Verses we don't get

what are you talking about sealedE what does any of this have to do with this thread?the question is about bible verse that says blaspheme is forgiven and next verse says its the unforgivable sin what in the world does that have to do with my understanding of salvation?This is the correct anwser to the question 28I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. On the surface this looks like a condradiction in these two verses but it is not it is talking about two differnt things and timesThe first verse is saying that all blasphemes will be forgiven men this means if you used the Lords name in vain or at some point blasheme the Lord just ask and it will be forgiven God knows blashemes is probably in one way or another the most common of sins and he saying they are like other sins forgivable upon repentance29But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."Now this verse would seem to contradict the first verse (use the grey matter here)Knowing there are no contradictions in scripture We have to understandThis is talking about a particular type of blaspheme One where the Holy spirit is involved so when do we get told of the Holy spirit that could be talking about??Mark 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost. This is when the Elect are put on trial by Antichrist they are not to premeditatewhat they will say because the Holy ghost/spirit will come upon themthis sin can only be commited by the Elect and only at this period in time When the Holy spirit comes on the Elect (just like in Acts 2) they will at the same timereceive the knowledge of God and having this full knowledge should they of their own free will deny God they will comit blashpeme of the Holy spirit this is known as the unforgivable sin.And will never be forgiven

(kriss;30570)
what are you talking about what does any of this have to do with this threadthe question is about bible verse that says blaspheme is forgiven and next verse says its the unforgivable sin what in the world does that have to do with my understanding of salvation?
The text says that it is blaspheming God's Spirit that is the only thing that will prevent salvation. This is because throughout the New Testament we are told that a person is born of God or becomes His child, through having their hearts regenerated by His Spirit. If you deny the power of God's Spirit as the Pharisees did, then there is no other means of salvation. SealedEternal

What does this verse say????? 28I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. Are there contradictions in Gods word???Are you saying God didnt mean All when he says All?Are you saying we are not under Grace that we are not saved by believe and repentance???Are you saying God didnt mean what he says

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This is the correct anwser to the question 28I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. On the surface this looks like a condradiction in these two verses but it is not it is talking about two differnt things and timesThe first verse is saying that all blasphemes will be forgiven men this means if you used the Lords name in vain or at some point blasheme the Lord just ask and it will be forgiven God knows blashemes is probably in one way or another the most common of sins and he saying they are like other sins forgivable upon repentance29But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."Now this verse would seem to contradict the first verse (use the grey matter here)Knowing there are no contradictions in scripture We have to understandThis is talking about a particular type of blaspheme One where the Holy spirit is involved so when do we get told of the Holy spirit that could be talking about??Mark 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost. This is when the Elect are put on trial by Antichrist they are not to premeditatewhat they will say because the Holy ghost/spirit will come upon themthis sin can only be commited by the Elect and only at this period in time When the Holy spirit comes on the Elect (just like in Acts 2) they will at the same timereceive the knowledge of God and having this full knowledge should they of their own free will deny God they will comit blashpeme of the Holy spirit this is known as the unforgivable sin.And will never be forgiven
I'm sorry, but you're trying to make the text fit some bad Theology that it is not meant to support. The Pharisees are not the elect, so the position is at best way out of context. Jesus is telling the Pharisees that they will not be forgiven for denying His Spirit because this is the one unpardonable sin. All other sins are forgivable because once God's Spirit cleanses us from unrighteousness we are sanctified and seen as pure by God. If one denies His Spirit however like the Pharisees were in the text, then that person cannot be born of God and they will die in their sins.The Pharisees were denying the New Covenant that God had established which was to send His Spirit into our hearts and minds and circumcize them and write His Law upon them. They thought they were righteous by keeping old covenant circumcision and keeping the Old covenant Law, and were refusing the New Covenant of Christ. This is the only sin that will prevent salvation, because it is through entering the New Covenant that we may become children of God and heirs to His Kingdom.SealedEternal

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What does this verse say????? 28I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. Are there contradictions in Gods word???Are you saying God didnt mean All when he says All?Are you saying we are not under Grace that we are not saved by believe and repentance???Are you saying God didnt mean what he says
Matthew 12:31 "Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.It's not a contradiction, it's qualifying what He was saying. He is saying that every sin is forgivable because God is offering the New Covenant to us all, by which His Spirit will sanctify us and make us children of God, but blasphemy of His Spirit shall not be forgiven because His Spirit is the key to entering the New Covenant.SealedEternal

Give me one scripture that show the pharasee have been judged to death already

(SealedEternal;30578)
Matthew 12:31 "Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.It's not a contradiction, it's qualifying what He was saying. He is saying that every sin is forgivable because God is offering the New Covenant to us all, by which His Spirit will sanctify us and make us children of God, but blasphemy of His Spirit shall not be forgiven because His Spirit is the key to entering the New Covenant.SealedEternal
yes and and that appears to contradicted verse 28 so what you chose to ignore verse 28 and interpt scripture based on verses you choose to read and follow??because they wont fit into your preconceivred doctrine ?the verse in matthew is talking about and event that has not happened yet in happens as described in Mark 13 when the holy spirt comes upon the Elect where to you get this about the pharasee and where is the verse saying they are condemned to eternal death?

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Give me one scripture that show the pharasee have been judged to death already
I agree with Kriss 100%. There is only ONE that is judged to the second death, and that is only Satan. (Ezekiel 28:18)JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.

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Give me one scripture that show the pharasee have been judged to death already
That's a strawman argument because I never said they were and don't believe it.SealedEternal

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(Kriss;30579)
Give me one scripture that show the pharasee have been judged to death already
That's a strawman argument because I never said they were and don't believe it.SealedEternalSo you agreed that even the Kenites (sons of Cain through Satan) are also open to salvation of the Lord if they repented of their sins and have Him as their Lord and Saviour?JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.

Matthew 12:31 "Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.But thats what the verse says they are essentually eternally judged guilty because there is no forgiveness what do you think this means? It means it can not be repented for how can that apply at this time we are told Christ died for all sin so how can this be verse 28 says we are forgiven all blasphemes you are ignoring the questions and have no verse to support your veiw28I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven themthen please explain verse 28 and tell me why it is a lie

(kriss;30580)
yes and and that appears to contradicted verse 28 so what you chose to ignore verse 28 and interpt scripture based on verses you choose to read and follow??because they wont fit into your preconceivred doctrine ?
No, verse 28 supports my position:Matthew 12:28 "But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.He's saying that the New Covenant Kingdom of God is at hand in which He promised in the Old Testament would be the fulfillment of the Old Covenant Law, where God writes His Law on the hearts and minds of men through His Spirit.Jeremiah 31:31-34 "Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares the LORD. "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. "They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them," declares the LORD, "for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."Hebrews 10:14-17 For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified. And the Holy Spirit also testifies to us; for after saying, "THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS UPON THEIR HEART, AND ON THEIR MIND I WILL WRITE THEM," He then says, "AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."Romans 8:2-17 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh-- for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, "Abba! Father!" The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him.2 Corinthians 3:2-3 You are our letter, written in our hearts, known and read by all men; being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God. [/FONT][/SIZE]Titus 3:5-7 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
the verse in matthew is talking about and event that has not happened yet in happens as described in Mark 13 when the holy spirt comes upon the Elect where to you get this about the pharasee and where is the verse saying they are condemned to eternal death?
I'm sorry that it doesn't fit your preconceived Theology, but the verse is actually referring to the Pharisees when Jesus came in the flesh almost 2000 years ago. They were used as an example to express the New Covenant Kingdom of God being instituted by Christ, whereby He sent His Spirit into the hearts of men in order that He may write His Laws upon them and reconcile us to Himself, so that we are born of Him and may inherit His Kingdom.SealedEternal

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Matthew 12:31 "Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.But thats what the verse says they are essentually eternally judged guilty because there is no forgiveness what do you think this means?
There is no forgiveness for those who reject the works of God's Spirit (which is what the Pharisees were doing there) because it is through regeneration of His Spirit that we enter the New Covenant and are saved from every other sin. Every other sin is forgivable to those who have been born of God through regeneration by His Spirit, but once you deny His Spirit you cut off the only means of entering the New Covenant.SealedEternal

those are not the verses we are discussing these are 28I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. 29But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."And you just avoid answering my questions and give scripture that has nothing to do with the questions I asked you to answer you can not answer because you have no answers because you have these two verse wrong they do contradict each other We are under grace all sin of blaspheme will be forgiven this is refering to a time in the future all the scripture you can muster wont disprove the facts this is not and can not be a past sin as Christ died for all sin this is a future eventAnd I know scripture well enough to know there is now where that the pharasse have been judged etertally and will not be forgiven there is only one judged to eternal death and that is Satanyour argument holds no waterits has to ignore the first verse to explain the second wrong way to interpt scripture

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There is no forgiveness for those who reject the works of God's Spirit (which is what the Pharisees were doing there) because it is through regeneration of His Spirit that we enter the New Covenant and are saved from every other sin. Every other sin is forgivable to those who have been born of God through regeneration by His Spirit, but once you deny His Spirit you cut off the only means of entering the New Covenant.SealedEternal
So then according to you there are conditions on Christs death he didnt really die for all sins just some

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those are not the verses we are discussing these are 28I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. 29But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."And you just avoid answering my questions and give scripture that has nothing to do with the questions I asked you to answer you can not answer because you have no answers because you have these two verse wrong they do contradict each other We are under grace all sin of blaspheme will be forgiven
Please don't start resorting to false accusations, because I have been patiently answering your questions here. You're trying to create a false contradiction, and then using your preconceived Theology supposedly resolving the contradiction you yourself created. The fact is that there is no contradiction in the text, and Jesus is simply qualifying His statement that all sin is forgivable, by adding that if you reject His Spirit then that sin is unforgivable because it is through His Spirit that one is born of Him and may enter the New Covenant. If you cut yourself off from the One who can save you from your sin and reconcile you to God, then that sin is unforgivable.
this is refering to a time in the future all the scripture you can muster wont disprove the facts this is not and can not be a past sin as Christ died for all sin this is a future event
It's referring to the Kingdom of God that Christ came in the flesh to bring to mankind almost 2000 years ago. This is not a future event. He said that when He left He was going to send His Spirit as a Helper to regenerate the hearts of men and reconcile us to God. He did that already, and those who trust in Him and walk by His Spirit are His children and have an inheritance in His Kingdom. Those who deny his Spirit like the Pharisees have not entered the New Covenant, and will die in their sins.
And I know scripture well enough to know there is now where that the pharasse have been judged etertally and will not be forgiven there is only one judged to eternal death and that is Satanyour argument holds no waterits has to ignore the first verse to explain the second wrong way to interpt scripture
Jesus told the Pharisees that the sin they were committing in denying His Spirit was the only unpardonable sin. They haven't been judged yet, but when they are they will be found guilty because they failed to enter the New Covenant due to rejecting the work of God's Spirit.SealedEternal

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So then according to you there are conditions on Christs death he didnt really die for all sins just some
He died for ALL sins of those who entered the New Covenant by being born of Him by His Spirit, and NONE of the sins of those who reject the New Covenant and have not been regenerated by His Spirit.SealedEternal

So then according to you Christ didnt die for all sin because then the pharaseeare not eligable for forgivness funny I did not read that anywhere that Christ death on the cross was conditional to some Where did Christ go after he died and for what reason???you can not dazzel me with your baloney I been doing this to long and know scripture to wellNews flash for you Christ died for all even the pharasee'sAll blashpemes of men thats all men will be forgiventhat is what the bible says whether you agree or not thats what it saysVerse 29 is not about the past its about Mark 13:9-11When the Holy spirit will speak throiugh the Elect if it be denied you are guilty of the unforgivable sin End of story all your scripture and ideas have to make the word contradictory or make Christs death conditionallearn something here instead of arguing a lost cause

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So then according to you Christ didnt die for all sin because then the pharaseeare not eligable for forgivness funny I did not read that anywhere that Christ death on the cross was conditional to some Where did Christ go after he died and for what reason???you can not dazzel me with your baloney I been doing this to long and know scripture to wellNews flash for you Christ died for all even the pharasee'sAll blashpemes of men thats all men will be forgiventhat is what the bible says whether you agree or not thats what it saysVerse 29 is not about the past its about Mark 13:9-11When the Holy spirit will speak throiugh the Elect if it be denied you are guilty of the unforgivable sin End of story all your scripture and ideas have to make the word contradictory or make Christs death conditionallearn something here instead of arguing a lost cause
Kriss, even though he did not answer my question, from reading from this debate, it looks like he even deny the fact that he didn't die for the seed of Satan. (aka Kenites - the sons of the first murderer, Cain)JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.

We know Christ died for all sins Jag and that all sins can be repented for that Christ offers this to all thoseAll who died before his death and after we know his forgiveness is not contingent on the new covenant so as long as we know these truths that Christs death was not conditionalto some we have it right.