If you would add some substance to the conversation it wouldn't be so one sided. But I understand, it's hard to find substance in an empty head.
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@Stranger There are alternatives to acts of violence & revenge, don't be the guy who burns mosques & don't be the guy who abuses muslims, instead show muslims the love & compassion of Jesus, and pray for their lives to turn to Jesus. It's what Jesus wants, he doesn't want them to die a muslim, he wants them to live & he wants to change their lives around, so they may have eternal life in heaven, this is the greatness of God's grace in the New Testament, the grace of God is greater than what we know. We are supposed to forgive people, no matter what they do or have done.
I am sure you skimmed past what I said, the reality is real, we have people abusing & swearing at innocent muslims on public transport in Australia, I care for these muslims, they shouldn't be treated in such away, no matter what they believe in.
Luke 6:27-31
27“But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you
28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you.
29 To one who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from one who takes away your cloak do not withhold your tunicb either.
30 Give to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back.
31 And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them.
Take a look at this, here's a testimony of how a black led a kkk leader to Jesus, by returning good for all the bad the ku klux klan had done to him and his church, eventually it broke the kkk guy, and he gave his life to Jesus, and he developed a great friendship with a person he once hated.
Former Ku Klux Klan Leader Shares How Single Black Man Found Way To Bring Him To Jesus
I am sure you skimmed past what I said, the reality is real, we have people abusing & swearing at innocent muslims on public transport in Australia, I care for these muslims, they shouldn't be treated in such away, no matter what they believe in.
Luke 6:27-31
27“But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you
28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you.
29 To one who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from one who takes away your cloak do not withhold your tunicb either.
30 Give to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back.
31 And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them.
Take a look at this, here's a testimony of how a black led a kkk leader to Jesus, by returning good for all the bad the ku klux klan had done to him and his church, eventually it broke the kkk guy, and he gave his life to Jesus, and he developed a great friendship with a person he once hated.
Former Ku Klux Klan Leader Shares How Single Black Man Found Way To Bring Him To Jesus
If the Lord leads you to forgive everyone, go ahead. To say we have to forgive everyone is not true. (2Tim. 4:14) "Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:"
The government doing its duty with the death penalty and war is not acts of revenge. Me defending myself or family is not revenge.
The verses you gave concern the Sermon on the Mount. Those are the laws of the millennial kingdom. They are not laws that govern the Church.
If one is a muslim, he is not innocent. He is against God, Christ, and you. Every muslim is helping to establish Shariah law over every country.
Why are you fixated with the Ku Klux Klan? You speak as if the Klan is non-Christian and blacks are Christian. Are you black? I'm sure there are many Christians within the Klan. If a black leads a Klansman to Christ, good. If a Klansman leads a black to Christ, good also....right?
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The government doing its duty with the death penalty and war is not acts of revenge. Me defending myself or family is not revenge.
The verses you gave concern the Sermon on the Mount. Those are the laws of the millennial kingdom. They are not laws that govern the Church.
If one is a muslim, he is not innocent. He is against God, Christ, and you. Every muslim is helping to establish Shariah law over every country.
Why are you fixated with the Ku Klux Klan? You speak as if the Klan is non-Christian and blacks are Christian. Are you black? I'm sure there are many Christians within the Klan. If a black leads a Klansman to Christ, good. If a Klansman leads a black to Christ, good also....right?
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well this has been going on since Carter in the late 70's as far as the US, maybe earlier. if you notice its no real heavy research to know that the god of Muhammad the prophet of Islam is really an idol he found in the building they parade around in Mecca and certainly not the God of Abraham, but the media and the politicians deliberately try to convince the masses that they are the same.
this lie is the principle key in the development of the future. as far as the Brits, they have been warned by one of their best,Sir Winston Leonard Spencer-Churchill that Islam in a man is like rabbis in a dog. he's correct. biblically the Lord God of Israel stated to Abraham the descendants of Ismael would be at odes with everyone and each other.
there are those who have the kahunas to take a stand when the situation calls for it, and there is the SOP appeasement policies of the west calling it maintaining the peace.
problem is this ISIS outfit seem more like the old days in the US when white men would wear war paint and do viscous atrocities to encourage war with Indians. somebody farts, and it scares more then one person in and airport, and ISIS claims responsibility, and guess who tells you that, gov and media.
I suspect Islam moneys are infiltrated through out western politics and media, and they will say and do as their patronage pays them. notice the push for Russian bad guys, if the US and Russia were peaceful allies there would be no justification for continued post cold war moneys spent on military.
this guy talking to the senate keeps trying to effect public opinion, he's like dog crap on your shoe you can get the stench off of. FBI proving again its a detriment to the well being of the US like its creator Hover, you know the guy who had the goods on everyone and used it, that was proved later to be a closet cross dresser.
thing is I don't know if this is related in respect to this situation, but when Jeroboam became king in Israel after the split of Judea and Israel he without hesitation made to calves of gold and told Israel that these were their gods so as to keep his subjects from returning to Jerusalem and become subjects of the king of Judea the house of David. so its not the first time power lies to the masses about who and what God is for personal gain and justification of the maintaining of power.
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I do not read, "I, Paul, shall don my Rambo outfit and arm myself to take revenge." He testified basically that vengeance is the Lord's.
True. But let's say ... you disarm the guy and knocked him out. Do you proceed to kill him when he has been subdued? You might need the Lord's help to stop right there. I know I would need His help to stop right there. It is natural to become enraged at someone trying to kill our families, but again, they know not what they do. And we are to ask Jesus to help us to forgive them if they did kill a family member because they know not what they do. We all know where we are going, right? We shall meet our loved ones again soon in Heaven, but let not hate & malice which is a work of the flesh defile ourselves as our bodies are the temples of the Holy Spirit. Believe me.... I am relying totally on the Lord to keep me from hating and put away malice by remembering what the Lord had done for us in saving us while we were yet sinners to serve as an example so that some may believe.
1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
1 Peter 2:19 For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully. 20 For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God. 21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: 22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: 23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: 24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
Man. The Lord really has to put a guard on my mouth when I confront any one trying to kill me or my family. Seems so programmed by media entertainment to let fly reviling remarks.
Proverbs 15:18 A wrathful man stirreth up strife: but he that is slow to anger appeaseth strife.
Proverbs 28:25He that is of a proud heart stirreth up strife: but he that putteth his trust in the Lord shall be made fat.
Sorry, brother. No. Paul writes the same thing.
Romans 12:14 Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.15 Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. 21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good
Regardless; Christ has been appearing to muslims, enabling them to believe in Him and thus converting to christianity. Some hide their conversion ( which they should not do but immediate death from family members will usually result. ) You can find some testimonies on YouTube about Jesus appearing to some muslims in converting them to christianity.
Can we do less? May the Lord help us to serve Him in saving the lost people among Islam.
I am sure there are christians in the Klans as well, but they are not abiding in Him as His disciples if they hate people for the color of their skin.
Just as christians are not abiding in Him as His disciple if they hate people for the violence of their religion. Hate the violence; hate that religions; but love the sinner in Islam.
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these islamophobes are well repped here too, and they are doing what they have been progged to do, which is hate. Wadr you maybe haven't made a connection yet--that it all has to do with forcing your concepts about Jesus onto everyone else, and believing that Muslims need to talk like you do or accept your belief system in order to be "saved."
I know that seems harsh, but they are the same thing. Perceiving someone else as "other" and by assertion "inferior" and in need of something that you think you have and they do not.
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quote:- And as a country ceases to protect its people and let the muslims run wild, then we who are Christians must exhort the country to do what it is supposed to do. Which is go to war against islam, who is the enemy.
Stranger
Do you think that that is the answer NOW...it should have been, could have been...but our governments , and those who give them their orders...sold us out long ago. They opened our doors and let in the army of enemies. ( who openly say that they will control every land where their feet tread..because the Quran says so. ) So from day one ,their agenda was open not hidden!! Even when some protested back then, it was said that they were refugees ...yet any idiot with half a brain could see that they were between 18-40 with next to none females or children!! An Army.
Where it will all end only God knows, and at the moment He is saying nothing. The church itself seems totally powerless....I have no idea what the ANSWER is.
None of this happened by chance...it has all been very well orchestrated and carefully planed.
We the people have our hands tied...our governments and the invaders are against us. Control is ( through fear) the god or the hour. Who will stand with us?
Is the Biker Army going to be the only one who stands up to be counted ...at least they are doing something. Maybe waving a red rag to the bull in having pig roasts all over the glob...but at lest a voice of protest.
I have no real answer. I just know that God is in control and He will move when the time is right and the muslims and One Worlders cup is full. Gen 15. "But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full."
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Do you think that that is the answer NOW...it should have been, could have been...but our governments , and those who give them their orders...sold us out long ago. They opened our doors and let in the army of enemies. ( who openly say that they will control every land where their feet tread..because the Quran says so. ) So from day one ,their agenda was open not hidden!! Even when some protested back then, it was said that they were refugees ...yet any idiot with half a brain could see that they were between 18-40 with next to none females or children!! An Army.
Where it will all end only God knows, and at the moment He is saying nothing. The church itself seems totally powerless....I have no idea what the ANSWER is.
None of this happened by chance...it has all been very well orchestrated and carefully planed.
We the people have our hands tied...our governments and the invaders are against us. Control is ( through fear) the god or the hour. Who will stand with us?
Is the Biker Army going to be the only one who stands up to be counted ...at least they are doing something. Maybe waving a red rag to the bull in having pig roasts all over the glob...but at lest a voice of protest.
I have no real answer. I just know that God is in control and He will move when the time is right and the muslims and One Worlders cup is full. Gen 15. "But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full."
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And pray tell, what do you have that others do not? In order for you to stand apart from those not accepting Islam as Islamophobes, you have to be preaching something. So what are you preaching? Mind your own business and the world will get along just fine? When are you going to practice that?
Concerning (2 Tim. 4:14), it shows that we don't have to forgive everyone. Which is what was originally claimed. No one said anything about 'Rambo'. Quit trying to misrepresent.
If you or your family is attacked, you do what you need to. If you are dead, you leave your family at the mercy of the attackers. Seems pretty straight forward what you should do. If you don't already know what to do, then you are not going to know what to do when the time comes. You better know now. You better figure it out.
Good verses, (1 Tim. 1:15) and (1Pet. 2:19) and (Pro.15:18, 25). How is defending yourself or family a fault? Just because one defends himself or family does not make him a 'wrathful man'. Just because one defends himself or family does not make him 'of a proud heart'.
No, Paul didn't write the same thing. The Sermon on the Mount is Law. Nothing but Law. Paul said, (Rom. 12:18), " If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men." Find that in the Sermon on the Mount.
Big deal. muslims get saved. That doesn't mean those who are muslims are not the enemy. Just because some get saved doesn't mean muslims are not the enemy.
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quote:- And as a country ceases to protect its people and let the muslims run wild, then we who are Christians must exhort the country to do what it is supposed to do. Which is go to war against islam, who is the enemy.
Stranger
Do you think that that is the answer NOW...it should have been, could have been...but our governments , and those who give them their orders...sold us out long ago. They opened our doors and let in the army of enemies. ( who openly say that they will control every land where their feet tread..because the Quran says so. ) So from day one ,their agenda was open not hidden!! Even when some protested back then, it was said that they were refugees ...yet any idiot with half a brain could see that they were between 18-40 with next to none females or children!! An Army.
Where it will all end only God knows, and at the moment He is saying nothing. The church itself seems totally powerless....I have no idea what the ANSWER is.
None of this happened by chance...it has all been very well orchestrated and carefully planed.
We the people have our hands tied...our governments and the invaders are against us. Control is ( through fear) the god or the hour. Who will stand with us?
Is the Biker Army going to be the only one who stands up to be counted ...at least they are doing something. Maybe waving a red rag to the bull in having pig roasts all over the glob...but at lest a voice of protest.
I have no real answer. I just know that God is in control and He will move when the time is right and the muslims and One Worlders cup is full. Gen 15. "But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full."
Well, we encourage our governments to do the right thing concerning this islam onslaught. And, you prepare yourselves and others of like mind, to arm and defend themselves in case the government fails in its obligation. Voice your opinion against this. And be armed to the hilt. Remember, when you run out of ammo....you lose.
Stranger
have you ever heard the phrase the most dangerous ones are the true believers. in the case of Christianity there are few true believers, working in God's Mercy, healing, acceptance of repentance unto eternal life, and the disregard for, and chasing away of the accuser of God's People.
but true believers you and the media and the politicians call "extremists" in Islam, like the few, are the most dangerous. if they are true believers then the dogma is unacceptable to be in the world, and anyone who declares it, and their alliance to it, is by their own choice agreeing to the dogma there in, otherwise they would denounce Islam and move on to some other belief wouldn't they?
your not born a Muslim, you are born an araba or Persian or Syrian or Egyptian so on and so forth, but one chooses to remain a Muslim.
as Churchill said Islam in man is like rabbis in a dog. Christians in their day where under the obligation to pray for Nazis but that doesn't make it ok to follow the Nazi way does it? was their good Nazis? to be a good Nazi one must follow the Nazi dogma, to be a good Muslim one must follow the Islam dogma, and the so called extremists do.
its not about how you feel about it, its the facts that count, what is good in your judgement doesn't matter, because that is what the media and the politicians want you to do. the only info you get, from them they know the arrogant westerner will judge according to their own judgement. they know this, duping the general public into its own perception of right and wrong.
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Thanks for clarifying your replies.
Too often I know what I should do as the Bible says, but I don't always do it. What you say is sensible, but we all need His help to do what is right thing to do at every given moment.
It is not a fault to defend your family; but an attack on any one's family can make a wrathful man. An invader in the home, can make one a proud man that wants to attack rather than just go out the backdoor with the family to escape. If the family's safety is the primary concern; then one should take the escape that the Lord provided.
Actually, Jesus was citing how people under the law did things and then spoke of how people shall do under the New Covenant by His grace & by His help. Example is Matthew 5:33-37 where people performed their oath unto the Lord as required by the law, but Jesus now says to those who follow Him that it is evil to make an oath.. even to swear how serious you are in finishing that oath, because verse 36 testifies that you cannot make one har white or black; meaning, only God can do His work in you and to help you do good; so do not promise that which by faith you are to have in Him to finish.
So no. You are reading the Sermon on the Mount wrong. Jesus is testifying to the New Covenant of what man cannot do, but God can.
Any one can be the enemy. Even a christian. The point is trust Jesus Christ as your Good Shepherd to give you a heart for the lost even among muslims and to direct your words and actions how He deems fit in showing love towards any enemy as the Lord provides the opportunity to do so. That also means that He may lead you away from someone because the Lord knows that person is not seeking the truth nor His love a all.
Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. 7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
Just trust the Lord to help you to be open to any one, even a muslim, that ask you for the hope you have in you.
1 Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
Trust Him to take care of you & your family, and seek rather to be ready ti give an answer to those that ask you of your faith in Him.
The Sermon on the Mount is the Law of the Kingdom. Not for the Church.
I do trust God and Christ to take care of me and my family. Always. But neither do I neglect my responsibilities. And I don't believe the government should neglect it's also. Which it is doing in allowing muslims into the country.
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of course you are like 50 or 100 times more likely to die by cop herenow than a Muslim terrorist, and i forget how much more likely you are to die by a Christian terrorist; but then i guess since you cannot claim even one incident you prolly would rather ignore that and just rely on the news lol
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the rather obvious difference being that i am not on a Christian forum ranting about imaginary Muslim behavior that i cannot even personally witness to, and you are. So, if your complaint is against Muslims, why aren't you going to Muslim forums with them?
The obvious answer being that you do not seek resolution, but affirmation, from like-minded bigots, who are naturally also quite often pretending to be Christians, and we have our share here too. Notice you found Stranger, lol.
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I reckon you will have to prove that in another thread, but I do not see it that way at all. Nope. Jesus was talking about the New Covenant that was coming that will replace the Old Covenant.
Agreed.
Do you not find it strange how missionaries will risk their lives going into Islamic countries ( and I do not think there are that many that do that ) but yet, you would think they would be more bold to go to the muslims in this country where the laws can protect them moreso; not a guaranteed, mind you, but at least Shariah Law is not in effect and they know it.
TV ministries in our country should be exposing the lies of Islam and the Quran and preach the gospel of Jesus Christ to the viewers instead of begging for money all the time. It is a war of principality, but I reckon the Lord will have to lead the ones He knows will do it with His love and patience & gentleness.
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You mean, none you care to see? You told me to turn off the television as if world news is not enough.
Take a look at the list of videos by muslims at this Youtube link and see. You do not have to watch any of those videos in that list, but just look at the titles of all those videos by muslims on that list.
muslim kill homosexual - YouTube
I reckon you can do your own search on Youtube search browser on videos by muslims on their religious supported bigotry.
Or... you can continue to put your head in the sand & pretend that all muslims are peaceful when their Quran teaches them to kill. You can hope that you do not come across a fundamentalist muslim, but ignoring the problem is akin to USA ignoring the Axis powers in WW 2. 9/11 is our Pearl Harbor.
Most likely get kicked out. Some forums that you give your computer access to can access your computer to a limited degree. It happaned at Delphi forums. I do not know if all forums are like that or just some or only a few.
Jesus did say to not cast pearls before swine. The following verses are about those that seek. Muslim sites are not seeking.
You do not know Jesus to know what a christian is. Christians are sinners saved by Jesus Christ. They are not going to be perfect, but they are called to be perfect by believing in Jesus Christ to be their Good Shepherd to help them in their walk with Him to follow Him by His words as kept in the KJV.
May I ask you to go to an Islamic country and wear a T-shirt with the American flag if you really believe muslims are not the ones being bigots?
Yeah. I think you know better but you are just replying for the sake of being argumentative and judgmental in obtuseness when you are not willing to back up anything you say or do to prove otherwise that muslims are not anything we need to be concern about.
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i'll pass, thanks. They might be Muslims to you but they are violating Qur'an page 1, and so they do not qualify as Muslims to me. Those links are bait for people like you, with all due respect.
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Pray that the muslims you meet have never passed page one of the Quran then.
From this website on the teachings of the Quran.
The Quran's Verses of Violence
"The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter."
AND to your point about page one;
"Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad's own martial legacy, along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran, have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history."
If you go to the site and scroll down a little bit on the page, they will show you some of the many verses teaching violence to infidels.
Think of page one as the bait in the Quran that suckers muslim into violence as the Quran ultimately emphasized on joining the slaughter to be a true muslim. That is why fundamentalist muslims are considered terrorists.
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