Who are the 4 Living Creatures and the 24 Elders?

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Who or what are these 4 Living Creatures and the 24 Elders? Their identities are a very very deep mystery of Revelation. One must go through the other mysteries of Revelation and of the Bible before he/she can reach the “place” of these two great groups of entities. Only God through our Lord Yeshua can unlock these other mysteries for us. Our Lord Yeshua, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and of knowledge, holds the key to these mysteries. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.

This post is just a part of an article entitled Revelation and Its Mysteries. To understand their identities better, one must read also the topics “The Divisions of Revelation,” “The Parallelism Between The Trumpets and The Last Plagues” (not time related), and the “Parallelisms Based On The Creation Days” (not time related) in the said article.

(Rev 4:9 KJV) And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,
(Rev 4:10 KJV) The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
(Rev 4:11 KJV) Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Verses 9 and 10 seem to tell that the 4 Living Creatures and the 24 Elders are symbolically related to each other. If we will multiply the 6 wings of the 4 Living Creatures by their number, the result will be 24 – the number of the 24 Elders. Who or what do these two groups of entities which are related to each other represent or personify? The author doesn’t know anyone or anything that could conform to their attributes except – the Letters to the churches, the Seals, the Trumpets, and the Last Plagues and the parallelisms between the 1st 6 parts of them. This “theory” is very strong. Let the initials L, S, T, LP represent the Letters to the churches, the Seals, the Trumpets, and the Last Plagues respectively.
– The 4 individual Living Creatures personify the L, S, T, LP. Their wings seem to represent the 1st 6 parts of the L, S, T, LP.
– The 24 Elders represent the 1st 6 parts of the L, S, T, LP as a whole. It’s only up to their 6th parts maybe because there are only six creation days where the parallelisms between the L, S, T, LP are based.

They have different sets of attributes. In the topic “Parallelisms Based On The Creation Days” (this is a very interesting topic), the parallelisms between the L, S, T, LP are based on the creation days. How could this thing be met? The above verses Rev 4:9-11 are hints and clues about these two groups of entities. As I understand it, these verses could be interpreted as thus, whenever a parallelism between the L, S, T, LP occurs a praise that is also a hint is offered by the 24 Elders (both of them are affected by the parallelism) to God and that hint is in verse 11 that says God created all things and by His will or for His pleasure are all things existed and were created.

The L, S, T, LP as the 4 Living Creatures

Rev 4:6 ISV) In front of the throne was something like a sea of glass as clear as crystal. In the center of the throne and on each side of the throne were four living creatures full of eyes in front and in back.
(Rev 4:7 ISV) The first living creature was like a lion, the second living creature was like an ox, the third living creature had a face like a human, and the fourth living creature was like a flying eagle.
(Rev 4:8 ISV) Each of the four living creatures had six wings and were full of eyes inside and out. Without stopping day or night they were saying, “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was, who is, and who is coming.”

“Eyes” figuratively means knowledge, mental and spiritual faculties. See Strong’s and BDB’s Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries. In verse 6, it says that these 4 living creatures are full of eyes. These “eyes” could mean the individual knowledge and information (not in parallel) they carry to themselves from their 1st parts up to their 6th or maybe, up to their 7th parts. The “eyes” in their wings (verse 8), could refer to the knowledge and information that are in parallel between them from their 1st parts up to their 6th parts. In verse 7, they were individually likened to a lion, an ox, face like a man and a flying eagle and these could refer to the L, S, T, LP respectively. The author does not see any indication how the order of assigning should be done, so, the order of their appearance – which came first – will be the one that will be used here.

1st Living Creature – The Letters to the Churches – Lion

Our Lord Yeshua, in His letters to the churches commends the angels of the good works in their corresponding churches. He also corrects them and gives warnings against any wrong doings. Now, what does the lion-like attribute of the Lord has to do with the Letters to the Churches?

(Hos 5:14 ASV) For I will be unto Ephraim as a lion, and as a young lion to the house of Judah: I, even I, will tear and go away; I will carry off, and there shall be none to deliver.
(Hos 5:15 ASV) I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me earnestly.

(Job 10:15 NIV) If I am guilty—woe to me! Even if I am innocent, I cannot lift my head, for I am full of shame and drowned in my affliction.
(Job 10:16 NIV) If I hold my head high, you stalk me like a lion and again display your awesome power against me.

You will see in the contexts of these passages that the Lord God is like a lion when he rebukes and disciplines His own people. That’s exactly what the Lord Yeshua will do if His admonitions and warnings to the angels of the churches are not heeded. He will be like a lion to them.

What about the following verse?

(Rev 5:5 KJV) And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Should the lion-like attribute of the Lord Yeshua be assigned to the Seals because of this verse? As for me, it should be assigned to the Letters to the Churches because it’s the right order and reading the next verses…

Rev 5:6-9 KJV
(6) And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
(7) And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
(8) And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
(9) And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

…the lamb attribute of the Lord Yeshua is the one who opened the book and loosen the seven seals thereof. Read Revelation chapter 6 up to chapter 8.

2nd Living Creature – The Seals – Ox

The Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David opens the Seals as a lamb and not as a lion. Even in the re-opening of the 6th Seal, it is the imagery of the Lamb that is there.

(Rev 6:5 ASV) And when he opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature saying, Come. And I saw, and behold, a black horse; and he that sat thereon had a balance in his hand.
(Rev 6:6 ASV) And I heard as it were a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, A measure of wheat for a shilling, and three measures of barley for a shilling; and the oil and the wine hurt thou not.

This passage denotes scarcity of food but there’s another thing in here. In Rev 5:6 it says that the Lamb is in the midst of the 4 Living Creatures, so it could be His voice that came out in verse 6 above. Now, what is common between a lamb, wheat, barley, wine, oil, and an ox? All of them can be an offering to God. See Exodus 29:40 and Ezekiel 45:13.

In the 5th Seal, the symbolic souls of those who had been slain for the word of God are portrayed as being under the altar where offerings are made.

In light of these things we can now tell who the rider on the white horse is in the 1st Seal. It is the Lord Yeshua. He is the Passover Lamb that was slaughtered as an offering to redeem us from our sins. The verse says:
– He had a bow. What about the arrow? Visit the article – The Olivet Prophecy
– He was given a crown – a crown of thorns.
– He came out conquering, and to conquer.

(Rev 5:5 ESV) And one of the elders said to me, “Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals.”

(Rev 5:9 ESV) And they sang a new song, saying, “Worthy are you to take the scroll and to open its seals, for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation

If we will compare these two verses, it seems that the words “conquered” (verse 5) and “slain” (verse 9) are synonymous to each other contextually.

Some bible translations render the word “conquered” in verse 5 as “prevailed”.

3rd Living Creature – The Trumpets – Face like a Man

In the 5th Trumpet, there’s a verse that describe a quality of the symbolic Locust Army – their faces like the faces of men (Rev 9:7).

A bigger aspect of the phrase “face like a man” is not easily seen in the Trumpets because we are not aware of it. We recognize a man through his face. Even if we haven’t met a certain man before, we could recognize him through a picture or a sketch of his face, but what really makes us recognize him is the collection of information regarding the qualities of his eyes, nose, lips, etc. It is this collection of information concerning the qualities of a man or group of men that is referred to as a bigger aspect of “face like a man” and these things can be found in the Trumpets (2nd part). Read the descriptions of the Locust Army with their King in the 5th Trumpet; The Two Myriads of Myriads Troops and the Two Witnesses in the 6th Trumpet.

What about this verse?

(Rev 8:13 HNV) I saw, and I heard an eagle, flying in mid heaven, saying with a loud voice, “Woe! Woe! Woe for those who dwell on the earth, because of the other voices of the trumpets of the three angels, who are yet to sound!”

This is the only instance of a “flying eagle” in the Trumpets, but if you will look at it closely, you will see that it’s not part of any Trumpet, is it? As for me, it’s part of the 7th Seal, speaking about the 5th, 6th and the 7th Trumpet.

4th Living Creature – The Last Plagues – Flying Eagle

One of the things that an eagle’s wings symbolize is power as in Jeremiah 48:40 and Ezekiel 17:3, 7. According to the parallelisms based on Day 5, birds can represent God’s people. With these things in mind, it can be stated that a flying eagle means God’s people or holy people while using their power. Can the reader still remember what is said in the topic “The Seven Last Plagues” under the Explanation of the Fourth Section in The Divisions of Revelation? It is pointed out there that the Two Witnesses are the ones God will use in pouring out some of the Seven Last Plagues. These two witnesses are God’s people – the holy people. They can be represented by a bird, an eagle, and their power – the wings of an eagle. What is stated there supports what is being said here and vice versa. They confirm each other.

The L, S, T, LP as the 24 Elders

The entire L, S, T, LP except their 7th parts could be what these 24 Elders personify. Some people call the assembly of the earthly counterpart of these elders as Sanhedrin or Great Council. Even some small church organizations call some of their members as elders. These are the learned men and who are holding office (seat or office), trustworthy and honest men (white robes) and possessing authority (crown of gold).

Each of these 24 Elders carries information to himself. Let’s say, for example, the elder that represents the 1st Seal knows there’s a white horse and its rider had a bow and it was given a crown and it came forth conquering and to conquer. Some of them possess more information than the others, but just like the real human elders who convene and share their thoughts on matters of beliefs and doctrines, they also share the information they held among themselves. So, the knowledge of each of these 24 Elders represent the collective information that all of them held. Add to these things the information that came out of the parallelisms between the L, S, T, LP which they represent. Like earthly human elders they teach us new and deeper things, and help us understand deep mysteries some of which can only be learned through them. That’s exactly what they have done when we were studying the topic – Parallelisms Based on the Creation Days, isn’t it? We can inquire from them some things that are unclear to us.

The 24 Elders are MORE THAN JUST personifications of the L, S, T, LP!

Real human elders do not just teach, they also study. They learn from the Holy Scripture, the word of God, so as with the 24 Elders, they seem to acquire new knowledge from God who is seated on the throne and from the Lamb who is in their midst. You will notice these things when you will study what the elder have said to John at the 6th Seal. Some are outside of the collective information they represent.

(Rev 7:13 KJV) And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
(Rev 7:14 KJV) And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
(Rev 7:15 KJV) Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
(Rev 7:16 KJV) They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
(Rev 7:17 KJV) For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

In this vision, John says that it is the elder who knows who the multitudes are (verse 14). Is it because the elder is an elder? As for me, yes, because elders convene on matters of doctrines and beliefs and the Parallelisms Based on the Creation Days is like a convention to them. They know when the great tribulation occurs because of the information they had and because of the parallelisms. Let’s now find where the elder got what he had told to John in the passage above.

Knowledge they learned from God and from the Lamb or Lord Yeshua who were very near to them:
– “have washed their robes” (verse 14) – Rev 22:14
– “blood of the Lamb” (verse 14) – Rev 12:11
– “he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them” (verse 15) – Rev 21:3
– “living fountains of waters” (verse 17) – Rev 22:1-2
– “God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes” (verse 17) – Rev 21:4

“Inherent” Knowledge:
– “great tribulation” (verse 14) – 4th Letter Rev 2:22
– “day and night” (verse 15) – 4th Trumpet Rev 8:12
– “neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat” (verse 16) – 4th Plague Rev 16:8-9

Their inherent knowledge here strongly support that the great tribulation occurs on the 4th Seal and that the 24 Elders are the personifications of the 1st six parts of the L, S, T, LP as a whole with the parallelisms between them.

These things don’t stop here. This vision occurs on the 6th Seal. Who is the elder that represent this seal? Count it from the 1st Letter not including the 7th Letter up to this 6th Seal – it’s the 12th elder. Number 12 again in this Seal that’s full of 12’s.

Let’s study and find where the elder got what he had told to John in this verse:
(Rev 5:5 ESV) And one of the elders said to me, “Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals.”

Knowledge they learned from God and from the Lord Yeshua:
– “Root of David” – Rev 22:16

“Inherent” Knowledge:
– “Lion” – 6th Trumpet Rev 10:3
– “tribe of Judah” 6th Seal Rev 7:5
– “David” – 6th Letter Rev 3:7 and Rev 3:9

(Not the person David) Look at the other meaning of “David”:

Strong’s Hebrew Dictionary:
H1732
dâvid dâvîyd
daw-veed’, daw-veed’
From the same as H1730; loving; David, the youngest son of Jesse: – David.

BDB’s Hebrew Definitions:
H1732
dâvid / dâvîyd
David = “beloved
1) youngest son of Jesse and second king of Israel

Read a verse from the 6th Letter (Philadelphia):
(Rev 3:9 LITV) Behold, I give out of the synagogue of Satan those saying themselves to be Jews, and they are not, but they lie. Behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and they shall know that I loved you.

The definition of the word “Philadelphia”:
G5359
Philadelpheia
Thayer Definition:
Philadelphia = “brotherly love
1) a city of Lydia in Asia Minor, situated near the eastern base of of Mount Tmolus, founded and named by the Pergamene king, Attalus II Philadelphus. After the death of Attalus III Philometor, 133 BC, it together with his entire kingdom came by his will under the jurisdiction of the Romans.
Part of Speech: noun proper locative
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from Philadelphos (the same as G5361)

Let’s continue with what the elder has told to John in Rev 5:5.
– “has conquered” – 7th Letter Rev 3:21 and 1st Seal Rev 6:2
Should we include the “has conquered” in the 7th Letter? The 24 Elders don’t include the 7th parts of the L, S, T, LP. The “conquering” in the 1st Seal if included will make the Seals to have a double entry.

What about the things they have said in the 7th Trumpet?

(Rev 11:15 ESV) Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever.”
(Rev 11:16 ESV) And the twenty-four elders who sit on their thrones before God fell on their faces and worshiped God,
(Rev 11:17 ESV) saying, “We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty, who is and who was, for you have taken your great power and begun to reign.
(Rev 11:18 ESV) The nations raged, but your wrath came, and the time for the dead to be judged, and for rewarding your servants, the prophets and saints, and those who fear your name, both small and great, and for destroying the destroyers of the earth.”

The events that were said by the 24 Elders and by the loud voices in heaven are what comprise the 7th Trumpet. John did not see these events; he heard it from them, instead.

What about the “new song” which they sang together with the 4 Living Creatures and which only the 144,000 could learn?

(Rev 5:9 NIV) And they sang a new song: “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation.
(Rev 5:10 NIV) You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth.”

We already know that the 1st part of this song (the opening of Seals) has two applications, however its “origin” is not known to this article’s author. Maybe information like this falls under the attribute “crowns of gold” for the 24 Elders. The rest of the information on this song can be traced to John’s Letter to the 7 Churches in Asia:

(Rev 1:4 ISV) From John to the seven churches in Asia. May grace and peace be yours from the one who is, who was, and who is coming, from the seven spirits who are in front of his throne,
(Rev 1:5 ISV) and from Jesus Christ, the witness, the faithful one, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To the one who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood
(Rev 1:6 ISV) and has made us a kingdom, priests for his God and Father, be glory and power forever and ever! Amen.

If we will compare the rest of their song to the letter of John to the 7 Churches in Asia (the underlined ones) we will see that the 7 Churches represent the (people who were purchased by the blood of our Lord Yeshua from) “every tribe and language and people and nation” and vice versa. These (people from) “every tribe and language and people and nation” can be found on the 6th Seal (Rev 7:9) and on the 6th Trumpet (Rev 11:9). So, the multitude from “every tribe and language and people and nation” on the 6th Seal (Rev 7:9) are the 7 Churches who came out of the great tribulation. And on the 6th Trumpet, Rev 11:9 could be saying that members of the 7 Churches will gaze on the dead bodies of their brethren – the Two Witnesses – who are also God’s people and will refuse to bury them.

Visit the link below to understand this topic better. The reader needs to read the topics “The Divisions of Revelation”, “The Parallelism Between The Trumpets and The Last Plagues” and the “Parallelisms Based On The Creation Days” in the said article: Revelation and Its Mysteries

PRAISE AND GLORY BE TO GOD AND TO THE LORD YESHUA​
 

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Its very simple the 24 elders are the Raptured Church! plain and simple! How can I say this> you just have to read the bible! Read about the 5 crowns and rewards in Heaven, only the raptured church gets crowns not angles or anyone else! Enjoy
 

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That's why I just do not understand the people that say there is no rapture, the bible is full of verses that say there is a rapture of the church!Enjoy
 

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MrBebe said:
Who or what are these 4 Living Creatures and the 24 Elders? Their identities are a very very deep mystery of Revelation. One must go through the other mysteries of Revelation and of the Bible before he/she can reach the “place” of these two great groups of entities. Only God through our Lord Yeshua can unlock these other mysteries for us. Our Lord Yeshua, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and of knowledge, holds the key to these mysteries. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.
For this purpose you would be better served to read the following. To many cooks on this forum to really be of any use if you really don't understand Revelation.

http://www.challies.com/resources/best-commentaries-on-revelation

Hope this helps.
 

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The 4 Living Creatures : Ok You will need to study the attributes of them first to have understanding of them. They have something to do with night and day, the have something to do with food, Have you got yet. Isaiah 6 talks about it. Isaiah calls them Seraphims, Revelations calls them beast or living creatures

6 Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the
tongs from off the altar:

They have something to do with fire.

Ezekiel 1 and chapter 10 talks about them. must be at least 20 or more things that describe them.

a fire infolding itself, a sole of a calf, wings, Ezekiel calls them Cherbims.

I know you will not understand aleast I will try.

Isaiah 6
9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.
10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

The truth,

two stars two planets one planet with this star and one planet will that star. Both planets are habitable planets.

If you will only study.
 

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Moreover we see that the beast are around the Throne of God, Also the beast are full off eyes but what are these eyes.

6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.

Now because they have day and night they are below the Throne in another place. At the end of Revelation we learn that we have no need for the Sun any more once in the Kingdom. We also learn that the Churches are the eyes of Earth.

8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

So we see Christ being everywhere the Throne, the Four Beast, the Elders the Churches. All others being in other places.

6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

The writer is speaking to one of the Elders and the beasts say come and see and they are telling or rather showing him what will come to past. Who else should tell the story but the one it will happan to. Earth one of the Beast.

You know things I beleived long ago was not really so. I have so many cuts on my heart I wonder how it keeps running.
 

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This understanding changes nothing as of what God has done and Christ on the cross. For that is our hope and Crown of Life but many will fall away because they do not understand whats comming. God was God before Earth and will be forever. In Revelations God says give them white robes that die in Christ. That being said who is the white horse now if you say it is the antichrist then you call youself the devil because you have the crown of life with Christ and white is a good color moreover white horse is a pure breed. We live in a world where good is bad and bad is good know that it is satan that has deceived us. If you don't have the understanding of the four living creaters how can you understand seals, trumpets and bowls.
 

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Sorry that I started into the White Horse.

Back to the four beast:

As we all know that the sun controls or affects weather on earth. Things like earth quakes, volcanos, electrical grids, solar lights, magnetic fields and on. Not our star alone but if two stars are around more so the afect.

Revelation 15
7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.
8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.

Now read Revelation 16 note that this maynot be in the order that they appear.
 

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We must come to God as a child and humble ourself's for God won't give understanding to them that allready know. We must look at Christ personality traits on how His words are put together. We must put percept on precept just as He taught. The sun will get hotter day by day year by year as we see today. The sixes is the first to happen then get worst till 1 the 7 it is finished which is truely the last. The man of sin will be revealed during the 6th of the seal, trumpet, and bowls. The river drys up and world war begin's and satan will invade the earth because his planet has been destroyed. Thus 666 he will be revealed. Will make a peace treaty with earth governments. Knowingly he lead the governments wrong to begin with. Sorry I went off again.

I quess enought on this subject.
 

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Sorry it is not enough. The more I study the living creatures and the respect Christ has for a planet he made my heart fulls. Its was said a brused reed he would not break, and when Moses got water from the rock. Yea I repent and will be better at taking care of earth.

Christ said if He did not shorten the days all will be lost. What we see here is our day being 16 hours instead of 24. The earth will speed up

And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.
 

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You have said somethings about Revelation 7. These are them that made thru the Trib. here on Earth.

They have night and day. They are not Angels in heaven as of yet that come that we dont know. Unlike Revelations 22 which is above the stars.

Ezekiel 44
19 And when they go forth into the utter court, even into the utter court to the people, they shall put off their garments wherein they ministered, and lay them in the holy chambers, and they shall put on other garments; and they shall not sanctify the people with their garments.

Revelation 22
5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

He that sits on the throne will dwell with them not the other way around.

15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
 

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GINOLJC to all. as I was reading the post here, it's amazing in the responses. not saying any are right or wrong, but the Bible interprets itself if one let it. consider this,

THE FOUR JUDGMENTS OF GOD.

the four beast are revealed in the four horsemen. and the KJV got it right when it said, "BEASTS". scripture, Revelation 4:7 "And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle". now Ezekiel 1:10 "As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle".

we have heard a many interpretations over the years as to who these beasts are

The key to these four sore judgments/horseman is to keep one hand on Revelation chapter 6 and one hand on the book of Ezekiel chapter 14. understand, Ezekiel 14:21 "For thus saith the Lord GOD; How much more when I send my four sore judgments upon Jerusalem, the sword, and the famine, and the noisome beast, and the pestilence, to cut off from it man and beast?”. here we see four judgment, and in Revelation they are connect to the four beasts, (which identify the Judgments) and the four horseman (whoExecute these judgments). Here are the keys to Revelation 6 four horseman.
* without going into full detail we will give the basic meat for these 4 judgment

In Ezekiel 14:21 God give 4 judgments,
1.the sword,
2.the famine,
3.the noisome beast
4.the pestilence

In Revelation 6, John wrote of 4 horsemen, which clearly identifies with Ezekiel 14:21 Judgments. Let’s look at theses four Judgments/horsemen in a little detail. These first four judgments are directed at the church when the first four seals are open.
Revelation 6:1 "And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see".
One of the four beast that said come and see is the first horseman the noisome beast equivalent to the white horse rider, THE NOISOME BEAST, or the false messiah bring confusion, for noise produce confusion and with that fear. The hebrew word for “noisome” is H7451 רַע ra` (rah), which means, bad, or evil.
And it’s root word is H7489 רָעַע ra`a` (raw-ah') v.
1. (properly) to spoil.
2. (literally) to ruin by breaking to pieces.
3. (causative) to make good for nothing.
4. (figuratively) to be good for nothing.
5. (physically, socially or morally) to be bad.
To make it simple to understand this first rider is a false teacher/prophet/pastor/bishop, other words an anti Christ. 1 John 2:18 "Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time”.
and here he is, or may we say they
Revelation 6:2 "And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer"
This whiter rider is a fake imitator of the true Christ. He is a deceiver, and a robber, he’s the false messiah. Noise bring CONFUSION, (and there is a lot of confusion today in the churches). A warning to one church, (see Chapter 2 & 3), was the church in Thyatira who had a false prophetess. Revelation 2:20 "Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols”. false teaching in church leads to, and breeds confusion. Just look at some of the confusion today. many still don’t believe a woman can preach, teach, and or pastor. There are some who don’t believe in water baptism, nor believe in hell. And the list go on and on. Even the basic core doctrine. Some say the Lord Jesus is not God. but God is not the author of confusion. Scripture, 1 Corinthians 14:33 "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints”. our brother Jude calls these Noise makers brute beasts. Jude 1:10 & 11 "But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core”. again another warning to the churches, the love of money, the error of Balaam. Scripture, Revelation 2:14 "But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication”. this is what the white rider do, seduce you from Christ. Supportive scripture, Romans 16:17 & 18 "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple”. Ephesians 5:6 "Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience”. likewise our brother, the apostle Peter, speak the same. 2 Peter 2:10 "But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord. But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet. These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire”.

Now a breakdown of this rider, a. he have bow, this word bow is the Greek word, G5115 τόξον toxon (to'-xon) n.
a bow (apparently as the simplest fabric). notice what it said, "apparently as the simplest fabric". other words a cheap outfit or a fake invitations, of the real. Also this rider had a crown. It is the Greek word, G4735 στέφανος stephanos, not what our Lord and Saviour wear in chapter 19, which is G1238 διάδημα diadema, which means the kingly ornament for the head, the crown. and he, the Lord Jesus wore many. But this rider here in chapter 6 is carrying another gospel. Sound like the real gospel, but….. Galatians 1:6-8 "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed”. this rider make one loose their first Love.

Conclusion: many antichrist shall come
THE NOISOME BEAST: the first horseman, revealed by the first beast, the “face of the Lion”, the white rider. Ezekiel 14:15 "If I cause noisome beasts to pass through the land, and they spoil it, so that it be desolate, that no man may pass through because of the beasts: verse 16 "Though these three men were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither sons nor daughters; they only shall be delivered, but the land shall be desolate". the THEY spoil it is exactly what 1 John said, 1 John 2:18 "Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time”.
the white rider is a false messiah, the noisome beast, the Lion, a ROARING (noise) Lion seeking whom he may devour/conquer supporting scripture, 1 Peter 5:8 "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour”. this lion is in opposition to the true Lion, the Lord Jesus

so the THE NOISOME BEAST = the White rider, the face of the Lion

Next time, the Red rider.
 
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THE SWORD: the second horseman, revealed by the second beast, the “face of Calf/Oxen, the red rider.
Ezekiel 14:17 "Or if I bring a sword upon that land, and say, Sword, go through the land; so that I cut off man and beast from it: verse 18 "Though these three men were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither sons nor daughters, but they only shall be delivered themselves".

Revelation 6:3 "And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
Revelation 6:4 "And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.
The second horseman, the red horseman which is the Calf/Oxen symbolizing strength and POWER, the power of the tongue . Revelation 13:7 "And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations”. Red is a symbolic for blood, which is the result of killing. this rider is given a sword to fight against the saints, (false doctrine, and false teaching). This warfare against the church is not natural, or physical in nature. The power of the sword is in the strength of words. scripture, Ephesians 6:12 "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places”. and the power of the sword as state is in the mouth of the false Christ. Scripture, 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 "Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie”. Revelation 2:1 "Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; 2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars". those in leadership positions, not sent of God. the apostle Paul describe them to a tee, 2 Timothy 3:1-5 "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away".

Conclusion: THE SWORD: the second horseman = the “face of Calf/Oxen, the red rider
 

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THE FAMINE: the third horseman, revealed by the third beast, the “face of the man”, the black rider.
Ezekiel 14:12 "The word of the LORD came again to me, saying, verse 13 "Son of man, when the land sinneth against me by trespassing grievously, then will I stretch out mine hand upon it, and will break the staff of the bread thereof, and will send famine upon it, and will cut off man and beast from it: verse 14 "Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD.
Revelation 6:5 "And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
Revelation 6:6 "And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
The third rider is the black rider, the face of a man, the famine of Ezekiel 14. again for the church a famine of God word. Scripture, Amos 8:11 "Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD”. and this famine is another warning to the churches. Scripture, Revelation 3:17 "Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked”. one can be physically rich, and spiritually poor at the same time. And the one who causes the spiritual famine is the man of sin. This is the black rider, the face of a man. darkness or black/night symbolizes sin. It is the MAN of SIN in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 & 4. listen to the scriptures. "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; verse Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God”. this man of sin is any man who teaches opposite of Christ. Who will cause many to be starving for the word of God. again Amos 8:11 "Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD”. this third horseman is the man of sin (the FACE of a MAN) that starve the children of God for the word of God. The oil and wine is the stable diet of the children of God, that will not be hurt. The oil is the KNOWLEDGE of God, the wine is the word, or UNDERSTANDING of God, which the Holy Spirit giveth. this is the buying nor selling without money, scripture, Isaiah 55:1 "Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price". The knowledge and understanding of God will go forth in Spirit and in Truth. And David said, Psalms 37:25 "I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread". When one obey God word in Spirit and truth, God takes care of the both physically and Spiritually. example the widow woman of Zarephath, Let’s see the physical side, his bread and oil will not cease, or fail. supportive scripture, 1 Kings 17:8 "And the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, Arise, get thee to Zarephath, which belongeth to Zidon, and dwell there: behold, I have commanded a widow woman there to sustain thee. So he arose and went to Zarephath. And when he came to the gate of the city, behold, the widow woman was there gathering of sticks: and he called to her, and said, Fetch me, I pray thee, a little water in a vessel, that I may drink. And as she was going to fetch it, he called to her, and said, Bring me, I pray thee, a morsel of bread in thine hand. And she said, As the LORD thy God liveth, I have not a cake, but an handful of meal in a barrel, and a little oil in a cruse: and, behold, I am gathering two sticks, that I may go in and dress it for me and my son, that we may eat it, and die And Elijah said unto her, Fear not; go and do as thou hast said: but make me thereof a little cake first, and bring it unto me, and after make for thee and for thy son. For thus saith the LORD God of Israel, The barrel of meal shall not waste, neither shall the cruse of oil fail, until the day that the LORD sendeth rain upon the earth. And she went and did according to the saying of Elijah: and she, and he, and her house, did eat many days. And the barrel of meal wasted not, neither did the cruse of oil fail, according to the word of the LORD, which he spake by Elijah”.

Conclusion: God will sustain thee through any type of famine, Natural or Spiritual. This is called knowing the Lord in faith. Ask whatever you want and he will do it, or give it to you, but do it in faith. James 1:5 "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. 6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed".

So, another match in Ezekiel 14 with the Revelation rider, in correspondence to the four beasts. THE FAMINE: the third horseman the “face of the man”, the black rider.

next time the "pestilence" of Ezekiel 14, the fourth horseman, revealed by the fourth beast, the “Face of a flying Eagle
 

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THE PESTILENCE: the fourth horseman, revealed by the fourth beast, the “Face of a flying Eagle, the pale rider.
Ezekiel 14:19 "Or if I send a pestilence into that land, and pour out my fury upon it in blood, to cut off from it man and beast: verse 20 "Though Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall but deliver their own souls by their righteousness.
Revelation 6:7 "And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
Revelation 6:8 "And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

The fourth horseman, revealed by the fourth beast, the “Face of a flying Eagle, the pale rider, or as Ezekiel said, “I send a pestilence into that land, and pour out my fury upon it”. Fury comes quick, here the Lord, he’s not sending this judgment through the land but from above the land. Meaning this judgment is coming from heaven itself. as an eagle that fly high above, and swift in it judgment, Death, it comes slowly. pestilence translate from the Latin pestis which mean plague, signifies any kind of disease by which an extraordinary mortality is occasioned, and which appears from the circumstances of the case to come immediately from God. God will pour out his fury. sickness and disease, and a or several diseases can move swiftly through a population and make terrible devastation not only on a people, but a country, or nation. war is a good conduit of diseases. Matthew 24:6 "And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places". Deuteronomy 7:15 "And the LORD will take away from thee all sickness, and will put none of the evil diseases of Egypt, which thou knowest, upon thee; but will lay them upon all them that hate thee". 2 Chronicles 21:15 "And thou shalt have great sickness by disease of thy bowels, until thy bowels fall out by reason of the sickness day by day". with diseases and sickness, comes horrible death, Scripture, Revelation 9:6 "And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them”. Isaiah 2:19 "And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth”. this is what happens in the end, Revelation 6:15 "And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?”.

Conclusion: pestilence is none other than great sickness by disease, other words a plague. and a plague can be in a war, (to kill with sword), in famine (with hunger), and in sickness and diseases (swift death).

THE NOISOME BEAST = the first horseman, revealed by the first beast, the “face of the Lion", the White rider
THE SWORD = the second horseman, revealed by the second beast, the “face of the Calf/Oxen", the red rider.
THE FAMINE: the third horseman, revealed by the third beast, the “face of the man”, the black rider.
THE PESTILENCE: the fourth horseman, revealed by the fourth beast, the “Face of a flying Eagle", the pale rider.
 

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The Bible is often its own interpreter, as for example, "Gog of the land of Magog" at Ezekiel 38. Revelation 20 provides the answer in saying that "as soon as the thousand years have ended, Satan will be released from his prison, and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war".(Rev 20:7, 8)

Thus, Gog of Magog is not Satan as many proclaim but rather a coalition of nations (groups of peoples who try to reestablish the political "world" of individual nations that was wiped out at Armageddon, Rev 19:19-21) that Satan misleads into the final battle against Jehovah God. Or the "four living creatures" (not "beasts" as in KJV) found at Revelation 4.(note: the Greek word for "living creatures" is zoon meaning a "living thing", not therion that means "beasts" or a "dangerous animal")

At Ezekiel 10, it says that "the cherubs would rise - they were the same living creatures (Hebrew chay meaning "alive.....life (or living thing), whether literally or figuratively") that I had seen at the river Chebar".(Eze 10:15) Hence, the "four living creatures" are cherubs, angelic creatures of high rank that has special duties and are distinguished from the order of seraphs (see Isa 6:2) or angels in general.(the word angel has the basic meaning of "messenger")

At Revelation 6, it is felt that ' rider on the white horse' is " fake imitator of the true Christ", but the Bible does not concur. Rather, Revelation 19 provides who the ' rider on the white horse ' is, saying: "I saw heaven opened, and look ! a white horse. And the one seated on it is called Faithful and True (see Rev 3:14 whereby Jesus is called the "faithful and true witness"), and he judges and carries on war in righteousness. His eyes are a fiery flame (see Rev 1:13, 14 that is identified as Jesus), and on his head are many diadems.....and he is called by the name The Word of God".(Rev 19:11-13; see John 1:1)

Thence, the ' rider on the white horse ' at Revelation 6:1, 2, is none other than Jesus Christ who goes "out conquering and to complete his conquest" or "carries on war in righteousness". Upon being crowned king of God's Kingdom in 1914, he immediately took decisive action against Jehovah's foremost enemy, Satan the Devil and his demons.(Rev 12:7-9)

He conquers them by casting them out of heaven down to the vicinity of the earth, with these being imprisoned its boundary, never to leave again. But Jesus continues his "conquest" so that at the end of his millennial reign, Satan and his supporters, both those on the earth and in the spirit realm, will be forever annihilated.

Then, "the last enemy, death" (or Adamic death) will be eradicated forever also (1 Cor 15:26), so that the "meek" ones that Jesus spoke of at Matthew 5:5 to inherit the earth, will live a full satisfying life for all eternity on a paradise earth.(Rev 21:3-5)
 

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Go to the place in the Scriptures where our Savior was Nailed to the tree that He Created, and John I believe was there when He cried Out it is Finished,then John's narration go's to!!! the Vail was Rent from top to bottom, the Earth Quaked, the Rocks rent, and the Graves were Opened, and when HE arose They arose, and were seen by many in the City. Jesus was the First of the first-fruits, and those that He Resurrected, after Himself were the first-fruits of the Saints, who are the 24 Elders. these other creatures I will try to search out, I have no clue??