Atheism: The Newest Religion or Cult?

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This always makes for some discussion.We know from many a Bible verse that there will come "scoffers" and so on in the last days. There have been and will be many who forsake our Father for false gods and goddesses and so on. The biggest scoffers, in my mind, are atheists.A lot of people say that an atheist is not a religious figure, but I beg to differ. Atheism is its own religion, just with a slightly new twist. The concept of "gods" or "god" is replaced by the human being. It's the idea that there is no supreme governing force in the world; no good or evil, but only that which is deemed good or evil by the human [god]. Atheism is obviously embraced most often by what is known as the "left" here in American and abroad. They use it all the time to drag down the typical man and turn him into something much more appealing for them.It just makes me sit back and become filled with awe because this trend plays perfectly into what the Bible predicts. It will again become as it was in the "days of Noe" (Matthew 24:37) predicts the Bible and this is coming true. Atheism revels in human sexuality and immorality; there is no wrong out there, it's only what one makes of it. I think in many ways atheists are far weaker than the Christians that they accuse of being weak. They're scared to acknowledge that there's more out there; that there's a central power many, many, infinitely times more powerful and knowledgable than them that sets the rules and defines every single aspect of the universe. They become obsessed with the world and the pleasures therein. It gives them an excuse and an escape.I know that was a bit of a ramble, but what do yall think?
 

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I believe it takes more faith to say there is no God than to consider that there may be. It must be very difficult to remain at war with God.
 

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"Atheism is its own religion, just with a slightly new twist"Atheists are people who have looked at the evidence and concluded that there is no god. The difference between science and religion is that should new evidence come along, a good scientist will drop every preconception and take up the new theory. So no atheist should be absolutely 100% sure, because though we have concluded that god is so unlikely that we can safely base our actions on the assumption that he doesn't exist, we should technically still be slightly agnostic. But the difference is between 100% certainty and 99.999999999999% (in my case I would need a lot more 9s).""gods" or "god" is replaced by the human being"I don't know about other atheists, but myself, I would never call humans perfect let alone omnipotent or omniscient etc. If I were to call anything god, it would have to be used in the same metaphorical sense that Einstein and Hawking use. When they say god they mean nature, and the fundamental laws that govern it. This is called Pantheism and stems from a deep reverence and admiration for the beauty and complexity of nature. But I don't use it this way because it creates confusion."no good or evil, but only that which is deemed good or evil by the human"well that’s debatable and there are lots of definitions of good and evil (its more of a philosophical question than a religious one in my opinion). But if you are implying that we are inherently immoral, I can tell you that there’s simply no evidence for that. My argument against that would be that every mentally normal person has some level of empathy that the rest of their morals stem from. If you believe that we need a god watching over us to be moral, then how are we moral people. Does this mean that if god looked away for a second, all Christians would rape and pillage? No, because we have empathy (and law)“I think in many ways atheists are far weaker than the Christians that they accuse of being weak” We don’t accuse Christians of being weak, or at least we shouldn’t. Atheists should assume that all Christians have had the courage to examine their beliefs and the courage to stick to them. How can we call Christians weak if this is true? Now in here in Australia it doesn’t take much courage to be an Atheist, but in America, people are cast out of society for it. I believe that any American Atheist would have to be a very strong person.“They're scared to acknowledge that there's more out there” The only difference between us and you is that we don’t believe there’s a god. How can we be scared to acknowledge something that we don’t believe exists?“It must be very difficult to remain at war with God” Not when we don’t believe he exists. It’s the warring with Christians that’s the hard bit (again not here in Australia, but where you are).
 

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Atheists are people who have looked at the evidence and concluded that there is no god. The difference between science and religion is that should new evidence come along, a good scientist will drop every preconception and take up the new theory. So no atheist should be absolutely 100% sure, because though we have concluded that god is so unlikely that we can safely base our actions on the assumption that he doesn't exist, we should technically still be slightly agnostic. But the difference is between 100% certainty and 99.999999999999% (in my case I would need a lot more 9s).
We'll probably agree that we can argue the semantics of faith all day, but I say it's a fair assumption to make that belief in no God is its own form of faith. There's not a way to prove God doesn't exist, many have tried but there's no way to disprove it, there's simply no proof that says God cannot exist. I've seen plenty of attempts. Now, I've noticed many atheists like to use the term reason. Case in point would be the article labeled "reason vs faith" on your blog. Simply taking one term and labeling it another seems to be the common method of operation. I reason that there is a God, you reason that there is not. I have faith that there is a God, you have faith that there is not a God.
I don't know about other atheists, but myself, I would never call humans perfect let alone omnipotent or omniscient etc. If I were to call anything god, it would have to be used in the same metaphorical sense that Einstein and Hawking use. When they say god they mean nature, and the fundamental laws that govern it. This is called Pantheism and stems from a deep reverence and admiration for the beauty and complexity of nature. But I don't use it this way because it creates confusion.
You're making an assumption that I did not make. I didn't say atheists think of themselves or humans as perfect, just they think of themselves as the higest order of the totem poll - like a god or gods. Case in point here would be this "The Secret" nonsense that we can simply will good things to happen and they will. There's a lot of this contained within this New Age. I realize this doesn't apply to the avowed atheist always, but in many areas it does begin to overlap with secular humanism.
well that’s debatable and there are lots of definitions of good and evil (its more of a philosophical question than a religious one in my opinion). But if you are implying that we are inherently immoral, I can tell you that there’s simply no evidence for that. My argument against that would be that every mentally normal person has some level of empathy that the rest of their morals stem from. If you believe that we need a god watching over us to be moral, then how are we moral people. Does this mean that if god looked away for a second, all Christians would rape and pillage? No, because we have empathy (and law)
It was not my intention to imply that all atheists are immoral beings running around wreaking havoc on the world. However, I am driving at the root of a lot of this which resides in the idea of perception. What one person perceives as evil another might see as good. That's fine and dandy until you start worrying about everyone else's perspective on everything. The perspective of a cold blooded murderer or child molestor should be considered - or at least, so we're told.
We don’t accuse Christians of being weak, or at least we shouldn’t. Atheists should assume that all Christians have had the courage to examine their beliefs and the courage to stick to them. How can we call Christians weak if this is true? Now in here in Australia it doesn’t take much courage to be an Atheist, but in America, people are cast out of society for it. I believe that any American Atheist would have to be a very strong person.
What part of America do you live in? I have friends who are not of my faith and they're not outcasts by any means. I live in what is considered the Bible belt for that matter. I'll respond to the rest with a few quotes from your blog:
We don’t accuse Christians of being weak, or at least we shouldn’t. Atheists should assume that all Christians have had the courage to examine their beliefs and the courage to stick to them. How can we call Christians weak if this is true? Now in here in Australia it doesn’t take much courage to be an Atheist, but in America, people are cast out of society for it. I believe that any American Atheist would have to be a very strong person.
This one was probably the best:
Here's the deal, you can believe the earth is flat if you are of no consequence to anyone else. That means no political positions, no celebrity status, no trying to convert anyone else, and most of all, no having children. Having children is the worst thing you can possibly do as a theist because you end up forcing your beliefs on them. Don't infringe on your children's right to form their own beleifs. Any form of faith teaches you not to think for yourself and should be avoided if you don't want to endanger your capacity for reasonable thought.
That's rationl for sure...we have no right to do what you're doing as you write this. If that's reason, I'll stick with faith.
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I want to keep this discussion civil. If you would like to get more riled up about it, use my blog. I decided to come to this forum in a much more moderate way than the views I expressed in my blog. If you want to atack me for things i've said there, feel free to do so, but keep it there because I am using a different persona here."We'll probably agree that we can argue the semantics of faith all day, but I say it's a fair assumption to make that belief in no God is its own form of faith. There's not a way to prove God doesn't exist, many have tried but there's no way to disprove it, there's simply no proof that says God cannot exist. I've seen plenty of attempts."Every piece of evidence i've seen however points to god not existing. It's not a proof, but it makes god seem very unlikely.By the way, no evidence disproving god will ever be found because it's virtually impossible to prove a negative. That's why the burden of proof lies with you on this. It's like saying "Theres no evidence that fairies don't exist, therefore, they do". You can use logic and reason to make god seem very unlikely, but disproving him is much harder."I reason that there is a God, you reason that there is not. I have faith that there is a God, you have faith that there is not a God."I guess it depends on the evidence you base your faith on. when I said Atheists are people who have looked at the evidence and concluded that there is no god, I didn't mean that was the only valid conclusion to make. But my guess would be that for the most part Christians have not looked at the evidence and base their beliefs on what they've been brought up on."You're making an assumption that I did not make. I didn't say atheists think of themselves or humans as perfect, just they think of themselves as the higest order of the totem poll - like a god or gods"Sorry, by god I thought you meant god. If you didn't actually mean god, it's usually best not to use that word because of the conotations it carries with it. As I said, if atheists were to call anything god, it would not be humans, but nature and it's laws. "It was not my intention to imply that all atheists are immoral beings running around wreaking havoc on the world."I wasn't quite sure what your point was so I assumed it was the most common attack against atheists, that we are immoral."What one person perceives as evil another might see as good"Which is precisely why we have laws"The perspective of a cold blooded murderer or child molestor should be considered"These people are dont have the empathy I was speaking of, or if they do, they will feel a lot of guilt afterwards."What part of America do you live in? I have friends who are not of my faith and they're not outcasts by any means. I live in what is considered the Bible belt for that matter."Good. You are obviously a reasonable and fair person. I said I don't live in America. But I've read enough to know that not everyone is as nice to atheists as you are. A survey:"Being an atheist is still "the most discriminated-against characteristic of the eight tested in the research," according to the latest Gallup poll asking who people would vote for for U.S. President. Only 49 percent would vote for an atheist, while 59 percent would vote for a homosexual, 92 percent would vote for a black, and 95 percent would vote for a woman. This figure is up from 1958, when only 18 percent would have voted for an atheist. No other group has ever gone lower than 26 percent, which was how many people would have voted for a homosexual in 1987 (when the homosexual category for this poll began)."You may not discriminate against atheists, but most Americans do.now if you want to argue about what ive said on my blog, take it there. I wrote what I wrote there to generate some feedback as it's a very new site. It obviously worked
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Atheist's are people who like many of us heard a bunch of lies from the churches and instead of searching for the truth , dismissed God altogether. I challenge any atheist to study with someone like Arnold Murray for a year . the worst that could happen is you come away with a lot of information to challenge us believers., The best ,you realize the absolute truth that God loved you enough to wirite you a letter explaining all His plans . You'll see how He proves the Word and has told of events that are being fullfilled on a daily basis. I am a Jewish Christian and I too have been persecuted by many churches and pew warmers who do not really know God, but know their religion. I love all of you, because God taught me how to love you, NOT because you are all loveable!! These athiest's will have lots of religious company in the afterlife, both far from the God they didnt care to learn about in this earth age. That should be an incentive for all of us to learn.Love you all , Betchevy
 

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Was it Ptolomey who said," Die not believing in God and He is real, you lose.. Believe in God , die and He's not real, it won't matter." I'd like to add, at least you've had a life filled with hope and love.Still loving u, Betchevy
 

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If all atheists ceased to exist religion would continue unabated. Right ?.Here's my question:If all religion ceased to exist, wouldn't all atheists cease to exist also?Everyone would all just think the same, Whatever new theory some scientist came up with, would be the believe of the month.So for atheists to continue to exist depends on us and God/religion being everlasting?So there is something to be againt?
 

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hmm, athiests do tend to be pushy sometimes with views, albeit we cannot just take these into consideration as quite often agnostics are simular. stereotypes and misinterpretation that also contributes, athiesm does seem to be on the increase, i guess you could say science aids this too. By athiesm no longer real there will still be problems as there are always some with opposing views, a different outlook, we can learn from these people, ok they do not follow faith but by listening we learn about another way of life, for me to understand a life without god seems an impossibility so it interesting. perhaps if education advances and more minds are open there will be less pushy athiests. you have to pity them though it must be so hard.