From the journal of of one leading the Pentacostal movement (1800's)The following are extracts from a narrative penned at the time by one who took a leading part in the movement: At this period I was, by professional arrangements, called up to London, and had a strong desire to attend the prayer-meetings which were then privately held by those who spoke in the power, and those who sought for the gifts. Having obtained an introduction, I attended; my mind fully convinced that the power was of God, and prepared to listen to the utterances. After one or two brethren had read and prayed, Mr. T. was made to speak two or three words very distinctly, and with an energy and depth of tone which seemed to me extraordinary, and it fell upon me as a supernatural utterance, which I ascribed to the power of God; the words were in a tongue I did not understand. In a few minutes Miss E. C. broke out in an utterance in English, which, as to matter and manner, and the influence it had upon me, I at once bowed to as the utterance of the Spirit of God. Those who have heard the powerful and commanding utterance need no description; but they who have not, may conceive what an unnatural and unaccustomed tone of voice, an intense and rivetting power of expression - with the declaration of a cutting rebuke to all who were present, and applicable to my own state of mind in particular - would effect upon me, and upon others who were come together, expecting to hear the voice of the Spirit of God. In the midst of the feelings of awe and reverence which this produced, I was myself seized upon by the power; and in much struggling against it was made to cry out, and myself to give forth a confession of my own sin in the matter, for which we were rebuked; and afterwards to utter a prophecy that the messengers of the Lord should go forth, publishing to the ends of the earth, in the mighty power of God, the testimony of the near coming of the Lord Jesus. . . . From this period, for the space of five months, I had no utterances in public; though when engaged alone in private prayer, the power would come upon me, and cause me to pray with strong crying and tears for the state of the Church. On one occasion, about a month after I received the power, whilst in my study, endeavouring to lift up my soul to God in prayer, my mind was so filled with worldly concerns that my thoughts were wandering to them continually. Again and again I began to pray, and before a minute had passed I found my thoughts had wandered from my prayer back into the world. I was much distressed at this temptation, and sat down, lifting up a short ajaculation to God for deliverance; when suddenly the power came down upon me, and I found myself lifted up in soul to God, my wandering thoughts at once rivetted, and calmness of mind given me. By a constraint I cannot describe I was made to speak - at the same time shrinking from utterance, and yet rejoicing in it. The utterance was a prayer that the Lord would have mercy upon me and deliver me from fleshly weakness, and would graciously bestow upon me the gifts of His Spirit, "the gift of wisdom, the gift of knowledge, the gift of faith, the working of miracles, the gift of healing, the gift of prophecy, the gift of tongues, and the interpretation of tongues; and that He would open my mouth and give me strength to declare His glory." This prayer, short almost as I have now penned it, was forced from me by the constraint of the power which acted upon me; and the utterance was so loud that I put my handkerchief to my mouth to stop the sound, that I might not alarm the house. When I had reached the last word I have written, the power died off me, and I was left just as before, save in amazement at what had passed, and filled with thankfulness to God for His great love so manifested to me. With the power there came upon me a strong conviction - "This is the Spirit of God; what you are now praying is of the Spirit of God, and must, therefore, be the mind of God, and what you are asking will surely be given to you." A later Entry in the same JournalThese events occurred in 1831. In the following January he again visited the metropolis. Could a dozen Christians of any class be induced today to attend a prayer meeting at 6:30 a.m. on a winter morning? But scores of city merchants and professional men were then meeting daily at that hour to plead for Pentecostal blessings. At one of these meetings, the morning after his arrival in London, Mr. Irving called on him to read and pray. And he tells that, while he was reading Malachi 4:The power came upon me, and I was made to read in the power. My voice raised far beyond its natural pitch, with constrained repetitions of parts, and with the same inward uplifting which at the presence of the power I had always before experienced. When I knelt down to pray, I was carried out to pray in the power for the presence and blessing of God in the midst of the church; in all this I had great joy and peace, without any of the strugglings which had attended my former utterances in power Another Entry at a later dateIf I understood not the words I was made to utter, it was consistent with the idea of the utterances of the Spirit, that deep and mysterious things should be spoken. If I were commanded to do a thing of which I saw not the use, was I to dare to pause upon God's command? If, indeed, the things were clearly contrary to God's truth, it would have been clear God had not spoken it; but if it was a thing indifferent, surely (I reasoned) God is to be obeyed. If anyone is once persuaded that the Spirit of God speaks in him by any particular mode or communication, it will henceforth be his study only to discern that he does not mistake his own feelings or impulses for that communication; for, when the communication is decided to be from God, faithfulness to God steps in, and all the faith and love and simple reliance on God, which the Christian through faith possesses, will be enlisted to perform the command.Entry Awful, therefore, is the mistake, if a seducing spirit is entertained as the Holy Spirit of Jehovah. The more devoted the Christian seduced, the more implicit the obedience to the seducing spirit.Yet so it was, and the fact stands before us as a proof the most fearful errors may be propounded under the guise of greater light and zeal for God's truth. "As an angel of light" is an array of truth, as well as holiness and love, which nevertheless Satan is permitted to put on, to accomplish and sustain his delusions. It is yet more mysterious, and yet not less true, that the truth so spoken was carried to the hearts of several who, on this day, heard it, and these services were made the means of awakening them, so far as the change of conduct and earnest longing after Christ from that day forward can be an evidence of it.The words "as an angel of light" recur as a refrain throughout the narrative. Many a one will exclaim: "How could a movement which denounces the devil and all his works, and which promotes piety and honors Christ be satanic?" But this ignores the solemn warning of our divine Lord, "They shall deceive, if it were possible, the very elect. "A moment's thought might satisfy us that the false could never deceive the elect if it did not simulate all the characteristics of the true: honor paid to Christ, a high tone of spirituality, and a beautiful code of morals. This was not the raving of profanity or madness. It was the bold assertion of a disputed right. Satan claims to be the firstborn, the rightful heir of creation, the true Messiah, and as such he claims the homage of mankind. Men dream of a devil with horns and hoofs, an obscene monster who tempts the depraved to acts of atrocity or shame. But the Satan of Holy Writ "fashions himself into an angel of light," and "his ministers fashion themselves as ministers of righteousness" (2 Corinthians 11:14-15, RV). Do angels of light or ministers of righteousness corrupt men's morals, or incite them to commit acts of vice or crime? Such is the Satan of Scripture, a very different being from the mythical devil of Christendom, who though omnipresent - for he is always at the side of every man and woman and child - devotes his powers to making children disobedient and adults vicious. The Satan with whom we have to do is "the old serpent" of Eden, "the power of darkness" of the betrayal and crucifixion of the Son of God - that awful being whose divinely given title is "the god of this world" - not the instigator of its vices and its crimes, but the controller of its religion. Through ignorance of all this, people- are deluded into assuming that any man who displays "spiritual power" and is "a minister of righteousness" must be a minister of Christ. Such is the Satan of Scripture, a very different being from the mythical devil of Christendom, who though omnipresent - for he is always at the side of every man and woman and child - devotes his powers to making children disobedient and adults vicious. The Satan with whom we have to do is "the old serpent" of Eden, "the power of darkness" of the betrayal and crucifixion of the Son of God - that awful being whose divinely given title is "the god of this world" - not the instigator of its vices and its crimes, but the controller of its religion. Through ignorance of all this, people- are deluded into assuming that any man who displays "spiritual power" and is "a minister of righteousness" must be a minister of Christ. In these solemn days when the Christian dispensation is drawing to a close and the professing church is drifting to its predicted doom, Satan is preparing the way for the supreme delusion of a travesty of the incarnation. For "the man of sin" will be energized by him "with all power and signs and lying wonders" to impersonate the Christ and thus to command the worship of mankind. What wonder is it then if he feigns to honor Christ and bears testimony to His advent! In common with Christians generally, Mr. Baxter attributes all spiritual power to either God or Satan; demons are altogether ignored. But the Gospels testify to the activity of demons during the ministry of Christ on earth, and the Epistles warn us of a renewal of demoniacal activity in the "latter times," before His return. "All Scripture is Godbreathed," but it would seem that sometimes the revelation was made with special definiteness, and this particular warning is prefaced by the words, "the Spirit saith expressly." And it relates not to any new development of moral evil in the world, but to a new apostasy in the professing church, a cult promoted by "seducing spirits" of a highly sensitive spirituality, and a more fastidious morality than Christianity itself will sanction (1 Timothy 4). The Gospel narrative indicates that some demons were base and filthy spirits that exercised a brutalizing influence upon their victims. But the Lord plainly indicated that these were a class apart ("this kind," Mark 9:29). They were all 11 unclean spirits," but in Jewish use the word akathartos connoted spiritual defilement. That it did not imply moral pollution is proved by the fact that demoniacs were allowed to frequent the synagogues. And the crowning proof is the fact that the Lord Jesus was charged with having a demon though not even His most malignant enemies ever accused Him of moral evil. It was only by prayer that these filthy spirits could be cast out, whereas pious demons acknowledged Christ and came out when His disciples commanded them to do so in His name. The most mysterious fact about these demons was their eagerness to acknowledge the Lord and to pay Him homage. For we read, "Devils came out of many, crying out and saying, Thou art Christ, the Son of God. And He, rebuking them, suffered them not to speak; for they knew that He was Christ" (Luke 4:41). It is an incidental but most striking proof of His deity that while the Jews rejected Him and His own disciples halted in their confession of Him, the demons, under some strange compulsion, gave this clear, bold testimony to His divine character and mission. This was not an isolated incident. We read again that "the unclean spirits, whensoever they beheld Him, fell down before Him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God" (Mark 3: 11, RV ). The mystery of it all is immensely deepened by reference to 1 John 4:2-3; and Mr. Baxter tells us that it was the seeming failure of the test there indicated that confirmed Edward Irving and his followers in their delusion. And the record adds, "He charged them much that they should not make Him known." The Lord refused their homage, and it is impossible to believe that, at this time, Satan could have prompted it. Indeed, the facts disprove the figment that demons are mere puppets of Satan and that they act only under his orders. As fallen members of the heavenly hierarchy, they probably differ from one another not only in their capacities but in their idiosyncracies. If the present-day apostasies of spiritualism, Christian ................................................................................................................................ The career of H. J. Prince, of the Agapemone, deserves a passing notice in this connection. There lies before me, as I write, a statement from the pen of his relative, the late Mr. A. A. Rees of Sunderland, whom I knew personally as a man of sound judgment and a true Christian minister. For five years, at Lampeter College, Prince and he were best friends. And he adds: Nor did I ever see or hear of an individual more thoroughly devoted to God than he was during that period. . . . His private life, of which I was a perpetual eyewitness, was in harmony with what he appeared to be in public. . . . He was unusually blessed, both in the edification of saints and the conversion of sinners, long before he entered the public ministry. He was a man of prayer and self-denial; and few were more deeply acquainted with the Scripture.
Tongues From What Spirit ?
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anyone interested in this subject even if you do not read the entire above post please read the first and last paragraphsIsa 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
Isa 29:4 And thou shalt be brought down, [and] shalt speak out of the ground, and thy speech shall be low out of the dust, and thy voice shall be, as of one that hath a familiar spirit, out of the ground, and thy speech shall whisper out of the dust. Isa 36:11 Then said Eliakim and Shebna and Joah unto Rabshakeh, Speak, I pray thee, unto thy servants in the Syrian language; for we understand [it]: and speak not to us in the Jews' language, in the ears of the people that [are] on the wall. this is the same basic thing as spoken in 1 cor. the only difference is one specific language(syrian) as opposed to all forgein languages They need to be told in language they could understand
Kriss,We can all give testimonies from people in the past. This article was very interesting and it did make me think. I will look at these scriptures in Isaiah.Are you saying that people can earnestly go to God seeking truth, praying and claiming scripture that he will never leave or forsake me, lead me into all truth.. and all of a sudden Satan will show up confuse you and lead you away from God.
I posted this because it was from a true believer in tongues(as evidenced by the first paragraph a leader in the movement not just some guy with an opinion................Satan has always wanted to be christ it was why he caused Adam and Eve to sin in the garden He is not some little guy in a red suit it is impairative to the beiliever to understand Satan was the most powerful knowagable angel ever created he became full of pride because he thought he should be God he has not literally walked on the earth sense the crusifiction We are not prepared for his power We think him an evil little guy we can reconize he is the most beatiful angel in heaven he knows scripture he tempted even Christ himself 40 dayshe appears as and Angel of light. Is it not interesting that Gods word does not speak of babble murmering uttering strange words except in referance to unfamilar spirts??........ The theology of this gift of tongues movement displays ignorance and perversion of Scripture. As already noted, it subordinates the great facts and truths of the Christian revelation to the subjective experiences of the Christian life. More than this, in its teaching about the Holy Spirit it subordinates what was primary and essential in Pentecost to what was incidental and altogether secondary. The supreme fact was the fulfillment of "the promise of the Father"; this was abiding. The "rushing, mighty wind," the "cloven tongues," and the distributed "gifts," were but outward manifestations of His presence; these were transient. The essential element was corporate blessing. The baptism of the Holy Spirit created the church - not a church within the church, an election within the election of grace. It was for all. So that even to the Corinthians, albeit their heresies and sins called for warning and rebuke, the apostle wrote, "By one Spirit are we all baptized into one Body . . . and have been all made to drink into one Spirit" (1 Corinthians 12:13). The coming of the Holy Spirit is now as definitely a matter of faith as is the coming of the Son of God. While to seek subjective proofs of His baptism as a condition of believing in it may be plausibly described as "seeking a second Pentecost," it is, in fact, sheer unbelief. It throws discredit upon that first and only true Pentecost, and calls in question the fulfillment of "the promise of the Father." by Sir Robert AndersonIf tongue speakers are calling the lowly gift of tongues the evidence of holy spirit they break scripture, which says belive and repentance is the baptism of the holy spirit. defeying the word and trying to make a second Pentacost then they open them selfsup to unfamiliar spirits1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils
Maybe Satan wants to confuse us about the real use of tongues. If we avoid tongues as some understand it in the Bible, because of the fake. We could miss out on what God can do. Just because we have false preachers, should everyone quit preaching? In 1 John 4:1-2 it says to test the spirit. I heard once of someone praying in tongues and when asked to confess Jesus as Lord in English, she could say Jesus is a lord, but could not say Jesus is my Lord. There will be counterfeits! It was interesting that speaking in tongues was the first sign gift manifested at Pentecost.
There is no unknown tongue in scripture if you use this it breaks scripture there is no second Pentecost day The famine of the End times is for the true word of God it is not in babble.the word babble means confusion. I repeat Christ never taught any such thing stick with his word not men To believe this doctrine is to make baptism of holy spirit what God says it is not If one does not understand the blasphemy in that you are truly in grave danger.believing in it may be plausibly described as "seeking a second Pentecost," it is, in fact, sheer unbelief. It throws discredit upon that first and only true Pentecost, and calls in question the fulfillment of "the promise of the Father." Paul says, "I don't care how you talk. I don't care whether you talk in human languages or whether you talk angel talk (and that's hypothetical because every time angels ever speak they speak in the language of men)." But he says, hypothetically, hyperbolically, "I don't care if you talk angel talk, if you are not motivated by love, it's noise, absolute noise.1Cr 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another [divers](many) kinds of tongues(foreign languages); to another the interpretation of tongues: foreign languagethis was the true and simple teaching of Paul foreign languages not unknown babble
First of all I never called tongues babble. I have always considered them languages( there are many languages that sound like babble though). The unknown is added for emphasis. The disciples at Pentecost spoke in a language they had never spoken before, therefore it was unknown(learned) to them. It was given by the Holy Spirit.
I called it babble I never said you did and you are right about disciples but they were natural languages so that they could spread Gods word
I started this study this morning to search out if I was misinterpting something with a mind set determed to be open and fair and I came away with great fear I never had about this and saddness for those who practice this unknown tongue I never quite realized the blashempy in it I just thought it wasnt in scripture so should not be practiced but now I am deeply concerned for those who practice this as they know not what they do.I have never met a person who has spent any length of time around this that hasnt wittnessed or heard of a tragic event caused by it some have seen people go mad others go into convulsions or turn completely from God altoghther I know this will fall on many deaf ears but my soul cries out to attempt to warn anyone who practices this deceit to stop and come back to Gods word the only way to the Holy spirit is through what God has said belief and repentace unknown babble was never a gift from God.please pray hard on this
She's going to look at the Pentecostals and base our experience on a blanketed Generalization of the Pentecostal denomination. I don't care what any man, woman, or angel has to say about the Gifts of Speaking in Tongues. Anyone can fake it, the Lord Vindicates it. I don't care anymore, I think when you question ones experience, and YES Kriss you are questioning my tongue speaking, you despise it. If you admit yourself that you don't know our hearts when we pray, why even question our tongue speaking? Despise not the Least of the Gifts. 5 Months have I been in the Word of God, I despise no tongue speaking and neither do I despise Prophecy 1st Thessolonians 4.
I was not singling out anyone unorthodox and I knew unknown tongues was not in scripture and never supported it true but I never realized how bad it was until today I only posted small amount of what I learned. As a new Christian you know not what you do I will pray for you
So what is the Tongues of 1st Corinthians 13:1? You think this language of the Angels was an earthyly one? If I'm Wrong Pray for me, If you're wrong, I'll pray for you. Like Isaiah 1:18, THIS IS THE LORD SPEAKING MAY I ADD, the Lord is Saying LET US REASON! How powerful is that, THE LORD SAYS let us REASON. I know the Translation of Unknown Tongue isn't correct, HENCE IT THE WORD UNKNOWN IS IN Italics. It's just amazing, cause I've Gone too far in this 5 month Journey of Mine, I don't care how long you study the Bible. The Holy Ghost can give a man 10 years of study in such a short time, with his Revelation. Anyways, God Bless
(Unorthodox Christian;30224)
(kriss;30226)
I was not singling out anyone unorthodox and I knew unknown tongues was not in scripture and never supported it true but I never realized how bad it was until today I only posted small amount of what I learned. As a new Christian you know not what you do I will pray for you
She's going to look at the Pentecostals and base our experience on a blanketed Generalization of the Pentecostal denomination. I don't care what any man, woman, or angel has to say about the Gifts of Speaking in Tongues. Anyone can fake it, the Lord Vindicates it. I don't care anymore, I think when you question ones experience, and YES Kriss you are questioning my tongue speaking, you despise it. If you admit yourself that you don't know our hearts when we pray, why even question our tongue speaking? Despise not the Least of the Gifts. 5 Months have I been in the Word of God, I despise no tongue speaking and neither do I despise Prophecy 1st Thessolonians 4.To break that up to you, by reading what Kriss has posted that she learned (small portion) I have felt her emotions by reading them. She is and has always been right. There is no unknown tongue in scripture. Christ spake not unknown tongue. He spake in the Hebrew tongue. That is good enough for me since Christ didn't do it. God want us rather to understand His words. Not dis-understanding.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
(kriss;30226)
I was not singling out anyone unorthodox and I knew unknown tongues was not in scripture and never supported it true but I never realized how bad it was until today I only posted small amount of what I learned. As a new Christian you know not what you do I will pray for you
She's going to look at the Pentecostals and base our experience on a blanketed Generalization of the Pentecostal denomination. I don't care what any man, woman, or angel has to say about the Gifts of Speaking in Tongues. Anyone can fake it, the Lord Vindicates it. I don't care anymore, I think when you question ones experience, and YES Kriss you are questioning my tongue speaking, you despise it. If you admit yourself that you don't know our hearts when we pray, why even question our tongue speaking? Despise not the Least of the Gifts. 5 Months have I been in the Word of God, I despise no tongue speaking and neither do I despise Prophecy 1st Thessolonians 4.To break that up to you, by reading what Kriss has posted that she learned (small portion) I have felt her emotions by reading them. She is and has always been right. There is no unknown tongue in scripture. Christ spake not unknown tongue. He spake in the Hebrew tongue. That is good enough for me since Christ didn't do it. God want us rather to understand His words. Not dis-understanding.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
(thesuperjag;30249)
To break that up to you, by reading what Kriss has posted that she learned (small portion) I have felt her emotions by reading them. She is and has always been right. There is no unknown tongue in scripture. Christ spake not unknown tongue. He spake in the Hebrew tongue. That is good enough for me since Christ didn't do it. God want us rather to understand His words. Not dis-understanding.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
YET DID I SAY UNKNOWN TONGUE?! NO! You despisers of this babble, which I don't consider babble, can't even explain what Language was that of 1st Corinthians 13:1. His Point was that although he could prophecy, speak in tongues and do miracles without Charity(Kind Doing) he was nothing. Putting myself back in point, those in the Upper Room, THERE WERE MORE THAN 2 OR THREE SPEAKING in tongues, this is obviously against the Order of how Tongues should be Spoken In 1st Corinthians 12. That's not the main point either, how in the world would I uncontrollably speak such a tongue(I'M NOT CALLING IT UNKNOWN WHICH YOU FOLKS SAY I CALL IT) and then Translate. I would not suffer myself to subject such an event in my life to be belittled because of someone's self prudence. I've sat here and agreed with most of your Doctrines. There are a few CB dogmas here which I refuse to adhere to. Bless you All.Despite the Capital Letterings it's still in a calm tone
To break that up to you, by reading what Kriss has posted that she learned (small portion) I have felt her emotions by reading them. She is and has always been right. There is no unknown tongue in scripture. Christ spake not unknown tongue. He spake in the Hebrew tongue. That is good enough for me since Christ didn't do it. God want us rather to understand His words. Not dis-understanding.JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
YET DID I SAY UNKNOWN TONGUE?! NO! You despisers of this babble, which I don't consider babble, can't even explain what Language was that of 1st Corinthians 13:1. His Point was that although he could prophecy, speak in tongues and do miracles without Charity(Kind Doing) he was nothing. Putting myself back in point, those in the Upper Room, THERE WERE MORE THAN 2 OR THREE SPEAKING in tongues, this is obviously against the Order of how Tongues should be Spoken In 1st Corinthians 12. That's not the main point either, how in the world would I uncontrollably speak such a tongue(I'M NOT CALLING IT UNKNOWN WHICH YOU FOLKS SAY I CALL IT) and then Translate. I would not suffer myself to subject such an event in my life to be belittled because of someone's self prudence. I've sat here and agreed with most of your Doctrines. There are a few CB dogmas here which I refuse to adhere to. Bless you All.Despite the Capital Letterings it's still in a calm tone
(Unorthodox Christian;30227)
So what is the Tongues of 1st Corinthians 13:1? You think this language of the Angels was an earthly one? If I'm Wrong Pray for me, If you're wrong, I'll pray for you. Like Isaiah 1:18, THIS IS THE LORD SPEAKING MAY I ADD, the Lord is Saying LET US REASON! How powerful is that, THE LORD SAYS let us REASON. I know the Translation of Unknown Tongue isn't correct, HENCE IT THE WORD UNKNOWN IS IN Italics. It's just amazing, cause I've Gone too far in this 5 month Journey of Mine, I don't care how long you study the Bible. The Holy Ghost can give a man 10 years of study in such a short time, with his Revelation. Anyways, God Bless
Frankly unorthodox you are not following God you follow a mans religion1cor never speaks of anything but foreign Divers languages the Angels speak to us in Human tongue and you will never find an example of an Angel speaking to a man in what ever you want to call your groaning and murmuring God never say if you are baptised the proof will come uttering unintelligble murmurings. And if you were talking a language everyone would be saying and hearing the same thing as they did in ActsI posted this letter because it came from a founder of you religion a true believer of it not a doubter like me.Futher more almost every original founder left this practice because they got further away from scripture and found it was evil. In 1969 the religion changed to institute this baptism by tongues lie of men and sense have strayed further from scripture I spoke from my heart in my plea if you did not get that maybe its the evil spirit in you I do not know but the only groaning and murmuring spoken of in scripture comes from evil spirits God gave the gift of speaking and understanding foreign Languages to help the New church follow his command go and preach the Gospel to the World.There is and never has been any gift of murmuring and groaning except by Satan.And there has never been a doctrine of Baptism by Tongues will bring on and be evidenced by murmuring unintelligeable utterings
So what is the Tongues of 1st Corinthians 13:1? You think this language of the Angels was an earthly one? If I'm Wrong Pray for me, If you're wrong, I'll pray for you. Like Isaiah 1:18, THIS IS THE LORD SPEAKING MAY I ADD, the Lord is Saying LET US REASON! How powerful is that, THE LORD SAYS let us REASON. I know the Translation of Unknown Tongue isn't correct, HENCE IT THE WORD UNKNOWN IS IN Italics. It's just amazing, cause I've Gone too far in this 5 month Journey of Mine, I don't care how long you study the Bible. The Holy Ghost can give a man 10 years of study in such a short time, with his Revelation. Anyways, God Bless
Frankly unorthodox you are not following God you follow a mans religion1cor never speaks of anything but foreign Divers languages the Angels speak to us in Human tongue and you will never find an example of an Angel speaking to a man in what ever you want to call your groaning and murmuring God never say if you are baptised the proof will come uttering unintelligble murmurings. And if you were talking a language everyone would be saying and hearing the same thing as they did in ActsI posted this letter because it came from a founder of you religion a true believer of it not a doubter like me.Futher more almost every original founder left this practice because they got further away from scripture and found it was evil. In 1969 the religion changed to institute this baptism by tongues lie of men and sense have strayed further from scripture I spoke from my heart in my plea if you did not get that maybe its the evil spirit in you I do not know but the only groaning and murmuring spoken of in scripture comes from evil spirits God gave the gift of speaking and understanding foreign Languages to help the New church follow his command go and preach the Gospel to the World.There is and never has been any gift of murmuring and groaning except by Satan.And there has never been a doctrine of Baptism by Tongues will bring on and be evidenced by murmuring unintelligeable utterings
The most mysterious fact about these demons was their eagerness to acknowledge the Lord and to pay Him homage. For we read, "Devils came out of many, crying out and saying, Thou art Christ, the Son of God. And He, rebuking them, suffered them not to speak; for they knew that He was Christ" (Luke 4:41).
See you're just picking straws Kriss. I'm not a pentecostal, I'm of no congregation, and the Typical Response of you CB members are you are of an evil spirit or the devils Doctrine. NEVER ONCE did I say the Initial signs of the Holy Ghost was speaking in tongues!1st Corinthians 14:12 Is basically saying if you're going to talk like a barbarian(babble) then that's all you will sound like, BUT IF YOU PROPHECY YOU'RE EDIFYING THE CHURCH. The times when I spoke tongues, IT WAS NOT TO EDIFY MYSELF, but the Church assembly, WE ARE NOT PENTECOSTALS FOR THE 777 TIME sister!1st Corinthians 14:16 says if you're going to speak tongues and not translate what's the Point! I spoke tongues three times AND THREE TIMES DID I INTERPRET.Kriss you have the nerve to say I have an evil spirit, Christ said where two or more are gathered in my name I will be there. The bible also Says WHEREVER THE SPIRIT OF GOD IS, THERE IS LIBERTY. Say what you want, you too have an evil spirit if you'd like to say likewise of me. With your pre-adamic Race doctrine, and you Satan being omnipresent with two bodies dogmas. God BlessBut you have the Holy Ghost apparently, let us Reason Sister. God Bless you and much Love in the Name of Y'shua HaMashiach.
God has the nerve to not speak of this you with your five month of experienceyour great wisdom given by some spirit yet God says you must learn his word precept upon precept concept upon concept yet some spirit you know not how to test has given it to you. I was refering to the Penacostal movement that is speaking in Babble did not exsit untill 1800's it is a mans doctrine not Gods word you can argue till you are blue in the face it is an unknown tongue of murming but the fact you can twist scripture to support your idea is the ear mark of Satan he is a master at it and all evil spirits know who Christ is.funny how you look to hebrew when it suits you but ignore it when it doesntYou show me one instance of Christ preaching this unitellable uttering and murmuring1Cr 10:9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents. 1Cr 10:10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer. 1Cr 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
1Cr 10:10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer that is Satan murming and groarning is not a tongue it was done by wizards and the such.it is a sign of the destorer (Satan)Foreign languages to preach the gospel to the World is what the Hebrew and the Bible speak of in 1 Cor.
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