Rules Governing The Gift Of Learning

Webers_Home · Jun 23, 2017

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First off, it needs to be pointed out that the three-pound lump of flabby
organic tissue housed within people's bony little skulls sufficing for a mind
isn't expansive enough to relate to God on a meaningful level.

● 1Cor 2:11 . . No one can know what anyone else is really thinking except
that person alone, and no one can know God's thoughts except God's own
spirit.

● 1Cor 2:14-15 . . A natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of
God; for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them,
because they are spiritually appraised.

So then, seeing as how nature's human mind is too limited to relate to God
on a meaningful level, then we must conclude that it either needs to be
replaced by an upgrade or, at the very least, enhanced by a divine add-on of
some sort in order to make it possible to teach people things that God would
like to share but can't because of flabby organic tissue's inability to get His
drift.

● 1Cor 2:16 . .We have the mind of Christ.

The mind of Christ is the mind of God; so that people within whom is God's
spirit, have quite an advantage over John Q and Jane Doe pew warmer.

● 1Cor 2:10-14 . .The Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. For
who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man,
which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit
of God.

. . . Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is
from God, that we might know the things freely given to us by God, which
things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those
taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.

There is a downside to this. If people deprived of God's spirit do not accept
the things of the Spirit of God because they seem ridiculous and make no
sense; then they will react the very same way towards those of us whose
thinking is in line with the mind of Christ.

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Job · Jun 23, 2017

I didn't know there was a gift of learning. I always went straight to God. So when He started providing the answers, I figured that was the way to go.

Good study.

bbyrd009 · Jun 23, 2017

Webers_Home said:
those of us whose
thinking is in line with the mind of Christ.

hmm.

loved every other line but this last one lol

bbyrd009 · Jun 23, 2017

it's just that i can hear the identification process already starting

Webers_Home · Jun 24, 2017

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● Eph 1:15-17 . . Having heard of the faith in the Lord Jesus which exists
among you, and your love for all the saints, I do not cease giving thanks for
you, while making mention of you in my prayers; that the God of our Lord
Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and of
revelation in the knowledge of Him.

Paul's prayer spoke of knowledge as separate from wisdom and revelation.
In other words; it's possible for somebody to graduate from a theological
seminary knowing the whole Bible from cover to cover while at the same
time not knowing how Christ would interpret it and/or apply it.

In 1Cor 2:10-14 Paul spoke of combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual
words. Well there are spiritual words aplenty in Bibles; which are readily
available on the cheap from thrift stores; but the spiritual thoughts to go
with those spiritual words are not so easily obtained because they're tucked
away in the mind of Christ.

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Webers_Home · Jun 25, 2017

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● Eph 5:17 . . Do not be uninformed, but understand what the Lord's will is.

In other words: Christians are not supposed to fly by the seat of their pants,
but rather, fly by instruments: viz: fly intelligently; which, so to speak,
would entail formularizing one's self with an aircraft before taking it up.

Moses told Yhvh's people that there is no need to go on a special "golden
fleece" quest to discover what the Lord's will is; either out in space nor
across the ocean in a foreign land. No, the Lord's will is easily accessible
between the covers of even the cheapest second-hand Bible on the shelves
of a thrift store.

However; no Bible-- no matter how cheap, nor how expensive, nor what
version-- is of any real use if it's not studied. But even systematic Bible
study is quite thwarted when the information isn't retained.

● Jas 1:22-25 . . Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive
yourselves. Do what it says. Anyone who listens to the word but does not do
what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror and, after looking
at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. But the
man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and
continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it-- he will
be blessed in what he does.

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Webers_Home · Jun 26, 2017

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I've attended a number of Sunday school classes wherein people constantly
argue with the teacher. That's not the appropriate attitude.

● Jas 1:21 . . Humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you.

The saving in James' verse has nothing to do with either heaven or hell. The
Greek word is sozo (sode'-zo) which not only means to save, but also to
protect.

One of the very reasons Christ gives for providing his body with teachers is
to protect it from disunity, from malnourishment, and from sophistry,
double-speak, and smooth talkers.

● Eph 4:10-14 . . He gave some as teachers, for the building up of the body
of Christ; until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of
the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which
belongs to the fulness of Christ. As a result, we are no longer to be children,
tossed here and there by waves, and carried about by every wind of
doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming

It's not only arrogant to argue with the teacher, but it's also disruptive,
confusing, and harmful to others who are there to learn. People who
sincerely believe themselves on a mission from God to correct a Sunday
school teacher's mistakes really ought to leave and set up classes of their
own seeing as how they seem unable to control the impulse to talk instead
of listen.

● Jas 1:19-20 . . My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be
quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry; for man's anger
does not bring about the righteous life that God desires.

● 1Cor 16:15 . . Let all that you do be done in love.

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Job · Jun 26, 2017

Webers_Home said:
It's not only arrogant to argue with the teacher, but it's also disruptive,
confusing, and harmful to others who are there to learn. People who
sincerely believe themselves on a mission from God to correct a Sunday
school teacher's mistakes really ought to leave and set up classes of their
own seeing as how they seem unable to control the impulse to talk instead
of listen.

A teacher who won't take the time to address the concerns of a student isn't a teacher.

Webers_Home · Jun 27, 2017

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● 1Pet 1:23-2:2 . .You have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of
imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. Therefore, rid
yourselves of all malice and all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and slander of every
kind. Like newborn babies, crave pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may
grow up in your salvation.

If there is a pure spiritual milk, then there's also an impure spiritual milk;
which herein is described as malice, deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and slander of
every kind, i.e. impure spiritual milk will assist your growth in worldliness,
but not at all in God-likeness.

NOTE: The command is to grow up in your salvation rather than grow up to
obtain salvation. I mean, human babies don't grow up to be humans; not
when they're born humans right from the start. Babies grow up to be
mature; which is exactly what the passage above, and the one below, is
talking about.

● Php 2:12-13 . . My dear friends, as you have always obeyed-- not only in
my presence, but now much more in my absence --continue to work out
your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will
and to act according to his good purpose.

Growing up in one's salvation-- a.k.a. working out your salvation --entails
the practice of kindness instead of malice, honesty instead of deceit,
integrity instead of hypocrisy, applause instead of envy, and tact instead of
slander.

In order for God to work in people to will and to act according to His good
purpose, they simply have to take the initiative to give Him something to
work with.

● Rom 12:1-2 . . Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by
the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what the will of God is, that
which is good and acceptable and perfect.

Renewing one's mind means giving one's mind some new things to think
about. What better source of new thoughts for God to work with than the
Bible?

● 2Tim 3:16-17 . . All scripture is inspired by God, and is useful to teach us
what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It straightens
us out and teaches us to do what is right. It is God's way of preparing us in
every way, fully equipped for every good thing God wants us to do.

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Webers_Home · Jun 28, 2017

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● 2Tim 2:15 . . Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker
who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Some folks construe rightly dividing the word of truth as instructions to keep
the Old Testament completely separate from the New. But that's not even
close to what Paul is instructing.

Paul was a blue collar tradesman: he fabricated portable shelters for a living
(Acts 18:3). The koiné Greek word for "rightly dividing" is orthotomeo (or
thot-om-eh'-o) which means: to make a straight cut-- as opposed to a
crooked cut --or a cut that misses the line and yields a piece of material
that's either too long, too short, or the wrong contour; thus resulting in a
tent whose pieces won't join properly when it comes time to sew them
together. The results? A distorted tent and a black mark for the craftsman.

The intent is not one of severing the Bible in half and treating each as a
separate book; but to be accurate in the whole's interpretations and
applications so that it all fits together perfectly from first to last, like a well
made armoire instead of a hastily constructed rabbit hutch.

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twinc · Jun 28, 2017

the problem/s of the centuries is caused by the misunderstandin/misinterpretation between brain and mind - it goes unnoticed that God does not seem to have a brain but He is MIND - When it is stated that heart speaks to Heart what is really meant is mind speaks to MIND and is spoken to by MIND for where your heart is is where your mind is - twinc

Webers_Home · Jun 30, 2017

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● Rom 15:4 . .Whatever was written in earlier times was written for our
instruction, that through perseverance, and the encouragement of the
scriptures we might have hope.

The koiné Greek word for "hope" in that passage is elpis (el pece') which
means to anticipate (usually with pleasure) and to expect with confidence.
Note the elements of anticipation, and expectation, and confidence.

Webster's definition of hope as a verb is very similar: 1) to desire with
expectation of obtainment, and 2) to expect with confidence and trust. Note
the elements of expectation, and confidence, and trust.

Webster's definition of hope as a noun is: 1) a desire accompanied by
expectation of, or belief in, fulfillment, and 2) expectation of fulfillment or
success. Note the elements of expectation, and belief.

In other words: elpis hope is a know-so hope rather than a cross your
fingers hope.

Rom 15:4 is saying that the Old Testament is useful for enlightening
people's expectations, i.e. real things to look forward to. When people pass
on without knowing anything about who, or what, is waiting for them on the
other side; they tend to be a bit nervous about dying.

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twinc · Jun 30, 2017

Webers_Home said:
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● Rom 15:4 . .Whatever was written in earlier times was written for our
instruction, that through perseverance, and the encouragement of the
scriptures we might have hope.

The koiné Greek word for "hope" in that passage is elpis (el pece') which
means to anticipate (usually with pleasure) and to expect with confidence.
Note the elements of anticipation, and expectation, and confidence.

Webster's definition of hope as a verb is very similar: 1) to desire with
expectation of obtainment, and 2) to expect with confidence and trust. Note
the elements of expectation, and confidence, and trust.

Webster's definition of hope as a noun is: 1) a desire accompanied by
expectation of, or belief in, fulfillment, and 2) expectation of fulfillment or
success. Note the elements of expectation, and belief.

In other words: elpis hope is a know-so hope rather than a cross your
fingers hope.

Rom 15:4 is saying that the Old Testament is useful for enlightening
people's expectations, i.e. real things to look forward to. When people pass
on without knowing anything about who, or what, is waiting for them on the
other side; they tend to be a bit nervous about dying.

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imho - it appears most are not so nervous since they do not really realise what is waiting for them on the other side leading off the broad road and unforgiveable sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit etc - twinc

Webers_Home · Jul 3, 2017

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● Deut 29:2-5 . . Moses summoned all the Israelites and said to them:

. . .You have seen with your own eyes everything the Lord did in Egypt to
Pharaoh and all his servants and his whole country-- all the great tests of
strength, the miraculous signs, and the amazing wonders. But to this day
the Lord has not given you minds that understand, nor eyes that see, nor
ears that hear!

By the time Moses made that statement, Israel had the Ten Commandments
plus all but the final book of the Pentateuch, i.e. Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus,
and Numbers. After all that adventure, all their experiences, and all that
scripture in their midst and at their disposal; how could Moses possibly say
that their minds lacked understanding, their eyes were blind, and their ears
deaf?

Pretty amazing isn't it? Neither miracles, nor wonders, nor tests of strength
between God and Egypt, nor the Ten Commandments, nor their God-given
scriptures, had made any improvement whatsoever in the Jews' spiritual
condition.

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twinc · Jul 4, 2017

so now we can clearly see how right Roy is in post #2 and this is what Jesus also said and meant at Lk 18:17 that it is very difficult if not impossible for most adults to simply simply believe - it seems most can only complicate and confuse themselves and others - twinc

bbyrd009 · Jul 4, 2017

twinc said:
so now we can clearly see how right Roy is in post #2 and this is what Jesus also said and meant at Lk 18:17 that it is very difficult if not impossible for most adults to simply simply believe - it seems most can only complicate and confuse themselves and others - twinc

but you're different though, right?

twinc · Jul 4, 2017

bbyrd009 said:
but you're different though, right?

no not at all - I find it very difficult if not impossible to simply simply believe - maybe it is you who is different - twinc

bbyrd009 · Jul 4, 2017

twinc said:
impossible to simply simply believe

hmm, i thought Scripture pretty explicitly stated that believers are a dime a dozen. Simply simply believe...what?

twinc · Jul 5, 2017

what you simply believe matters as at Jn.20:31 - twinc

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