The Sin of the Consumption of Blood

christiang said:

Not being under the Law does not mean you are free to disobey the Law, hence why Paul elsewhere said, "do we nullify the Law by this faith? No, we uphold Law". What it means is that you are no longer under the slavery of sin whose power is the Law,

The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. (1 Corinthians 15:16 [NIV])

Because you have been freed from sin,

You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness. (Romans 6:18 [NIV])

And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules. (Ezekiel 36:27 [ESV])

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. (1 John 3:9 [KJV])

Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. (John 8:34-36 [NIV])

For by one offering he has perfected in perpetuity the ones having been sanctified. (Hebrews 10:14 [ABP])

Which is why when you come under the law of Christ, which means to come UNDER THE SPIRIT, AT THE BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, you are no longer under Law, because you have been freed from the sin that the Law reveals, which essentially means YOU WILL UPHOLD AND OBEY LAW THAT YOU YOURSELF WERE NOT ABLE TO OBEY NOT HAVING THE SPIRIT, because you are being caused to obey it by the holy spirit,

in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. (Romans 8:4 [NIV])

according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you. (1 Peter 1:2 [ESV])

So this where your disconnect is, you confuse not being under Law to mean you are now free to disobey the Law, when it is in fact quite the contrary, you must stop disobeying the Law so that you may receive the baptism of the holy spirit that will then rid you of your sinful nature that caused you to break it in the first place,

In Him you were also circumcised in the putting off of your sinful nature… (Colossians 2:11 [BSB])

No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God. (Romans 2:29 [NIV])

And spirit of the LORD shall spring upon you, and you shall prophesy with them, and you shall turn into another man. (1 Samuel 10:6 [ABP])

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You see - avoiding the verses I gave you.
Paul says he is not under the Law
Paul says the Gentiles were outside the Law.
Paul says we [Jews] are put to death to the Law
Paul says we [Jews] are released from the Law
The writer of Hebrews says the law has been abolished
The writer of Hebrews says their is a change in the law.

If you are just going to ignore what is said to you there is no point in continuing.

christiang said:

It did exist before Moses, hence,

Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
(Genesis 26:5 [KJV])

And even Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because they were "sinners" even before the Law was given to Moses,

Now the men of Sodom were wicked, great sinners against the LORD. (Genesis 13:13 [ESV])

Because the Law has existed from the beginning. What knowledge do you suppose the tree of knowledge of good and evil brought to man? KNOWLEDGE OF THE LAW, because it is the Law that brings knowledge of sin, which is KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL,

For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin. (Romans 3:20 [ESV])

What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin. For I would not have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” (Romans 7:7 [ESV])

if you know his will and approve of what is superior because you are instructed by the law; if you are convinced that you are a guide for the blind, a light for those who are in the dark, an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of little children, because you have in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth— (Romans 2:18-20 [NIV])

Yet even though it has existed from the beginning, the Law was given to Moses that God may raise up a holy nation that has this Law, to bear witness unto all nations what the commands of God are, hence why the Law came with powerful judgments and manifestations of power, that the entire world may be without excuse that this is indeed the Law of God.

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Here are some of the 613 Jewish Laws.
Did Abraham know all these?
Did the people of Sodom and Gomorrah know all these?
Are we supposed to keep them?

To sound the Ram's horn in the Sabbatical year (Lev. 25:9)

That every person shall write a scroll of the Torah for himself (Deut. 31:19)

To put tzitzit on the corners of clothing (Num. 15:38)

To affix the mezuzah to the doorposts and gates of your house (Deut. 6:9)

That a bridegroom shall be exempt for a whole year from taking part in any public labor, such as military service, guarding the wall and similar duties (Deut. 24:5)

Not to travel on Shabbat outside the limits of one's place of residence (Ex. 16:29)

To remove chametz on the Eve of Passover (Ex. 12:15)

To rest on the first day of Sukkot (Lev. 23:35)

To sound the Ram's horn in the Sabbatical year (Lev. 25:9)

Not to wear garments made of wool and linen mixed together (Deut. 22:11)

To redeem the firstling of an ass (Ex. 13:13; Ex. 34:20)

Not to tear the High Kohein's robe (Ex. 28:32)

Not to break a bone of the Paschal lamb (Ex. 12:46)

No, we are not grafted into Israel.
We are not Jews.
We do not belong to the Old (Sinai) Covenant.
We have a New Covenant with God in Jesus Christ.
Paul very specifically warns against Judaising.

christiang said:

I take it you never read this,

After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree! I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written: “The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. (Romans 11:24-26 [NIV])

The cultivated olive tree IS ISRAEL, which is why Paul says that a Jew is not one outwardly, but inwardly,

On the contrary, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is of the heart–by the Spirit, not the letter…(Romans 2:29 [HCSB])

Because all, whether formerly Jew or Gentile, WILL ALL BE CALLED ISRAEL AT THE COMING OF JESUS CHRIST, and this is precisely who the 144,000 of Revelation are, that receive the seal of the holy spirit for the day of redemption, which is on the 10th day of the seventh month after the Festival of Trumpets on whichever year Jesus Christ returns. I have a study on the 144,000 here The True Identity of the 144,000 of the Book of Revelation | Wisdom of God .

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But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, a wild olive shoot, were grafted in their place to share the richness of the olive tree, do not boast over the branches. If you do boast, remember it is not you that support the root, but the root that supports you.
You, oh person, have been deceived, which is why you discard the very Law of God to your own destruction!(Rom 11:17-18)
Gentiles are grafted onto the ROOTs to share the richness of the olive tree. We do not become the olive tree. We are not Jews. You are missing the whole point of Acts 15.

christiang said:

You, oh person, have been deceived, which is why you discard the very Law of God to your own destruction!

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I do not discard the Law of God. I reject that we are bound by Old Covenant Law when we have a New Covenant.
We do not belong to the Old (Sinai) Covenant.
We have a New Covenant with God in Jesus Christ.
Paul very specifically warns against Judaising.

I think people who say we must obey the Law of Moses don't realize there's over 600 commandments that need to be adhered to. Every single one must be followed to the letter. Stumble over one means you've stumbled over all.

Job said:

I think people who say we must obey the Law of Moses don't realize there's over 600 commandments that need to be adhered to. Every single one must be followed to the letter. Stumble over one means you've stumbled over all.

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Exactly.
It's trying to be justified by works of the law.
It's going back into bondage.

christiang said:

The wild branches are grafted INTO where the natural branches were removed, and are ALL supported by the roots, natural and wild. To become grafted into a tree is TO BECOME PART OF THE TREE. If you were to fall off the tree, you would die, and be good to be burned in the fire. Again, you are deceived, and obey a false Jesus that is not the one of the scriptures, because you teach disobedience to the commands of God. Anyone who teaches the Law is abolished will indeed be cursed. This is not Judaizing, for Judaizing involves teaching that circumcision or observance of festivals still applies, but not obeying the actual commands of God that are not shadows! This is why it is so difficult for you to accept a simple teaching concerning abstaining from blood, even thought it is a command that precludes Moses and is reiterated by the apostes, because you are "lawless"!

"Depart from me you workers of lawlessness!".

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You can believe that if you like.

I'll go with Paul:
"All things are lawful for me," but not all things are helpful. "All things are lawful for me," but I will not be enslaved by anything. (1Cor 6:12)

Eat whatever is sold in the meat market without raising any question on the ground of conscience. For "the earth is the Lords, and everything in it." If one of the unbelievers invites you to dinner and you are disposed to go, eat whatever is set before you without raising any question on the ground of conscience. (1Cor 10:25-27)

christiang said:

Is that really so many,

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Here is a list of the 613 commandments. Tell me honestly that you keep each and every one of them.

613 commandments - Wikipedia

christiang said:

You guys make it seem so impossible, so difficult, so out of reach, because you yourselves do not want to be obedient.

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While you're struggling to keep the 613 commandments, I have these to deal with.

Mark 12
30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ This is the first commandment.
31 And the second, like it, is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”


Two commandments vs 613................it doesn't take an Einstein. And it's what we're supposed to be doing anyway.

The simplicity of Christ is so misunderstood.
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christiang said:

Your statements are complete blasphemy, and this is precisely why many of you will be cast out on the day of judgment, because you are "lawless",

And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ (Matthew 7:23 [ESV])

Thinking that the Law is abolished, when even Jesus Christ himself said this,

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. (Matthew 5:17 [NIV])

For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:18 [NIV])

It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law. (Luke 16:17 [NIV])

And you foolishly confuse matters of the Law that are foreshadows, such as circumcision, festivals, foods, which are no longer observed in the new covenant, to mean that the entire law has been abolished, which you do to your own destruction. And you think that the favor that is given through Jesus Christ is a permissibility to break the Law, when it is in fact quite the contrary, that you may be forgiven of past sins so that you may then henceforth obey and fulfill the law at the baptism of the holy spirit which comes through belief in Jesus Christ.

And because of your confusion regarding the Law, even in such matters as simple as abstaining from blood, which is a command that has clearly existed even before the Law was given to Moses, which even the apostles forbade, you also readily discard abstaining from blood because of your own wickedness! And say, "...God will not care one iota if we have cooked our lamb with a bit of blood..."

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Really? I think you are spouting blasphemy. You don't get to decide who will be in Heaven. God does. As a reminder, you are not God.



Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning (James 1:17).


But, God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life (Romans 5:8-10).


And, this is the promise that He hath promised us, even eternal life (1 John 2:25).


And, for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance (Hebrews 9:15).


“Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that believeth on me hath everlasting life” (John 6:47).


“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life” (John 5:24).


“Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal” (Matthew 25:45-46).


That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life (John 3:15-16).


Then said Jesus unto the twelve, “Will ye also go away?” Then Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life” (John 6:67-68).


These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, “Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent” (John 17:1-3).


Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation m received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God (1 Peter 1:18-21).


I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be forever; nothing can be put to it, nor anything taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him. That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past (Ecclesiastes 3:14-15).


And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose (Romans 8:28).


“For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. How think ye? If a man have a hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? And, if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray. Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish” (Matthew 18:11-14).


“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And, I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. I and my Father are one” (John 10:27-30).


“And, this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day” (John 6:39).


“While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition [Judas]; that the scripture might be fulfilled” (John 17:12).

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not (1 John 5:18).


“But, if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you. When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace: But, when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils” (Luke 11:20-22).


Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that in you, than he that is in the world
(1 John 4:4).


There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it (1 Corinthians 10:13).



“For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect” (Matthew 24:24).



They went out from us, but they were not of us: for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us (1 John 2:19).


Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. I thank my God upon every remembrance of you, Always in every prayer of mine for you all making request with joy, For your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now; Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ (Philippians 1:2-6).



And, the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory forever and ever. Amen (2 Timothy 4:18).


Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, to the only wise God our Savior, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen (Jude 24-25).


The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD ; and he delighteth in his way. Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down: for the Lord upholdeth him with his hand. I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread. He is ever merciful, and lendeth; and his seed is blessed (Psalm 37:23-26).


And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it (1 Thessalonians 5:23-24).


“Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat; but I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not” (Luke 22:31).

I think it's time for a Big Mac and fries.

christiang said:

Because the Law is universal to everyone. Whether you are a Gentile or not, knowing a command like"you will not kill" is obvious to be a sin whether you have read the Law or not because the Law coincides with what is naturally good.

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Wrong again. The Bible say 'do not murder'.