has not enlightened might read and benefit from it. I pray you have been given revelation. The only reason I responded to your other post and continue to come here is…I would love nothing more than for more scripture to be opened and revealed to the body of Christ, especially when there are so many false doctrines circulating, however, I am beginning to doubt your sincerity. It would be encouraging to be able to say "wow" I hadn't realized that, but now that God has made it known through His word, it brings such comfort and encouragement to the body. You forfeit us that encouragement and take it upon yourself to decide whom is fed. Is God not in charge of feeding the flock?

KBCid said:

You can certainly view things as you wish. I have clarified my meaning to ensure that you understand my intent.
Your answer is incorrect according to the understanding I was given.
Did I imply that I didn't already know the answer to the question asked? Sorry. I am seeking others of the body of Christ who have been given the deeper understandings of the creation that I might obey the Fathers wishes to commune with them.
Based on your impatience I presume that you will simply write me off if I don't give you a direct answer. No worries I wasn't coming in blind. I was shown the types of responses to expect.
Just so you know, I cannot provide you with anything that the Father has not given you. All enlightenment comes from God and we should not seek it from the understanding of men. This has been the greatest error for most people historically and it is why there are so many sects of Christianity even though we can all agree that there is one God who never changes.

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There is more that I could say. As with all parables, there are different levels of understanding. But without some indication from you about which your are referring, to elaborate would simply make this a fishing expedition, which I see is what you intended.

What purpose could it possibly serve to commune only with those who already know what you know?

KBCid said:

Can anyone provide an answer for why Eve was created in the manner that is written in Genesis.

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She is a character in the story about our relationship with God and about the pitfalls of dualistic thinking.

KBCid said:

If it makes more sense to you on this subject then Adam and Eve are an anti-type of a type however, both type and anti-type are in the old testament. Apparently most people are simply looking to find connecting shadows from old to new testaments alone and don't realize that long before there was a new testament the old testament had its own types and anti-types.

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Why the old testament? These are the times of the gentiles, and the born again.

KBCid said:

These people have the spirit of truth promised to help guide them on their path and it is these who are the true body of Christ.
Many will assert they are true Christians or of the body but, the one differentiating point between those who are and are not is that those chosen will have the helper who can answer when asked by the believer about God. When Christ walked the earth he separated the two types of people by the use of parables.

Matt 13:10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Now the spirit of truth guides the believer who is of the body and does not guide those who are not.

John 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. 13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

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This is no indication of who is true or untrue. Just as Israel is held in blindness until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled, so too, the born again are held in a similar blindness for the same purpose.

But if you have been given a talent, to bury it is wickedness.

In the same way life was taken from man. The spirit is life.

the_sign said:

I really am of the persuasion that I have met the resurrected Adam, that very first man who is now walking again in Paradise.

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At least as well as Paradise can be given the concluding cleansing.

KBCid said:

Let's do a thought experiment here.
If God had made Eve exactly the way Adam had been made wouldn't that also make them equal? Both would have come from the dust of the ground (same DNA structuring) and God would have breathed life into both of them and he could have made the woman after the man to set the hierarchy (order of creation). The answer to my question has to be one that would not allow for the creation to have been any other way.
The woman was not made less than the man in God's hierarchy because he wanted her to be less. The woman represents a necessity to be less than the man because of what the man represents.
As a female you represent something especially near and dear to the father.

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Adam and eve had a huge commission to fulfill. They had to do it together with one following the other. If both pulled in different directions the job of filling the earth and subduing it would have been very difficult for them. God wanted them to do it together as 'one' The bible account says that Eve was a 'compliment' of the man. If she was the 'same' as him, perhaps they would have gone their own ways and not stayed together. But being a compliment meant they were designed to be together and they worked better together then alone.

Fr. Wayne McNamara said:

Can anyone provide an answer for why Eve was created in the manner that is written in Genesis.

Because Christ, the second Adam, would one day form His Bride through the offering of His Body in death with blood and water flowing out of His side. If you will allow me...Adam is taken from Adam who is in a deep deathlike sleep at the time, (the side - flesh, blood, and bone) and from it God 'builds' the woman (the word is used only here in the creation account) who is more glorious than the Adam (the woman is the glory of the man) and he reunites the glorified Adam (woman) with the Adam; he is made whole again. He proclaims 'flesh of my flesh and bone of my bone', and the two become one flesh. The ontological and eschatological nature of mankind is ingeniously imaged and named. Mankind (or humankind) 'adam' is 'ish' and 'ishah', so there is a male 'man' and a female 'man'. The man (the Adam) and the glorious Woman (seed receiver and life bearer,) together in one-fleshness, image something of life in the Holy Trinity, and embody the eternal intention and reality of Christ and His Church (nomen est omen) in time to come.

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nice. this leads to the spiritual reality being represented imo, wherein your female (ego) is created from your male (essence), and desires control, etc.

Perhaps some of you highbrows would like to preach directly to him . . .

KBCid said:

You need to consider the meaning of my post. Both Adam and Eve could have been made to the exact same individual specifications genetically and been the complimentary male and female they were built as. God had the power to make them exactly as they ended up without having to resort to taking anything from one another. So, genetically speaking they would be identical to what it was when they were made however, they would both still be the individual entities they were formed as just as each of us are individuals. Note also that God could have defined their roles and how they worked together. There is a higher significance about Eve's formation that goes beyond the interplay between the two of them.

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would you eat dinner with two knives?
No. When you eat, you use a knife and fork because those two together work.... they compliment each other.

Two of the same may not have worked as well

KBCid said:

Only 11 were empowered to preach the gospel to the world;

Mark 16:14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen. 15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

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Luke 10:1 says that Jesus sent 70 disciples out to preach.

So the 12 apostles were not alone in that commission.