What is Truth?

mjrhealth · Jun 18, 2017

skyangel said:
There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.
You point to a false Christ and worship an idol in the form of a man as you wait for his return to Earth.
The real Christ was and is and always will be on Earth in the flesh at all times. He has no need to return to a place when he is already there.

No he is here in teh spirit, have you not read,

Mar 13:21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:
Mar 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
Mar 13:23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.

skyangel said:
There is no sin in denying a false Christ.
I do not deny the REAL CHRIST who is not a man neither the son of man but is a SPIRIT, an anointing, and always will be manifest in the flesh on Earth at all times yesterday today and forever. Those who are blind and of the world will never see it.
YHWH is the only saviour. YHWH is a SPIRIT. (John 4:24)
Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

But you did, because you deny He died a perfect man without sin, so teh Jesus you worship is not teh one that saves, not teh one in the salvation story and not teh one I know. Jesus, who is the word of God that came in the flesh to walk upon this earth as a man to die a perfect sacrifice for all men, teh sacrificial lamb spotless without blemish, without this part of teh story you simply condemn your self. Without teh sacrifice tehre is no redempiton for it was by Him that teh price for our sins was paid.

Again have you not read

Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

God Bless

Helen · Jun 18, 2017

Skyangel said:-
"An immature seed is as perfect as a mature seed. It makes no difference at what stage of life the seed happens to be, it is perfect , whole, complete, at every single stage of its life as long as it lives and continues to bear fruit. Dead seeds cannot bear fruit. "

Sorry, that doesn't even make sense. I think that sometimes you talk just for the sake of talking!!
A four year old boy is " a man in the making" ( just as the Christian is) The boy is NOT a mature man...he cannot beget seed after his own kind. His seed is within him, but is in no way mature yet. The potential is there, but he is NOT there.
You may believe that you are already "the whole ball of wax" but actually you are not. You are free to believe that the moon is cream cheese, but it does not make it so.
Continue on in your own delusion of grandeur. ...but for us who have "tasted and found that He is good"...we feel very sorry for you. How can we not.

Just saying....

skyangel · Jun 18, 2017

mjrhealth said:
No he is here in teh spirit, have you not read,

Mar 13:21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:
Mar 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
Mar 13:23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.

Do you think that Spirit is somehow separated from the flesh in which it constantly manifests itself?
Since the Spirit of Christ is already on Earth in the flesh, why are you waiting for another Christ to return to Earth one day?
You believers are the ones who have been fooled into worshipping a man and waiting for that man to arrive on Earth one day instead of worshipping God in Spirit and TRUTH. The true Spirit of Christ is always on Earth in the flesh and always was yesterday Today and forever.
Have you not read that Jesus Christ is the SAME yesterday Today and forever? Heb 13:8
If you do not believe Christ is the same today in the flesh on Earth as he was in the past, you have been deceived and led astray by false doctrines.

So tell me what do you believe of the following.....
Christ was on Earth in the flesh in the past... Yes or No?
Christ IS on Earth in the flesh today...... Yes or No?
Christ will be on Earth in the flesh tomorrow?.....Yes or No?
Christ is on Earth in the flesh Today the same as he was yesterday and will be tomorrow? Yes or No?

1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

"IS COME" is present tense and always remains present tense. It refers to right NOW at all times yesterday Today and forever.

So tell me, Do you believe Christ IS COME in the flesh on Earth TODAY ?

skyangel · Jun 18, 2017

"ByGrace" said:
Skyangel said:-
"An immature seed is as perfect as a mature seed. It makes no difference at what stage of life the seed happens to be, it is perfect , whole, complete, at every single stage of its life as long as it lives and continues to bear fruit. Dead seeds cannot bear fruit. "

Sorry, that doesn't even make sense. I think that sometimes you talk just for the sake of talking!!
A four year old boy is " a man in the making" ( just as the Christian is) The boy is NOT a mature man...he cannot beget seed after his own kind. His seed is within him, but is in no way mature yet. The potential is there, but he is NOT there.
You may believe that you are already "the whole ball of wax" but actually you are not. You are free to believe that the moon is cream cheese, but it does not make it so.
Continue on in your own delusion of grandeur. ...but for us who have "tasted and found that He is good"...we feel very sorry for you. How can we not.
Just saying....

A baby is a perfect baby at its stage in life. It is not expected to do what a toddler can do due to not having the physical or mental abilities of a toddler. The fruit which the baby bears are the fruits of growth as it changes into a toddler.
A toddler is a perfect toddler and as mature as it can possibly be at its stage of life. It is not expected to do what an older child can do due to its immaturity. The fruit which the toddler bears are the fruits of growth as it changes into an older more mature child.
The same principle continues through teenage years, young adulthood, adulthood and old age all the way to death. At the stage of adulthood, some adults reproduce after their own kind and some do not. However, whether they reproduce and beget physical children makes no difference to the fruits of maturity in their own lives. Some end up more mature than others but all end up as mature as they are able to be or as mature as they want to be.

In a spiritual sense the fruits are not children but the fruit of the Spirit is Love, Joy, Peace, longsuffering, etc....( Gal 5:22-25 )
Those who continue to live in the flesh are spiritually dead and have the following fruits.... Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, etc (Gal 5:19:21)

Perfection is simply about being COMPLETE and WHOLE at any stage of Life. A baby does not need to wait till its a mature adult in order to be perfect. It is already perfect at what ever stage of life it is at.

Spiritual perfection is about being spiritually WHOLE and COMPLETE in LIFE. It is about having that inner peace which the world cannot give. It is about having a clear conscience. It is about being ONE with TRUTH. It is about having "seen the Light" and no longer being in darkness. It is about being raised from the spiritually dead state into spiritual Life.
Christ (the LIGHT) IS "that which is perfect" and when " that which is perfect" comes into your heart, that which is "in part" or "incomplete" passes away and is instantly made complete and perfect. It is the same as when LIGHT arrives, it instantly changes all darkness or "partial light" or "dim light" into LIGHT and the darkness passes away immediately not many years later. It is not a long slow process. It happens in the twinkling of an eye. (1 Cor 15:52) When spiritually dead people receive the reveleation of TRUTH and see the LIGHT, they are instantly transformed from darkness to Light, instantly transformed from death to Life. It does not take a lifetime of "struggling to be like Christ" as you wallow in your weaknesses and continue to confess how imperfect you are.

1 Cor 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

Col 2:9-10 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

IF you have not been made WHOLE, COMPLETE or PERFECT in Christ, you need to repent and stop following a false Christ who never made you perfect and never gave you the power to be perfect as the Father is perfect.
IF you have the LIGHT in you, then there can no longer be any darkness in you because the nature of LIGHT is to IMMEDIATELY dispel all darkness.
IF you claim to have LIGHT within yet still see darkness in yourself and believe you are still full of sin, then the LIGHT in you is darkness and has fooled you into following a false Christ.

Helen · Jun 18, 2017

If you say so!!!
You obviously see no flaws in yourself O exalted one....I have met many of your ilk before...I am so glad for you that you have reached perfection before everyone else. Keep on going

skyangel · Jun 18, 2017

"ByGrace" said:
If you say so!!!
You obviously see no flaws in yourself O exalted one....I have met many of your ilk before...I am so glad for you that you have reached perfection before everyone else. Keep on going

There are bible characters who were perfect.
They also obviously reached perfection before you so don't let it bother you too much that some are already perfect and others are not.
Gen 6:9 Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations
Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
2 Ch 15:17 But the high places were not taken away out of Israel: nevertheless the heart of Asa was perfect all his days.
Psalm 37:37 Mark the perfect man, and behold the upright: for the end of that man is peace.

I am ONE with that which is Perfect. I live in Perfect peace at all times.
I have been made whole.
Each person finds "that which is perfect" at different times just like each person matures at different times.
If you have not yet found perfection, wholeness or oneness with "that which is Perfect" ( LIGHT, TRUTH, LIFE, CHRIST ), I encourage you to keep seeking. ( Rom 5:19)

When the bible says there are none righteous, no not one (Rom 3:10) it is referring to ALL who still live under sin (Rom3:9) not to the righteous who abide in the LIGHT of TRUTH.
Christians falsely interpret Rom3:10 to mean that not a single person on Earth is perfect or righteous regardless of whether they have been made righteous through Christ or not.
IF it was referring to everyone regardless of their walk in the Light or darkness, then the bible is lying when it calls anyone righteous or perfect.
Gen 7:1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
Study the scriptures and take notice of how many times "the righteous" are referenced.
You are either righteous or you are not. Judge yourself. There is no half righteous or half unrighteous state.
Job 34:5 For Job hath said, I am righteous:

Psalm 1:6 For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

Rom 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

By whose obedience were many made righteous?
When were they made righteous?
When was Job made righteous?
When was Noah made righteous?

Are you righteous or unrighteous? Judge yourself and answer to God. If you are unrighteous you obviously need to repent of your unrighteousness.

mjrhealth · Jun 19, 2017

skyangel said:
So tell me what do you believe of the following.....
Christ was on Earth in the flesh in the past... Yes or No?
Christ IS on Earth in the flesh today...... Yes or No?
Christ will be on Earth in the flesh tomorrow?.....Yes or No?
Christ is on Earth in the flesh Today the same as he was yesterday and will be tomorrow? Yes or No?

I will tell you what I KNOW
JEsus came , te hword of God in teh flesh, sinless blameless, became sin, and died paying the price for us.
Christ is not on teh eath today in teh flesh, it is by the spirirt we know Him. Please show me a Jesus that walks in teh flesh today, just one, teh real one not a fake majician one that you so often speak of,
Christ will be on Earth in the flesh tomorrow?.....Yes or No? No idea that part I stil ldont undersatnd, one day I will.
Christ is on Earth in the flesh Today the same as he was yesterday and will be tomorrow? Nope this is a definite no. Of that i am fully assured.

re quoting

mjrhealth said:
Mar 13:21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:
Mar 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
Mar 13:23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.

bbyrd009 · Jun 19, 2017

mjrhealth said:
Christ is on Earth in the flesh Today the same as he was yesterday and will be tomorrow? Nope this is a definite no. Of that i am fully assured.

Are you not the Body of Christ?

skyangel · Jun 19, 2017

mjrhealth said:
I will tell you what I KNOW
JEsus came , te hword of God in teh flesh, sinless blameless, became sin, and died paying the price for us.
Christ is not on teh eath today in teh flesh, it is by the spirirt we know Him. Please show me a Jesus that walks in teh flesh today, just one, teh real one not a fake majician one that you so often speak of,
Christ will be on Earth in the flesh tomorrow?.....Yes or No? No idea that part I stil ldont undersatnd, one day I will.
Christ is on Earth in the flesh Today the same as he was yesterday and will be tomorrow? Nope this is a definite no. Of that i am fully assured.

re quoting

Your own confession makes you antichrist. It shows that you are blind and cannot see. It shows you deny scripture.

1John 4:2-3 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

The REAL Christ was and IS and always will be on Earth in the flesh every day, Yesterday Today and tomorrow because Jesus Christ WAS and IS and always will be the SAME yesterday Today and Tomorrow. Heb 13:8

You want to see Jesus( YHWH is salvation) who walks on Earth in the flesh Today?
Go outside and take a good look at LIFE and then OPEN the eyes of your understanding and SEE the Spirit of Life on Earth in the flesh.
What you see is God in the flesh on Earth. God(The Spirit of LIFE, The TRUTH) has never been and will never be confined to only one person or one form of life on Earth. The Spirit of Life, the TRUTH, the WORD has always been on Earth in the flesh in the eternal past, the eternal present and will remain that way for the eternal future BECAUSE he is the SAME yesterday Today and forever.
Whatever you say and do to any form of Life, you say and do it to God. Matt 25:31-46

skyangel · Jun 19, 2017

mjrhealth said:
Mar 13:21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:

Consider the above scripture in the light of Jesus Christ being the same Yesterday Today and Forever. Heb 13:8
Think about before the story of Jesus birth.... If anyone had said Christ is here or there, in any specific location on Earth, would anyone have believed them? My answer is NO. Why? Because Christ is a Spirit and is never confined to a single location or to a single individual on Earth but is always Everywhere in heaven and Earth.
The same principle applies yesterday, today and to all days in the Future.
If anyone says Christ is in a specific location on Earth or was or will be in a specific location on Earth at any time in future, they are not speaking the Truth even if they themselves believe they are. If they sincerely believe that Christ will be returning to Earth one day and be in a specific location where people might be able to visit him, they are self deceived. We are not to believe them.
Now apply the exact same principle to the time the Jesus Character is claimed to be on Earth in the story. If anyone had claimed Christ is "here" or "there" at that time who would have believed them? The only people who would have believed them would have been those who were convinced that Christ was confined to one individual on Earth and those people would have been led astray to worship and idolise a person instead of worshipping "God" in Spirit and in TRUTH. Scripture says not to place your trust in the son of man because there is no help in him.
Psalm 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.

lforrest · Jun 19, 2017

skyangel said:
Your own confession makes you antichrist. It shows that you are blind and cannot see. It shows you deny scripture.

1John 4:2-3 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

The REAL Christ was and IS and always will be on Earth in the flesh every day, Yesterday Today and tomorrow because Jesus Christ WAS and IS and always will be the SAME yesterday Today and Tomorrow. Heb 13:8

Why do you choose the KJV translation of 1John 4:2-3? Does that make it easier to equivocate?
Modern translations use has, instead of is. Though I disagree with the modern interpretation it is for entirely different reasons than you do.

skyangel · Jun 19, 2017

lforrest said:
Why do you choose the KJV translation of 1John 4:2-3? Does that make it easier to equivocate?
Modern translations use has, instead of is. Though I disagree with the modern interpretation it is for entirely different reasons than you do.

I use KJV because it is my favourite version and the one that I believe to be the closest translation to the original Hebrew and Greek texts.
Whether you use "has" or "is" makes little difference since "has come" is still present tense. "Came" is past tense and "will come" is future tense.
If we understand the principle of the Lord being the same in the past present and future and being that which WAS (past) and IS (present) and IS TO COME (future) at all times for all eternity, we do not wait for the thing that WAS on Earth in the flesh to arrive at some unknown time in future when we understand it IS still on Earth in the flesh TODAY.
That would be as silly and foolish as waiting for the LIGHT to arrive on Earth at some unknown time in future when you know the LIGHT WAS and IS and always will be on Earth at all times whether you can see it or not. Only the blind and those who sit in darkness cannot see the physical LIGHT on Earth. Those who have "eyes to see" know the physical LIGHT always physically be on Earth whether they see it with their physical eyes or not.

mjrhealth · Jun 20, 2017

skyangel said:
Think about before the story of Jesus birth.... If anyone had said Christ is here or there, in any specific location on Earth, would anyone have believed them? My answer is NO.

Wel lSaul sent His soldgiers to murder all the children under 2 was it, so he certainly beleived it, than theer was the kings who followed the star to see our saviour. Than of course the pharisees who dispised Him because He came to show the people a different way that excluded them and teh ywhere more concerned with position than salvation, but I guess you dont need JEsus to die for you as you are worthy to pay teh price yourself. Sorry wont happen, all you get is death.

OzSpen · Jun 20, 2017

VictoryinJesus said:
What is Truth?

The pit of my stomach is sour from all the hypocrisy and false doctrines circulating. I can take disappointment. I can take rejection. I can take the approach of death(sleep) of this physical body. None of it causes me to blame God. But if I have one quarrel with God, and I have quarreled with Him over it… it would be that there are countless interpretations of His word, yet God promised the church the Spirit of Truth? I come here to this blog, which is a fish bowl compared to the vastness of the world, and everyone has a different truth including myself. Any unbeliever would surely come here and be overwhelmed by countless variations of the gospel and assured by each one of us…I know God and have the truth. Which gospel do you think they will prefer? Then the storm will come and they will get to see what their foundation is really made of. I put this post under ethics & morality forum because if we sell people lies, then it is an ethics and morality topic.

Gods word tells us a house divided will not stand.

We are in a spiritual war. I am sorry but it is not:

I want to be rich… for Christs sake.

I want to flourish and prosper and walk in bliss… for Christs sake.

It is: Persecution and suffering…for Christs sake.

I am told, “you are not a mature Christian yet. You just haven’t discovered all Gods promises.” Yes. I have. I am fully aware of all of Gods promises. They are beautiful and wonderful but taken out of context and twisted and abused. Does God heal? Absolutely. without a doubt. To further the gospel and His plan: For Gods plan and progression. Not for the flesh's sake. I am not questioning God's power. I am questioning peoples motives.

I have a friend that sets up a booth in Wal-Mart parking lot advertising: HEALINGS. I have done been there and done that, trying to gain the worlds sight and approval. I was so convinced I had the gift of healings. I could lay my hand on my body and the flesh and muscle would respond, vibrating underneath my hand. Until God revealed what I was promoting. Self. Plain and simple. Look at the stadiums this gospel message packs and it is a wonder that there is a single person left in this entire world in need of healing. I mean, if all those people are then going out and laying hands on people? It is a show and it is nauseating. It tickles peoples’ ears and tells them exactly what they want to hear which is why the stadiums are packed. It is a worldly gospel. Anchored in the world, not the spiritual.

“This is your best life now.” No, it is not. The best is yet to come! I would rather not get too comfortable here. So, I apologize to God for the way that I am and for this pain in my gut over craving real truth. God confirms: The truth is worth agonizing over.

Why so many gospels?

A person either reads God’s word through fleshly eyes, or through spiritual eyes. There is a ton of misinterpretations through the flesh because the flesh only hears and comprehends what it wants to be so, to promote flesh.

Where is truth?

Truth is without the gate. Truth is with the lowly in heart and with the meek.

(Matthew 11: 29) “Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.”

Matthew 5 says, "And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.”

(Hebrews 13:13) “Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.”

Some will say: that gospel is depressing. No, it is not depressing. Not at all. There is great comfort and hope in the gospel of grace.

(Hebrews 13: 14) “For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.”

(1 John 2:17) “And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.”

Please define for me the meaning of truth.

skyangel · Jun 20, 2017

mjrhealth said:
Wel lSaul sent His soldgiers to murder all the children under 2 was it, so he certainly beleived it, than theer was the kings who followed the star to see our saviour. Than of course the pharisees who dispised Him because He came to show the people a different way that excluded them and teh ywhere more concerned with position than salvation, but I guess you dont need Jesus to die for you as you are worthy to pay teh price yourself. Sorry wont happen, all you get is death.

It was not Saul in the story who sent soldiers to kill anyone. It was Herod.
No literal stars in the sky move around to "lead people" anyplace and they definitely do not literally stop over residences or shine on them like some light beam from a lighthouse to separate one residence from other. The wise men came FROM the East to Jerusalem (Matt 2:1-2) Therefore the the first direction they would have travelled would have been West not East. You cannot follow a "star" from the East to the West unless you call the sun a "star" and try chasing it around the world. Bethlehem is also South of Jerusalem and no Star in the East will lead anyone South either. A star in the East can only help people go East. Therefore to end up in Bethlehem from Jerusalem the characters were following the prophecy not a literal star.(Matt 2:5-6)
Therefore the "star" in the story must obviously be a symbolic star and not a literal star. The only literal "star" or light in the sky which could possibly lead people from East to West would be the sun.
Regarding that "star" or "Light" or sun which shines from the East to the West, see Matt 24:27.
Then understand that our physical sun on Earth which shines from East to West is spiritually symbolic of the return of the Son of man. Think about how often the Light from the East returns and shines to the West. Is it only once in a lifetime? Is it only once in many centuries? Do people sit in darkness all their lives waiting for the physical LIGHT to arrive from the East? If not, why do they sit in spiritual darkness all their lives waiting for the spiritual light to arrive on Earth?
I am the Light of the world. I have come to give you Light which will show you the WAY out of false doctrines. Are you more concerned with waiting for some idol to arrive on Earth in future than you are with actually being the Light of the world in the flesh on Earth today?

mjrhealth · Jun 21, 2017

skyangel said:
I am the Light of the world. I have come to give you Light which will show you the WAY out of false doctrines. Are you more concerned with waiting for some idol to arrive on Earth in future than you are with actually being the Light of the world in the flesh on Earth today?

Jesus is no idol, why do you think He is?, I met Him in te hSpirirt, i have kenlt with Him at teh cross, He was teh one that told me that He died , for me. He is no majician, He is no figment of my imagination, without Him teher is no salvation, no paymenyt nor salvation, You are on your own.

skyangel said:
It was not Saul i

Se im not prfect...

bbyrd009 · Jun 21, 2017

skyangel said:
Job 34:5 For Job hath said, I am righteous:

it should be noted that "righteous" does not mean "sinless," we can read Job's confession, etc.

bbyrd009 · Jun 21, 2017

OzSpen said:
Please define for me the meaning of truth.

lol

OzSpen · Jun 21, 2017

bbyrd009 said:
lol

Mine was a serious question. What's the meaning of aletheia?

Take a read of the Oxford dictionary's definition (2017. s v truth).

bbyrd009 · Jun 21, 2017

OzSpen said:
Mine was a serious question. What's the meaning of aletheia?

Take a read of the Oxford dictionary's definition (2017. s v truth).

"truth" implies knowledge, but we see only darkly--so it just struck me funny, like asking a blind guy what he thinks of blue or something, to my mind.

What is Truth?

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