What's The Unforgivable Sin

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I am amazed at some of these answers.........as a matter of fact it is scary....but thats what a forum is about....to share our thoughts with one another..........The unpardonable sin spoken of in matt 12:31 is the pharasees rejection of the truth.....they were rejecting that which they knew was from GOD....They could not deny what the HOLY SPIRIT was doing through JESUS so they gave satan the credit for what was being done by GOD..read vs 24......also mark 3:22.....These pharasees were witnesses to HIS miracles, heard the truth HE spoke(and knew it to be so) but still rejected HIM and by doing that blasphemed the HOLY SPIRIT......It is only logical that rejection of the HOLY SPIRIT(unbeliefe) would be the unforgiven sin...for our LORD and SAVIOUR died for ALL of the sins of the elect...............regards.........Pop
 

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You are right to a point pops Blaspheme is the unforgivable sin pharaasees are an good example of this a type if you like there will be another time when you are called up before Satan and if you deney the Holy spirt at that time you will not be forgiven.That is yet to come the pharasees could still repent in Christs name and be forgiven
 

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well.....it is too late for those particular pharasees......the truth of the matter is .....If one is exposed to the true gospel of JESUS CHRIST and hears it....but rejects it in unbeliefe(seed on stony ground), then you have the same situation as in the case of the pharasees.............the unpardonable sin..........regards...Pop
 

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Pops I know we have agreed to disagree on the rapture thingbut we will never get any closer to agreeing on this subject either.Although we are agreeing on the jest of it .you can never fully understand this part if you have learned rapture doctrine, because it is either not taught or skewed to fit it.It is assumed you are not going to be here so why bother to learn it exactly. This is the danger of rapture doctrine many things of the final days are not taught or turned to fit it.I am not trying to argue you reguarding your point of view just explaining why you can not completely understand what I'm saying so we'll just have to agree this is as close as we are going to get.You will probaly run across more examples of this on this siteRapture Doctrine excludes many indepth teachings of end days.
 

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(Daniel salach;5253)
it was saying that Jesus' spirit, his power, the Holy Spirit, is unclean.
Why was it sinful to say that Jesus was unclean?
 

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You guys are forgetting to add the rest of the passage. Which is, "For anyone who speaks against the son of man it will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven in this age or the age to come.First off let me say, I've struggled with this for years. I thought I commited it when I read about it. I still struggle with this, as I'm OCD positive I guess. I see both views on this although puzzling.I've always wondered why people say not allowing the Holy Spirit to speak through you at the end time was unpardonable. I can see how it would be now. Thanks Christina, Sorry Jordan for arguing about this on another post,,,,,,,,{Tips Hat}I prayed a bunch about this, the answer I got was in a flash, as most seem to be. The answer I got was something about Jesus death on the cross, I don't have the words or a way to describe it, but it does seem like it's not possible now.But, I can't deny the very words, "But who ever speaks a word against the Holy Spirit" So that implies, speaking blasphemy. So seemingly it can be done at any time. But not by accident and not by thought.We then move on to the fin', "In this age, or the age to come" Now this is where I think it get's critical. Broken down, we have, "In this age" meaning a similar age to the end times. Similar as in, The Holy Spirit is active and present as a sign through Jesus. The Pharisees see this, and it has been made known to them. So they inturn deciding that they would loose stature and power, deny the very entity of the Holy Spirit and claim that it is satan doing the miricles. This does seem to mirror the end times. It seems that it could only be done back then.I thought that the "age to come" was after Jesus was resurected. But clearly we can see the age "this age" was already the age being spoken of, being Jesus alive before his death and resurection. Or the time (age) before. Now that flash answer makes sense."Age to come" The days of the antichrist is inherently a different age. Many differences as in Satan coming into power (or seeming power) over earth and being the ruler for a time. A time (age) where no christian can work, except by the Holy Spirit. (not that we could work any other way) But, it's mirrored much the same way. Pharisees father was satan and persecuted JesusSatan will persecute the Church the exact same way.So, yes, by not letting the Holy Spirit speak through you would be a sin, compounded by, the only reason you wouldn't would be through fear of the devil, or deciding for some ate up reason that the devil would be better.I thought I had this deal resolved before. Now it's made clear!
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QUOTE (Christina @ Sep 23 2006, 04:56 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2895
All talk of this blasphemeth act that is the unforgivable sin but how and what exactley is this sin committed?
The question is: “what exactly is this unforgivable sin committed?”The Word of God is very clear if we read it in context. The problem is that some people take one verse and build their own doctrine as they read the Bible in such a manner that they “read what they believe and they do not believe what they read”.Matthew 12:22-32 22 Then one was brought to Him who was demon-possessed, blind and mute; and He healed him, so that the blind and mute man both spoke and saw. 23 And all the multitudes were amazed and said, “Could this be the Son of David?” 24 Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.” 25 But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you. 29 Or how can one enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house. 30 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.31 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.When we read this part of Scripture in context we will see a couple of things.1. Jesus healed a demon-possessed man2. The multitudes recognized Jesus as to be the “Son of David” in other words the Messiah3. The Pharisees heard what happened and said: “This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.” What they did by saying that, they contributed the works of the Holy Spirit by which Jesus set this man free to satan himself.4. Jesus knew their thoughts and spoke to them and explained what they did in verses 25 – 30 and then in verse 31 he said that “every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men”. In other words every thing you do against me will be forgiven, but, “the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men”. So this thing you did to speak against the Holy Spirit by contributing His works to satan will not be forgiven.
 

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QUOTE (gohteb @ Apr 9 2009, 08:09 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72207
QUOTE (Christina @ Dec 16 2006, 06:59 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=5249
the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven."' Matt 12:30-32 NIVThis is the only unforgivable sin the End there is no other It can only be committed when the son of perdition is upon earth
Nonsense, anybody can blaspheme the Holy Spirit today. This heresy you believe in about when satan is going to come to earth some day hahahaha he is here already, wake upWhere is Satan then? Have you seen him? Where is he today on Earth? If you can't answer through scripture bethog, all your judgment is nothing more than hypocrisy and prejudices towards other members
 

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QUOTE (gohteb @ Apr 9 2009, 08:09 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72207
Nonsense, anybody can blaspheme the Holy Spirit today. This heresy you believe in about when satan is going to come to earth some day hahahaha he is here already, wake up
I think it can be done today, but I don't believe a believer is capable of it. It also maynot be possible today. No one is saying satan is not here on earth. We're talking about the endtimes beast and the final antichrist.So, we're awake. Care to contribute to the conversation?
 

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QUOTE (WhiteKnuckle @ Apr 9 2009, 08:20 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72209
QUOTE (gohteb @ Apr 9 2009, 08:09 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72207
Nonsense, anybody can blaspheme the Holy Spirit today. This heresy you believe in about when satan is going to come to earth some day hahahaha he is here already, wake up
I think it can be done today, but I don't believe a believer is capable of it. It also maynot be possible today. No one is saying satan is not here on earth. We're talking about the endtimes beast and the final antichrist.So, we're awake. Care to contribute to the conversation?I will contribute to this conversation.How can a unbeliever commit the unforgiveable sin if they never heard the truth of God? Only the elect of God can commit this unforgiveable sin. This sin is only for future time.The spirit of Satan is here... but the the physical side of Satan is not here yet... Satan is in Heaven, but his evil spirits roams on Earth today. Satan is that final Anti-Christ... He is the one that started the whole mess as he is the leader of the rebellion.
 

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QUOTE (Jordan @ Apr 9 2009, 09:29 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72212
I think it can be done today, but I don't believe a believer is capable of it. It also maynot be possible today. No one is saying satan is not here on earth. We're talking about the endtimes beast and the final antichrist.So, we're awake. Care to contribute to the conversation?I will contribute to this conversation.How can a unbeliever commit the unforgiveable sin if they never heard the truth of God? Only the elect of God can commit this unforgiveable sin. This sin is only for future time.The spirit of Satan is here... but the the physical side of Satan is not here yet... Satan is in Heaven, but his evil spirits roams on Earth today. Satan is that final Anti-Christ... He is the one that started the whole mess as he is the leader of the rebellion.
Satan ain't in Heaven. The reason I say a believer can't meaning, Believer one who is saved. Not someone who God has revealed himself to.
 

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QUOTE (Jordan @ Apr 9 2009, 08:29 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72212
I will contribute to this conversation.How can a unbeliever commit the unforgiveable sin if they never heard the truth of God? Only the elect of God can commit this unforgiveable sin. This sin is only for future time.The spirit of Satan is here... but the the physical side of Satan is not here yet... Satan is in Heaven, but his evil spirits roams on Earth today. Satan is that final Anti-Christ... He is the one that started the whole mess as he is the leader of the rebellion.
Satan ain't in Heaven. The reason I say a believer can't meaning, Believer one who is saved. Not someone who God has revealed himself to.Satan ain't in Heaven? Care to back that up with scripture? If a believer can't commit the unforgiveable sin, who can commit it then?
 

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QUOTE (Jordan @ Apr 9 2009, 09:42 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=72214
Satan ain't in Heaven. The reason I say a believer can't meaning, Believer one who is saved. Not someone who God has revealed himself to.Satan ain't in Heaven? Care to back that up with scripture? If a believer can't commit the unforgiveable sin, who can commit it then?
Isiah 14:12-How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!Luke 10:18-And he said to them, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. Behold, I have given you authority to tread upon serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy; and nothing shall hurt you." I think there are 2 kinds of believers as far as this is concerned. 1. The one who God has revealed himself. 2. The one who God revealed himself and accepted salvation through Jesus Christ. The former (1) can because at that point he makes a decision of what he wants. The later (2) Can't, based on this, 1 John 3:9-Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.If you look, the Pharisees saw that it was the work of God. It was revealed to them. So Jesus warned them, I don't believe they commited it, however, they were about to.
 

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Satan is most certainly in heaven he is held there by Christ and Michael accusing us day and night he has been there sense Christ conquered him on the cross .. He is being held there untill the appointed time ... read Rev. 9 and 12.... his tares and evil spirits roam the earth Satan personally does not ... at present but he will shortly ...and anyone not understanding this is in danger of being taken in by him . Both the verse's above refered to are future events not past ....
 

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The unforgivable sin is having the truth and the life revealed to you, but denying it and continuing to preach myths and fairytales.The unforgivable sin is the blind leading the blind, but only when the blind KNOWS they are leading the blind.
 

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But with the unpardonable sin as you orthodox call it was at the end of the last age which I will call the age of law; because the new age of the church had not begun. But just like the age of the law their are men of God who could not comprehended the new spiritual principles. Pharisees and rulers that they might lose their hold on the people and they were willing to do almost anything to keep the people from following Jesus. They were proud of the reputation they had among the people; that fed their pride, supported their power, and filled their purses. They saw very clearly that if the popularity and power of Jesus continued to rise, their power would be absolutely gone. Upon occasion they said, "What can we do?" for "the world is gone after Him." It was necessary for the Pharisees to account for the wonder that had been wrought in some way. Whatever way they chose, it was necessary that they should acknowledge that there was super-human power; the people were fully persuaded of this and no man could deny it. So the Pharisees proclaimed to the people, "This man casts out demons only by and with the help of Beelzebub, the prince of demons."Jesus addresses these stem words to the self-righteous religious leaders of the Jewish nation. Jesus said. words as these demand our careful attention for two reasons: first, in order that we may place no untrue emphasis on them; and, secondly, that we may by no means minimize their terrible meaning. We are in danger of making both these mistakes. We may read into them meanings which He never intended; or we may explain away the most solemn words Jesus Christ ever uttered. The only way in which we can hope to understand, is by taking them in the simplest way possible. Our Lord declared, in the words of the King James Bible, "All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaks against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come" (Mat. 12:31-32). The Holy Spirit, on the other hand, is the activity, the action, the motion, the operation, the force, the energy, the influence of God toward men. The English word "spirit" is from the Latin SPIRARE, meaning "to breathe," the words "respiration," "expiration," and "inspiration" all being derived from the same source. Similarly the Greek word PNEUMA comes from PNEO, meaning "to breathe or blow," and the Hebrew RUAHH is believed to come from a root having the same meaning. The Holy Spirit is God's breath, God's out-breathing, God's ENERGY FORCE by which He accomplishes His purpose and executes His will. Many times we have thought of the Holy Spirit as "power," and certainly He has power, but power is basically the ability or capacity to act or do things and it can be latent, dormant, inactively resident in someone or something. "Force," on the other hand, more specifically describes energy projected and exerted on persons or things, and may be defined as "an influence which produces or tends to produce motion, or change of motion." "Power" might be likened to the stored energy in a battery, while "force" could be compared to the current flowing from such battery. "Force," then, more accurately represents the sense of the Hebrew and Greek terms as relating to God's Spirit, and this is borne out by a consideration of the scriptures. Thus, the Holy Spirit is God's ENERGY FORCE. It is God's energy force projected and exerted upon man. It is God's motion, action and influence in one measure or another upon man. Hence that Spirit is also spoken of as God's "hand" or "fingers." Jesus told the Pharisees, "If I cast out devils by the SPIRIT of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you" (Mat. 12:28). But Luke, in recording the same event, expresses it thus: "If I with the FINGER of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you" (Lk. 11:20). The Holy Spirit is the working, the activity of God usward. Let's look at that for just a moment. The religious rulers were not in danger of committing the unpardonable sin because they said that Jesus performed miracles by the power of the devil. That is not the condemnation. He says that ALL BLASPHEMIES shall be forgiven men. There is not a sin that you committed yesterday but what if you come to Christ today He would forgive you and accept you. His mercies are higher than the heavens. What then was their problem? They were expressing an attitude of unbelief which was persistent and calculated rejection of the activity of God toward them. They were resisting the Holy Spirit, striving against the influence of God acting upon their minds and hearts. Notice that later on Stephen was brought before this same group, and he said to them the same thing the Lord Jesus had said: "You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, you do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do you" (Acts 7:51). They were doing the same thing their fathers had done. In Christ's day they were resisting the Holy Spirit, and the same condition exists today - they are still resisting the Holy Spirit! Their sin of blaspheming the Holy Spirit ran deeper than this. It was not their attitude toward an unseen and invisible God in heaven. It was not their treatment of God manifested outwardly in the flesh before their eyes. It was, rather, their reviling of God's SPIRITUAL ENERGY FORCE, their utter and complete contempt for His illuminating and transforming ACTIVITY TOWARD THEM BY SPIRIT, their impious response to the GRACIOUS ACTION AND INFLUENCE of God in mighty spirit power as He touched the deepest chords within their hearts by the moving and wooing and brooding of the Holy Ghost. Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaks a word against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come" (Mat. 12:31-32). I am glad that Jesus said that all manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men. I believe that is true. ALL manner. There is no kind of sin, which because of its kind, or manner, is unpardonable. The enemies of the truth of the ultimate salvation of all men have relied on this dissertation about the unpardonable sin given by our Lord, as their outstanding bulwark of defense against those who affirm that Christ is indeed the Saviour of all men, the Saviour of the world. Invariably, when the certainty of eternal torment is discussed and doubted, the sin against the Holy Ghost is brought forward as an impregnable defense against forgiveness hereafter for at least one sin. Few know how to reply. Here is what the Lord said: "But whosoever speaks against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come." On the surface it seems conclusive to the unthinking; and it has equally seemed so to learned theologians who have been trained in the channels of orthodox thinking. Yet, as a matter of fact, these words of our Lord are among the strongest collateral evidence that can be produced in support of the truth of the reconciliation of all men to God. Hearken! A sin against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven in this "world," nor in the "world" to come. While the King James version states that the sin against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven in this world nor in the world to come, that is not quite the meaning of the Greek. The Greek word here translated "world" is AION. This word AION has been translated into fifteen different English words and phrases, many of which convey the wrong meaning entirely. The simple meaning of AION is "age." An AION is "an age." Two AION(S) are two "ages." A thousand AION(S) are a thousand "ages." We can discuss aion later; for there will always be a debate until that which is perfect has come.Wuest translates, "Whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this age nor in the one about to come." The Weymouth New Testament reads, "Whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit shall obtain forgiveness neither in this age nor in the coming age." The New International Version renders, "Anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come." The Emphasized Bible (Rotherham) says, "Whosoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him either in this age, or the coming." The Concordant New Testament reads, "Whoever may be saying aught against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be pardoned him, neither in this eon nor in that which is impending." These words of our Lord, so far from proving that the sin against the Holy Spirit is "unpardonable," distinctly assert, - first, that ALL MANNER of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men, - secondly, that some sins, those, namely, against the Son of man, can be forgiven in the present age, - and, thirdly, that other sins, against the Holy Ghost, cannot be forgiven either in the age when Jesus came to earth, nor in the age that would immediately follow; which last words clearly indicate that some sins not here forgiven may be forgiven in the next age. That is what the text plainly says. It says absolutely nothing about a sin that is "unpardonable" throughout endless ages to comeWe should not fail to note the wording of our Lord's pronouncement as given in Mk. 3:28-30. To overlook this would invite a charge that it was unanswerable. "Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith so ever they shall blaspheme: but he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost has never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation." The correct original is "has not for the eon (age) forgiveness, but is in danger of eonian (age-during) by judgment," - thereby giving it quite a different meaning from the translation in the "Authorized." My Greek-English Interlinear reads, "But whoever may speak evil to the spirit the holy, not has forgiveness to the age, but liable is of age-lasting judgment." A free translation would be, "HE that shall blaspheme against the Holy Spirit has not forgiveness to the age, but is held in and liable to the age-lasting process of judgment: because they said, He has an unclean spirit. J Preston Eby