This does not sound like a pOST-trib rapture!

rockytopva · Nov 17, 2016

"Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left." - Matthew 24:40-

This does not sound like a post trib rapture!

HammerStone · Nov 17, 2016

Ah, but carefully read the context around the passage here in Matthew and its sister passages in Luke (21) and Mark (13). The ones who are taken away in the flood comparison are taken away to destruction. Similarly, Christ comes to us like a thief but we must remember that he is not a thief The example about the thief in this passage refers to someone who keeps watch to prevent something bad. The second advent of our Lord is not something to be feared.

No one knows the exact hour of the return, and when it takes place after the tribulation, there is no magic indicator that the tribulation is over and it's now time other than the events as it's actually unfolding.

Flip back to the passage of Matthew 24:22-31 and I don't see how you can parse that to get a secret rapture. Those who go off are deceived. The practice referred to in your passage was an ancient Roman practice of slaughtering the unruly populations to make a point, which is why in Matthew 24:15-21 those in Judea are told to flee. Those taken are taken to their death, and that's where the vultures (eagles) gather over the dead bodies.

7angels · Nov 17, 2016

HammerStone said:
Ah, but carefully read the context around the passage here in Matthew and its sister passages in Luke (21) and Mark (13). The ones who are taken away in the flood comparison are taken away to destruction. Similarly, Christ comes to us like a thief but we must remember that he is not a thief The example about the thief in this passage refers to someone who keeps watch to prevent something bad. The second advent of our Lord is not something to be feared.

No one knows the exact hour of the return, and when it takes place after the tribulation, there is no magic indicator that the tribulation is over and it's now time other than the events as it's actually unfolding.

Flip back to the passage of Matthew 24:22-31 and I don't see how you can parse that to get a secret rapture. Those who go off are deceived. The practice referred to in your passage was an ancient Roman practice of slaughtering the unruly populations to make a point, which is why in Matthew 24:15-21 those in Judea are told to flee. Those taken are taken to their death, and that's where the vultures (eagles) gather over the dead bodies.

i have heard this explanation before. it come from the idea that the righteous people remain and the evil people are the ones who get taken away. depending upon your view it could be possible but i prefer using that scripture for pretrib raptures. but until we get to heaven who really knows.

i am not sure what is being stated about Jesus coming as a thief. because the scripture i believe hammerstone is referring too 1 thes 5:2. this scripture is referring to letting us endeavor to awaken ourselves and each other, and guard against our spiritual enemies lest we fall away. so be prepared to receive Christ at any time. the parable of the 10 virgins is a good example of this.

some don't believe in pre or mid trib raptures but i prefer to believe in the best but prepare for the worst. there have been times in history where christians believed Jesus was coming back soon and thus quit jobs, gave all their money away, and etc only to find out it never happened at the time and so those people put in bad situations when Jesus never showed when those christians thought He would.

anyone who says they know the truth and that one or the other is either right or wrong are probably spiritually blind. the best a person can do at present is to find a belief you understand and try and learn why others have the opinions they have so you can either reaffirm your beliefs or question whether what you always believed to be truth was actually a lie thus you can learn the truth.

God bless

skypair · Nov 18, 2016

7angels said:
anyone who says they know the truth and that one or the other is either right or wrong are probably spiritually blind. the best a person can do at present is to find a belief you understand and try and learn why others have the opinions they have so you can either reaffirm your beliefs or question whether what you always believed to be truth was actually a lie thus you can learn the truth.

1Thes 5:4, the very passage you cite, tells us that we can know approximately when it is near, at the door. "For you, brethren, are not in darkness that that day should overtake you as a thief." You seem to be simply believing what someone else told you rather than study it out for yourself. Hammer Stone gives you a good place to start, the Olivett Discourse. The folks disappearing can be both rapture (2Thes 2:6-8) and 2nd coming (Mt 13:39-40) ocurring 7 years apart.

skypair

n2thelight · Nov 21, 2016

Simple question

When is the end?

Matthew 24:13 "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

michaelvpardo · Jul 4, 2017

rockytopva said:
"Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left." - Matthew 24:40-

This does not sound like a post trib rapture!

That's because the verse is about judgment. That which causes offense is removed. The post trib rapture is found in 2 thess. as occurring after the A.C. is revealed (consumed at the coming of Christ). You can only create Pretrib doctrine by loosing the true meaning of scripture, and thereby enter the numbers of the deceived.

Dcopymope · Jul 4, 2017

rockytopva said:
"Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left." - Matthew 24:40-

This does not sound like a post trib rapture!

For the amount of pride expressed on this forum, a lot of you sure as hell don't seem too secure in your faith if you have to make 100 different threads about the most pivotal event prophesied to occur in the Bible.

bbyrd009 · Jul 4, 2017

7angels said:
i am not sure what is being stated about Jesus coming as a thief.

me neither but i get the impression of someone not realizing that they have been robbed until it is too late; not by a robber, in your face, but by a thief, while (you) are asleep, iow.

bbyrd009 · Jul 4, 2017

rockytopva said:
"Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left." - Matthew 24:40-

shouldn't be too hard to get an idea of what a field symbolizes; it only remains to understand that a single person might be described as "two," or divided.

Two "women" "GRINDING AT A MILL" oops also brings to mind some obvious spiritual alliterations, i think.

Job · Jul 4, 2017

rockytopva said:
"Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left." - Matthew 24:40-

This does not sound like a post trib rapture!

This is the catching up that's spoken of in Thessalonians and Corinthians. The ones that are taken are the ones being caught up. The ones that are left are the ones that face God's wrath.

h

Job · Jul 4, 2017

Dcopymope said:
For the amount of pride expressed on this forum, a lot of you sure as hell don't seem too secure in your faith if you have to make 100 different threads about the most pivotal event prophesied to occur in the Bible.

It's called making conversation.

Dcopymope · Jul 4, 2017

Job said:
It's called making conversation.

Sure, make all the conversation you want, if you flood a forum with the same subject in 20 different threads on any other website, it would be shut down ASAP. People do it here because its tolerated and they want to be seen. They want to be the center of attention.

Dcopymope · Jul 4, 2017

Job said:
This is the catching up that's spoken of in Thessalonians and Corinthians. The ones that are taken are the ones being caught up. The ones that are left are the ones that face God's wrath.

I can't imagine getting caught up in the sky while I'm on the toilet, its always made me wonder.

n2thelight · Jul 13, 2017

rockytopva said:
"Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left." - Matthew 24:40-

This does not sound like a post trib rapture!

Matthew 24:40 "Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken and the other left."

The "field is the world, and as a servant of the true God, we are to be tending the vineyard of the Good Master, as we read in the parable of Matthew 21:, until the true Christ comes. Many pray and sing that they will be taken by the first to come, and in ignorance they pray to be taken by the Antichrist.

The one that is taken first is the one that is taken by Antichrist, we are to occupy or position in the field until until Jesus comes at the end of this earth age.

Matthew 24:41 "Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left."

The subject is the coming of the Antichrist, and the first one taken is the one taken by Satan the Antichrist. We are to continue to grind out the meal for the bread of Life, and the bread is the body of Christ, and His holy Word. Occupy until I come, we are commanded.

michaelvpardo · Jul 20, 2017

Job said:
This is the catching up that's spoken of in Thessalonians and Corinthians. The ones that are taken are the ones being caught up. The ones that are left are the ones that face God's wrath.

h

Not at all. Try reading both accounts. If the church is that which offends then I reject It For Jesus Christ.

michaelvpardo · Jul 20, 2017

skypair said:
1Thes 5:4, the very passage you cite, tells us that we can know approximately when it is near, at the door. "For you, brethren, are not in darkness that that day should overtake you as a thief." You seem to be simply believing what someone else told you rather than study it out for yourself. Hammer Stone gives you a good place to start, the Olivett Discourse. The folks disappearing can be both rapture (2Thes 2:6-8) and 2nd coming (Mt 13:39-40) ocurring 7 years apart.

skypair

Anyone can know the truth with absolute certainty, but first you must be born again, then you have to listen (and obey) when He speaks. The first is out of our controll, the latter is fought against by our flesh. If you do not yet know the truth, but just about Him, then pray that He gives you His Spirit in return for your submission to Him. He changes everything starting with the heart, but expect nothing if you haven't the faith to accept Him at His word. May the Lord bless you and keep you and make His face to shine upon you. May the Lord grant you peace, knowledge and rest in Him. Amen.

Job · Jul 20, 2017

michaelvpardo said:
Try reading both accounts

I'm at a loss here. Which accounts are you speaking of?

michaelvpardo · Jul 21, 2017

Job said:
I'm at a loss here. Which accounts are you speaking of?

There are 4 gospels, 3 of which cover the same events in the ministry of our Lord, And Are Therefore Called Synoptic (sorry About The Weird Capitalization, But The Software Writers For Amazon Are Obviously Not all That Bright And Im Tired Of Correcting Their Automiswriting Application.) Everything Taught In The Gospels Is Taught At Least Twice For Purely Legal Reasons, Though This Isn't Clear To Those Who Make No Effort To Study The Old Testament
When Interpreting Scripture, The Plain Meaning Of The TExt Is Most Commonly The True Meaning Of The Text. Deeper Spiritual Meanings May Be Underlying, But Only The Holy Spirit Interprets Such things. As A General Rule, The SCripture Has Only 1 Meaning IN its Original Context, but potentially an infinite number of applications. The doctrine of a pretribulation rapture is never explicitly addressed or taught in scipture, but inferred from a misreading of the various texts used to build its shakey structure and a fundamental misunderstanding of the character of God or of His immutable attributes. In some churches all you hear about God is that He is love, and then life becomes about interpreting how a loving God could do this or that (something perceived by us as evil.) However God is more than just love, He is also entirely just and equitable, rewarding evil with evil and good with good. However, this is not what we consistently observe in a fallen and corrupted world. (Make no mistake, Babylon is fallen and judgment is on the way.) If you're one of the pretribulation rapture believers, then answer me how God will test the fearlessness of His church (no cowards may enter the Holy City which is coming from above)?
Typically, the Lord let's His saints walk through the valley of the shadow of death, with nothing more than the light of His word. He delivers and rescues and saves all those who call upon Him in truth, but He allows the experience of trials and tribulations for the testing of our faith, for our sanctification, as a part of the process of renewing us in His image, which is the person of Jesus Christ.
Some folks think that the pretrib. rapture doctrine is harmless to the church, but a free pass from tribulation is always a temptation, not a blessing, and the bulk of the evangelical church has swallowed a huge lie that has crippled its effectiveness in the war for men's souls.
However the Lord knows what we can resist and what is too much for us, so His escape clause (for us) is an early homecoming (you actually do find this in Isaiah in a passage about entering your chambers until the indignation is past.) It's hard for mortal men to understand death as an act of grace, but those who belong to God and love Him as their Father are also kept by Him as a gift to His Son. We don't keep ourselves, God keeps us. Eternal truth is not readily grasped by creatures who live for a short while, but the resurrection and Christ's return should be our true hope, not an escape from fear and terrors. Those who have this hope (Christ's return) purify themselves. Why don't the pulpits (preachers) get it?

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