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justaname

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Pro Jesus Anti Paul,

Simply by your screen name it seems you seek to divide. Yet I will continue with you for a little while.

Let me ask. Who disregarded all the words of Christ? This is your straw man, and a false accusation...not very Christlike.

Also you addressed nothing in my post to you concerning Paul's submission to Christ. The slave of Jesus Christ is not usurping his Master. Here Jesus speaks to this:

"A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master. - Matthew 10:24

Knowing their thoughts, he said to them, "Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand. - Matthew 12:25

Concerning Paul's obvious role in Scripture I especially like Jesus' teaching here:

And he said to them, "Therefore every scribe who has been trained for the kingdom of heaven is like a master of a house, who brings out of his treasure what is new and what is old." - Matthew 13:52

Concerning Jesus' authority and the nature of His commandments or teachings:

27 All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
28 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." - Matthew 11:27-30

To the understanding of the commandments or teachings of the Christ:

"So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets. - Matthew 7:12

37 And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.
38 This is the great and first commandment.
39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets." - Matthew 22:37-40

16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. - John 3:16-18

This directly coincides with Paul's "faith working through love". There is only one gospel. Christ nor the gospel is divided. Paul's message is congruent with Jesus' employment of Him. As we see in Acts:
15 But the Lord said to him, "Go, for he is a chosen instrument of mine to carry my name before the Gentiles and kings and the children of Israel.
16 For I will show him how much he must suffer for the sake of my name." - Acts 9:15-16

The word "Christ" is derived from the Hebrew "Mashiach" which translates anointed.

MESSIAH. The term going back to Messias, a Gk form (John 1:41; 4:25) of the Heb māšı̂ah, denoting an anointed person. Hebrew hammāšı̂aḥ (Aram mĕšı̂ḥāʾ), “the Messiah,” is usually translated in Gk with ho christos, the Christ.
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Messiah. Title derived from the Hebrew, mashiach, a verbal adjective meaning anointed one. Along with its NT equivalent, christos (Christ), it refers to an act of consecration whereby an individual is set apart to serve God and anointed (smeared or perhaps sprinkled) with oil. The verbal root (mashach) conveys this idea as well.
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I pray you approach this information objectively and without bias. Jesus would not appoint a minister of the gospel that is contrary to Him. (Matthew 12:25) That would be counter intuitive.
 
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8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "In you shall all the nations be blessed."
9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. - Galatians 3:8-9

There is one gospel congruent through all the ages. The OT saints looked forward to the coming Christ, the prophet promised by Moses:

17 And the LORD said to me, 'They are right in what they have spoken.
18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him.
19 And whoever will not listen to my words that he shall speak in my name, I myself will require it of him. - Deuteronomy 18:17-19

while the NT saints look back to Christ crucified. Jesus preached the Kingdom of God, of which He is King. Once resurrected the mission Jesus proclaimed changed, but the gospel itself remained the same. It is in and through faith we are justified, both Jew and Gentile.

Jesus is Paul's Lord, and all Scripture is God breathed. One, and only one gospel was given by God to be proclaimed by man amongst the nations. Christ is not divided.

18 And Jesus came and said to them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age." - Matthew 28:18-20

Note: This is the resurrected Christ speaking. So what is it that Jesus is speaking about concerning "all I have commanded you"? We know this:

He presented himself alive to them after his suffering by many proofs, appearing to them during forty days and speaking about the kingdom of God. - Acts 1:3

And by Paul's account we know:

Paul, an apostle-not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead- - Galatians 1:1

11 For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man's gospel.
12 For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ. - Galatians 1:11-12

So then these commands Jesus describes must align with Paul's apostolic mission.

And speaking to the commandments John explains:

23 And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us.
24 Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us. - 1 John 3:23-24

This then also agrees with Paul's gospel of faith working through love:
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love. - Galatians 5:6

The gospel is not divided. You are confused.

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Thank you but I see that you are the one that is confused. In order to promote the ideas that there has never been but one gospel you must throw out the book of Hebrews where it plainly states that the old gospel under law did not achieve what God wanted because of the weakness of men (men could not keep the Law on which the the gospel was based at that time), Today, under grace, there is only one gospel that saves people, the Gospel of Grace given to Paul for mankind which must be believed. That Gospel is that God has atoned (paid) for the sins of all people.

You just will not accept that the gospel for the Jews included the law. Neither Jesus or the 11(12) ever taught that mankind was no longer under the Law of Moses. But under the gospel of grace people are no longer under the law of Moses.

I see this as there being a gospel of the kingdom for the Jews which as been set aside and replaced by Paul's gospel until the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled.

You can believe what you wish and so will.

"For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor un-circumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love" You read this and think of man loving man. I read this and think of Jesus' love working for the children of God that brought about Grace.
 

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IMO it is a fact that in all religions it is what the people in them do to please their god of choice. For the child of God it is all about what God has already done for them.

IMO we are to be what God created us for which is what Christ came to show us...
We are to reflect God just as he did, since we were formed to be the image and likeness of our maker.
God himself tells us of the things he would like us to do as we seek to be his reflection here are just a few;

Matt 6:33 Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and His righteousness.
2 Tim 2:15 Study to show thyself approved unto God … rightly dividing the Word of truth.
Col 3:1,2 Seek those things which are above … set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth
1 Thess 5:21,22 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.. Abstain from all appearance of evil.
Titus 2:12
Live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world....

All of these things and many more he asks us to strive for that we may grow in our reflection of him. Believing in God and Christ is much more than a simple acknowledgement that they do in fact exist, as it was written in
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble...
So, by what line do we separate our belief in God from the devils?
 
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Thank you but I see that you are the one that is confused. In order to promote the ideas that there has never been but one gospel you must throw out the book of Hebrews where it plainly states that the old gospel under law did not achieve what God wanted because of the weakness of men (men could not keep the Law on which the the gospel was based at that time), Today, under grace, there is only one gospel that saves people, the Gospel of Grace given to Paul for mankind which must be believed. That Gospel is that God has atoned (paid) for the sins of all people.

You just will not accept that the gospel for the Jews included the law. Neither Jesus or the 11(12) ever taught that mankind was no longer under the Law of Moses. But under the gospel of grace people are no longer under the law of Moses.

I see this as there being a gospel of the kingdom for the Jews which as been set aside and replaced by Paul's gospel until the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled.

You can believe what you wish and so will.

"For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor un-circumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love" You read this and think of man loving man. I read this and think of Jesus' love working for the children of God that brought about Grace.

You are being misleading. I believe this is the Hebrews verse you are speaking of:

Hebrews 8:7
For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second.

No one disputes that there is an old covenant and a new covenant, yet you use the language "gospel"!

As far as Jesus or the 12 teaching we are not under the Law, just read the book of Acts...
 

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You are being misleading. I believe this is the Hebrews verse you are speaking of:

Hebrews 8:7
For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second.

No one disputes that there is an old covenant and a new covenant, yet you use the language "gospel"!

As far as Jesus or the 12 teaching we are not under the Law, just read the book of Acts...

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So you want me to read the whole book of Acts to see their teaching. Well I have read the book of Acts. It is a book that shows the transition from law to grace. Paul's rise and the falling away from the law.

God made a covenant with the Jews. It was good news to the Jews. Covenant = good news, good news = gospel. You may not like the fact that I see these words to mean the same thing but you will just have to live with it.

People are no longer saved by the covenant/gospel God made with the Jews. God has made a new covenant with all of mankind called grace and it is certainly good news to those that place their faith in it.

In every reply to me you make an accusation that I am doing something wrong when in reality I am expressing what I know about the scriptures just as you are doing. You would make a good politician because that is what they do to those that are of the opposing party. As a matter of fact that is just what the religious did to Jesus, Stephen and Paul among others.
 

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So you want me to read the whole book of Acts to see their teaching. Well I have read the book of Acts. It is a book that shows the transition from law to grace. Paul's rise and the falling away from the law.

God made a covenant with the Jews. It was good news to the Jews. Covenant = good news, good news = gospel. You may not like the fact that I see these words to mean the same thing but you will just have to live with it.

People are no longer saved by the covenant/gospel God made with the Jews. God has made a new covenant with all of mankind called grace and it is certainly good news to those that place their faith in it.

In every reply to me you make an accusation that I am doing something wrong when in reality I am expressing what I know about the scriptures just as you are doing. You would make a good politician because that is what they do to those that are of the opposing party. As a matter of fact that is just what the religious did to Jesus, Stephen and Paul among others.

Jeremiah 31
31: "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
32: not like the covenant which I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant which they broke, though I was their husband, says the LORD.
33: But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34: And no longer shall each man teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, `Know the LORD,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, says the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

All God's people are still under the old covenant today except for us servants who testified to the new covenant knowledge called Christ. All the flesh of man born under the old covenant will be destroyed on the day of the Lord in which the false prophet ( Lucifer ) and the beast will be deleted from the program.

Revelation 19
20: And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had worked the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulphur.

After the day of the Lord, all men created in the image of God will be living under the new covenant in which they will all hear the voice of God speaking directly into their minds like us servants experienced during this first temporary generation.

John 5:
25: "Truly, truly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.
26: For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself,
27: and has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of man.
28: Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice.

This voice of God ( my servant David ) will be the teacher of the new language that all created men will speak to each other about their unique experiences that come from Christ.

Zephaniah 3:
8: "Therefore wait for me," says the LORD, "for the day when I arise as a witness. For my decision is to gather nations, to assemble kingdoms, to pour out upon them my indignation, all the heat of my anger; for in the fire of my jealous wrath all the earth shall be consumed.
9: "Yea, at that time I will change the speech of the peoples to a pure speech, that all of them may call on the name of the LORD and serve him with one accord.
 

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Jeremiah 31
31: "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
32: not like the covenant which I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant which they broke, though I was their husband, says the LORD.
33: But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34: And no longer shall each man teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, `Know the LORD,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, says the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

All God's people are still under the old covenant today except for us servants who testified to the new covenant knowledge called Christ. All the flesh of man born under the old covenant will be destroyed on the day of the Lord in which the false prophet ( Lucifer ) and the beast will be deleted from the program.

Zephaniah 3:
8: "Therefore wait for me," says the LORD, "for the day when I arise as a witness. For my decision is to gather nations, to assemble kingdoms, to pour out upon them my indignation, all the heat of my anger; for in the fire of my jealous wrath all the earth shall be consumed.
9: "Yea, at that time I will change the speech of the peoples to a pure speech, that all of them may call on the name of the LORD and serve him with one accord.


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I do wish that people would notice all the words in a scripture.

If you will notice it is the Jews (the house of Israel) that this new covenant is made. It is the covenant that will be in effect when Jesus returns and sets up His rule on earth.

When people say it is for the Gentiles too they are miss-representing the word of God.

I disagree with the idea that this covenant is made with the Gentiles. It is not the covenant that is founded on God's grace for today.
 

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You are being misleading. I believe this is the Hebrews verse you are speaking of:
Hebrews 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second.
No one disputes that there is an old covenant and a new covenant, yet you use the language "gospel"!
As far as Jesus or the 12 teaching we are not under the Law, just read the book of Acts...

I don't believe we are not under the law. what we are not under is the old letter of the law which defined what to do if you sinned. The old covenant required that you sacrifice animals to cover your sin when you have sinned against God's royal law.

Jeremiah 31:33 But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD:
I will put my law within them, and I will write it upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Matt 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have
treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

If there is no law then there would be nothing for God to put into ones heart.
If there was no law then there could be no sin.
If there is no sin then there is no need for Christ to have sacrificed himself. Further, there would have been no need for Christ to recite the commandments to the person in that last verse. He could have simply told him to "follow me" So, obviously it is not as simple as believe and follow.
 
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I do wish that people would notice all the words in a scripture.

If you will notice it is the Jews (the house of Israel) that this new covenant is made. It is the covenant that will be in effect when Jesus returns and sets up His rule on earth.

When people say it is for the Gentiles too they are miss-representing the word of God.

I disagree with the idea that this covenant is made with the Gentiles. It is not the covenant that is founded on God's grace for today.

You're the one who doesn't understand the symbolic "house of Israel" or "house of Judah". It's impossible for you to understand this following prophecy with these symbolic names Israel and Jacob;

Isaiah 43
1: But now thus says the LORD, he who created you, O Jacob, he who formed you, O Israel: "Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by name, you are mine.
2: When you pass through the waters I will be with you; and through the rivers, they shall not overwhelm you; when you walk through fire you shall not be burned, and the flame shall not consume you.
3: For I am the LORD your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior. I give Egypt as your ransom, Ethiopia and Seba in exchange for you.
14: Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: "For your sake I will send to Babylon and break down all the bars, and the shouting of the Chalde'ans will be turned to lamentations.
15: I am the LORD, your Holy One, the Creator of Israel, your King."

You don't even know what the "LORD" is.
 

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You're the one who doesn't understand the symbolic "house of Israel" or "house of Judah". It's impossible for you to understand this following prophecy with these symbolic names Israel and Jacob;
How could it be a new covenant with teh gentiles wqhen we never had an old one. We gentiles came to Christ directly through grace and by the "new wine" teh spirirt, where as the Jews and teh other tribes went from teh old wineskin teh law and teh flesh to teh new wine, but mankind has mixed teh two togeher and created "church" whcih Jesus said wont work, and we see it doesnt.
 

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How could it be a new covenant with teh gentiles wqhen we never had an old one. We gentiles came to Christ directly through grace and by the "new wine" teh spirirt, where as the Jews and teh other tribes went from teh old wineskin teh law and teh flesh to teh new wine, but mankind has mixed teh two togeher and created "church" whcih Jesus said wont work, and we see it doesnt.

You have no idea what's going on. It's best if you burned up your Bible because your interpretations and the interpretations of the false prophets you listen to are nothing but lies to you. Satan and the beast twist the scriptures into these perverted interpretations. All the names in the prophecies are something totally different than what false prophets think they mean.
 

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You have no idea what's going on. It's best if you burned up your Bible because your interpretations and the interpretations of the false prophets you listen to are nothing but lies to you. Satan and the beast twist the scriptures into these perverted interpretations. All the names in the prophecies are something totally different than what false prophets think they mean.
So many angry people, its what religion does..
 

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You're the one who doesn't understand the symbolic "house of Israel" or "house of Judah". It's impossible for you to understand this following prophecy with these symbolic names Israel and Jacob;

Isaiah 43
1: But now thus says the LORD, he who created you, O Jacob, he who formed you, O Israel: "Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by name, you are mine.
2: When you pass through the waters I will be with you; and through the rivers, they shall not overwhelm you; when you walk through fire you shall not be burned, and the flame shall not consume you.
3: For I am the LORD your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior. I give Egypt as your ransom, Ethiopia and Seba in exchange for you.
14: Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: "For your sake I will send to Babylon and break down all the bars, and the shouting of the Chalde'ans will be turned to lamentations.
15: I am the LORD, your Holy One, the Creator of Israel, your King."

You don't even know what the "LORD" is.
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So the Gentiles are Israel. That is twisting God's word so it fits your theology. No wonder you have such mixed up ideas.

When Jesus came to Israel did He come to the Gentiles too. You will say yes but Jesus said no.

Matt 10:5-7 (NKJ)
5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: "Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans.
6 "But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 "And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'

Matt 15:23-24 (NKJ)
23 But He answered her not a word. And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, "Send her away, for she cries out after us."
24 But He answered and said, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
 

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So the Gentiles are Israel. That is twisting God's word so it fits your theology. No wonder you have such mixed up ideas.

When Jesus came to Israel did He come to the Gentiles too. You will say yes but Jesus said no.

Matt 10:5-7 (NKJ)
5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: "Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans.
6 "But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 "And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'

Matt 15:23-24 (NKJ)
23 But He answered her not a word. And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, "Send her away, for she cries out after us."
24 But He answered and said, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

Isaiah 43
1: But now thus says the LORD, he who created you, O Jacob, he who formed you, O Israel: "Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by name, you are mine.

Jacob is a symbolic name that refers to a "man created in the image of God". The image of God is an invisible thing called Spirit so man was created as Spirit.

Genesis 1
26: Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."
27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

Israel is a symbolic name that refers to the "flesh of man", the visible image that is formed in the created mind of created man.

Genesis 2
7: then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

The "formed man" called a human being dies during this temporary generation while "created man" remains in God as Spirit called the Word of God where all things came from. The Word of God is the "breath of life" ( spirit of God ) in the above passage that "created man" exists as.

John 1
1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2: He was in the beginning with God;
3: all things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made.
4: In him was life, and the life was the light of men.

So "Jacob" ( INVISIBLE CREATED MAN ) and "Israel" ( VISIBLE FORMED HUMAN BEING ) are two different things that make up a man.
 

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So many angry people, its what religion does..

I'm not angry at all but God's anger will destroy all the human beings left on earth on the day of the Lord soon.

Ezekiel 38
19: For in my jealousy and in my blazing wrath I declare, On that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
20: the fish of the sea, and the birds of the air, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep on the ground, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall quake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the cliffs shall fall, and every wall shall tumble to the ground.

2 Peter 3
10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up.

Isaiah 66
15: "For behold, the LORD will come in fire, and his chariots like the stormwind, to render his anger in fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16: For by fire will the LORD execute judgment, and by his sword, upon all flesh; and those slain by the LORD shall be many.

Zephaniah 1
18: Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them on the day of the wrath of the LORD. In the fire of his jealous wrath, all the earth shall be consumed; for a full, yea, sudden end he will make of all the inhabitants of the earth.

Psalms 18
7: Then the earth reeled and rocked; the foundations also of the mountains trembled and quaked, because he was angry.
8: Smoke went up from his nostrils, and devouring fire from his mouth; glowing coals flamed forth from him.

Ezekiel 22
19: Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: Because you have all become dross, therefore, behold, I will gather you into the midst of Jerusalem.
20: As men gather silver and bronze and iron and lead and tin into a furnace, to blow the fire upon it in order to melt it; so I will gather you in my anger and in my wrath, and I will put you in and melt you.

So I don't need to be angry with any of God's people. It's his anger that will destroy all people with fire, hot molten lava that will burst out of the earth from deep inside and melt everything on earth into hot molten rock.
 

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I'm not angry at all but God's anger will destroy all the human beings left on earth on the day of the Lord soon.
And what does that have to do with this discussion. So many religious peopel think they have it all because they are religious. sorry but they are the ones Christ always had trouble with.

I have no Idea about Lutheran theology but no religion agrees with God, they all have there own ideas of how to save themeselves.

I am teh way the truth and teh life says teh Lord, no man can come to heaven except by me, but religion has other ideas.
 

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And what does that have to do with this discussion. So many religious peopel think they have it all because they are religious. sorry but they are the ones Christ always had trouble with.

I have no Idea about Lutheran theology but no religion agrees with God, they all have there own ideas of how to save themeselves.

I am teh way the truth and teh life says teh Lord, no man can come to heaven except by me, but religion has other ideas.

I AM the Truth and always will be for eternity.