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When the ten Northern tribes of Israel were deported by Assyria, the people were lost only because they lost the name of Israel. In fact, they began to multiply and be prosperous in their exile, exactly as the prophets said that they would: Deuteronomy 33:1-29

Hosea 12:8 Ephraim says: Surely I have become rich and made my fortune….
Hosea 1:10 The Israelites will be as countless as the sands of the sea…..

Although Israel and Judah were allowed to be conquered and then scattered by God, this is for a decreed period of exile and once again:

Hosea 1:11 The people of Judah and of Israel, [now every Christian] will be reunited and will live together again in the Promised Land. They will choose for themselves a leader.
Must be before the Return of Jesus: Jeremiah 30:21 A leader will arise, one of them…..

Hosea 2:19-23 I shall betroth you to Myself for ever, bestowing righteousness and justice, loyalty and love... will say, ‘You are My people’ and you will say, ‘You are our God’.
Romans 6:24-26…you will be called the sons of the Living God.

Even though God did cast off the Israelites, scattering them around the world, His purpose was to sow them, so that they would increase and prosper and fulfil His promise to Abraham and the prophecies to the 12 sons of Jacob. Genesis 49 & Deuteronomy 33
But in the last days:
Hosea 1:10 ….It will no longer be said of them, “You are not My people”, they will be calledChildren of the Living God”. That is: true Christians. Galatians 3:29, 1 John 3:1-2

The problem today, is that most Christians try to make the Jews fit these prophecies and that is why so many writers and teachers made themselves look foolish, like saying that Jesus would return in 1988, that being forty years after the Jewish state of Israel began. All the prophets differentiate between Judah and Israel and to say that they have already rejoined, is to ignore this clear distinction. Until their rejoining, there are many great blessings given to lost Israel and Judah, but they both still face a judgement. Ezekiel 20:34-38 When they rejoin in the Promised Land, then they will be reconciled and will live together in peace and prosperity.

The Jewish historian Josephus: circa 100AD, knew where the ten tribes of Israel were and we know that the writers of the New Testament also knew of their location. The Apostles Peter and James both address their letters to “the scattered people of God, now living as aliens” and “Greetings to the 12 tribes, dispersed throughout the world”.

When Peter refers to these peoples as “a chosen nation, a holy people, a royal priesthood,” he was not using spiritualised terminology, he was actually talking to the Israelites - lost as God planned it. He was appealing to them on the basis of their known heritage, telling them the good news that Jesus had redeemed them from their sins which brought about their dispersion 750 years earlier. All this, Peter says, is made possible by Jesus’ work on the Cross. His first appearance on earth secured His rights to rule, His Return will secure the birthright, which was given to Joseph, the ruling tribe of the lost House of Israel. The work of reuniting the birthright with Jesus the King began with the apostles as they spread the gospel to these “lost sheep”. John 10:16

Tracing these Israelites is no longer any difficulty. The historical, archaeological, linguistic and heraldic records give all the evidence needed to link the Israelites with the Western, Caucasian nations of the world. The only way to understand why these facts are not widely known is that it is God’s plan that Israel be lost and thought to be assimilated. Remember that the exile punishment of Judah and Israel was for a decreed time, Ezekiel 4:4-6 and they are promised to go back there again. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Psalms 60:1-5, Jeremiah 23:3-4

Jacob thought that his birthright son, Joseph, was lost forever in the original prophetic pattern. But the day is coming when the descendants of his sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, will be seen again, as the leaders of true Israel, the new nation of Beulah, back in all of the Promised Land. Isaiah 62:1-5, Psalms 69:35-36
And they will find the Title Deed buried by Jeremiah 32:14, to prove their ownership of the Land.



Bruce McKerras January 2012
 

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When Peter refers to these peoples as “a chosen nation, a holy people, a royal priesthood,” he was not using spiritualised terminology, he was actually talking to the Israelites - lost as God planned it.
Yes, this is true to a point. they was scatted but it is the spiritual gathering of the sheep that was lost. and build as the foundation of the spiritual new Jerusalem. scripture, 1 Peter 2:4 "To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious, 5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ".
 

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Yes, this is true to a point. they was scatted but it is the spiritual gathering of the sheep that was lost. and build as the foundation of the spiritual new Jerusalem. scripture, 1 Peter 2:4 "To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious, 5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ".
Yes, in this age, while we Christians remain scattered around the world, we are God's Spiritual people. But the time; well prophesied and soon to come, that we will be the Lord's holy people, in all of His holy Land. That is our destiny; to be His witnesses, Isaiah 43:10 and the Light to the nations. Isaiah 49:8
Remember that ethnicity doesn't count for anything in Christ. ALL are saved who believe and are born again in His Spirit. John 3:16
However, God's secret is that the majority of His people are, in fact, actual descendants of Jacob. This fulfils God's promise to the Patriarchs, of their descendants occupying all that area from the Nile to the Euphrates. Not happened yet, but it surely will!
 

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Remember that ethnicity doesn't count for anything in Christ. ALL are saved who believe and are born again in His Spirit. John 3:16
This is true, Romans 2:28 & 29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God".
This fulfils God's promise to the Patriarchs, of their descendants occupying all that area from the Nile to the Euphrates. Not happened yet, but it surely will!
I'm not so sure about that, scripture, Romans 9:27 "Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved".

and here is that remnant, Romans 9:7-16 "Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son. 10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; 11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) 12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy".
 

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I'm not so sure about that, scripture, Romans 9:27 "Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved".
Paul [or the Bible translators] are often not clear enough about who they mean regarding the Jews and Israel.
When we read Romans 9:24-27, it is clear that verses 24-26 are about Christians, from Jew and Gentile alike. Then in verse 27, he says: But about Israel [here he means just the Jews] only a remnant will be saved. That remnant will be the Messianic Jews and the majority of those who will be called the sons of the Living God, are non Jews and could be from the other 10 tribes of Israel or purely Gentile. Proved by Isaiah 66:18b, Revelation 5:9-10, where it is people from every tribe, race, nation and language, that will go to inhabit all of the holy Land. Psalms 69:36, Jeremiah 23:3-4, +
 

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Paul [or the Bible translators] are often not clear enough about who they mean regarding the Jews and Israel.
When we read Romans 9:24-27, it is clear that verses 24-26 are about Christians, from Jew and Gentile alike. Then in verse 27, he says: But about Israel [here he means just the Jews] only a remnant will be saved. That remnant will be the Messianic Jews and the majority of those who will be called the sons of the Living God, are non Jews and could be from the other 10 tribes of Israel or purely Gentile. Proved by Isaiah 66:18b, Revelation 5:9-10, where it is people from every tribe, race, nation and language, that will go to inhabit all of the holy Land. Psalms 69:36, Jeremiah 23:3-4, +
the bible and the translators are very clear. Romans 9:7 "Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called." Jacob is all Israel, scripture, Isaiah 10:20 "And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth".
 

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the bible and the translators are very clear. Romans 9:7 "Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called." Jacob is all Israel, scripture,
Isaac is the type for Jesus; he was Abrahams seed and he was to be the sacrificial lamb.
Jacob is Israel, the Overcomer and his twelve sons constitute the twelve tribes of Israel, But the tribes separated into two Houses after Solomon, as they remain to this day. See my post #231 on the 'rapture' thread.
The prophets all carefully differentiate between Israel and Judah, over 160 times they are mentioned as two distinct entities. Those who survive the forthcoming Day of the Lord's wrath, will join with their brethren in all of the holy Land; Jew, Israelite and Gentile, as described in Isaiah 66:15-21.
 
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GINOLJC, FIRST THANKS FOR THE RESPOND.
Isaac is the type for Jesus; he was Abrahams seed and he was to be the sacrificial lamb.
Jacob is Israel, the Overcomer and his twelve sons constitute the twelve tribes of Israel, But the tribes separated into two Houses after Solomon, as they remain to this day. See my post #231 on the 'rapture' thread.
The prophets all carefully differentiate between Israel and Judah, over 160 times they are mentioned as two distinct entities. Those who survive the forthcoming Day of the Lord's wrath, will join with their brethren in all of the holy Land; Jew, Israelite and Gentile, as described in Isaiah 66:15-21.
Isaac was "a" seed of Abraham, but not "the" seed of Abraham by faith. and two, Isaac was offered, but not sacrificed. third I believe both houses are one now in Spirit and in truth, supportive scriptures, Ephesians 2:11-13 "Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ". NOW THE TWO STICKS ONE. verses 14-19 "For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God".

the apostle Peter and James clearly defines who these strangers and foreigners are, the "GENTILES" who are the scattered tribes of Israel. for that word "Gentile" are referencing the LOST TRIBES, listen, James 1:1 "James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting". 1 Peter 1:1 "Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,". who was in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia? let the bible speak, Acts 2:5 "And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven".
now verses 8-10 "And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? 9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10 "Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes".

all of the kingdom Israel, jews, strangers scattered, who are called GENTILES. for the word stranger and Gentile are interchangeable for " foreign nation" or a foreigner. and the word foreigner means a person born in or coming from a country other than one's own. just what was described in Acts 2:5 "And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven".
 

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Happy are they who give their allegiance to the Lord:
Isaiah 56:1-2 These are the words of the Lord; Maintain justice and do what is right, for My deliverance is close at hand and My victory will soon be revealed. Happy is the person who follows these precepts and holds fast to them, who keeps the Sabbaths unprofained and his hand from all wrongdoing.
Isaiah 56:3-5 The foreigner who has given his allegiance to the Lord must not say; The Lord will exclude me from His people. The eunuch must not say: I am naught but a barren tree. The eunuch’s who keep My Sabbaths and choose to do My will, holding fast to the covenant, will receive from Me something better than children – a memorial and a name within My Temple. I shall give them everlasting renown.

Isaiah 56:6-7 So too, with the foreigners who give their allegiance to Me, to minister to Me and love My name and become My servants. All who keep My Sabbaths holy and hold fast to My covenant; these I shall bring to My holy Mountain and give them joy in My House of prayer. Their offerings and sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar, for My House will be called a House of prayer for all nations.

Isaiah 56:8 This is the word of the Lord, who gathers those driven out of Israel: I shall add to those who have already been gathered.

This Bible passage, written by the prophet Isaiah, gives a wonderful promise to every person – regardless of race, colour or gender. The promise of the Lord, to give them; “Joy in My House of prayer

In verse 8, it seems that this will happen after all the faithful Christians, [Israelites of God] have gathered into the Land. Ezekiel 20:34-35, Jeremiah 30:10
Also as in verse 7, the Temple will have been rebuilt by then.

Isaiah 66:18-21...I am coming to gather peoples of every tongue. They will come to see My glory. I shall put a sign on them and will send them to preach the Gospel to all the peoples that have not heard of Me. From every nation and by every means, My righteous people will come to My Holy mountain, Jerusalem, just as in ancient days, the Israelites brought their offerings to Me. Some of them, I shall take to be priests and Temple Levites.
Some of these; are the 144,000 as mentioned in Revelation. This all must occur before the Return of Jesus. 2 Thess. 1:10…He reveals His glory among His own… Revelation 14:1
 

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Ephesians 2:19 "Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit".
 

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Ephesians 2:19 "Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit".
I repeat: in this Church age, we Christians are the spiritual Temple of God. This fact does not preclude a physical Temple in the future. Prophecy is clear; there must be another Temple, if for nothing else than for the Anti-Christ to sit in and declare himself to be god. 2 Thess 2:3-4
 

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I repeat: in this Church age, we Christians are the spiritual Temple of God. This fact does not preclude a physical Temple in the future. Prophecy is clear; there must be another Temple, if for nothing else than for the Anti-Christ to sit in and declare himself to be god. 2 Thess 2:3-4


I realize this might be off subject, but the son of perdition is he a king? (I ask because I'm not as focused on this as many are) and if so, then he has no business in the temple which could be the reason, or a reason for the third temple. in the law, the king isn't permitted in the temple only priests.
 

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I realize this might be off subject, but the son of perdition is he a king? (I ask because I'm not as focused on this as many are) and if so, then he has no business in the temple which could be the reason, or a reason for the third temple. in the law, the king isn't permitted in the temple only priests.
As described in Zechariah 14:1-2, Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7, the Anti-Christ leader of the One World Govt, will conquer the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, every faithful Christian; that will be living in all of the holy Land, by then. He will sit in the temple, declaring himself to be god. 2 Thess 2:4
They [us; Zechariah 6:15] will have built the new Temple, as specified in Ezekiel 40-43
 

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I repeat: in this Church age, we Christians are the spiritual Temple of God. This fact does not preclude a physical Temple in the future. Prophecy is clear; there must be another Temple, if for nothing else than for the Anti-Christ to sit in and declare himself to be god. 2 Thess 2:3-4
GINOLJC, I repeat, there is no physical temple. revelation is clear about that, as well as the prophet Ezekiel. listen, Revelation 21:14-17 "And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. 15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof. 16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. 17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel". keras THESE ARE NOT PHYSICAL MEASUREMENTS. what the angel is measuring is exactly what John was to measure in chapter 11 verse 1. the temple of God is his body, us. scripture, 1 Corinthians 6:18 & 19 "Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. 19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? ". see keras what was measured was worship, in spirit and truth.let me make it very clear, listen, Revelation 3:12 "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name". see keras, the temple and the city are people. another example, Revelation 14:1 "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads". Revelation 7:4 "And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. #1., "having his Father's name written in their foreheads", just go back to what I just said and watch the red, Revelation 3:12 "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name".

my God how clear can one get. it's the Lord Jesus name who is written in our heads.

now the 144,000. again , or as you said repeat, Revelation 21:14-17 "And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. 15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof. 16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal". 144,000 divided by 12 = 12,000. now scripture, see Revelation 7:4-8, mystery solved.

the Golden Reed in rev 21:15 is the Golden RULE which is LOVE, meaning a church without spot or wrinkle. and this is performed by the measure of the Spirit that's in us, (see 2 Corinthians 10:12), and read Gill's commentary.
 
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As described in Zechariah 14:1-2, Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7, the Anti-Christ leader of the One World Govt, will conquer the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, every faithful Christian; that will be living in all of the holy Land, by then. He will sit in the temple, declaring himself to be god. 2 Thess 2:4
They [us; Zechariah 6:15] will have built the new Temple, as specified in Ezekiel 40-43


ok then what of the roman emperor that set his image in the temple that happened already?
 

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GINOLJC, I repeat, there is no physical temple. revelation is clear about that, as well as the prophet Ezekiel.
Revelation 11:1-2 IS clear: there will be a new Temple in the end times. Ezekiel's very detailed description and of the ordinances have not been fulfilled yet, but they will be and why not? God did want His people to worship Him in a Temple and His Shekinah glory was in it, in Solomon's Temple. It will come again to this new Temple. Ezekiel 43:1-4
After the Millennium, as you point out, then there won't be a need for a Temple.

DPMartin, No Roman Emperor fulfilled the 'Abomination of Desolation' prophecy. Caligula tried to and Titus watched the Temple burn.
However Antiochus Epiphanes 4th did desecrate the Temple in 167 BC. His actions were a preview of what is yet to come. Matthew 24:15
 

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Revelation 11:1-2 IS clear: there will be a new Temple in the end times. Ezekiel's very detailed description and of the ordinances have not been fulfilled yet, but they will be and why not? God did want His people to worship Him in a Temple and His Shekinah glory was in it, in Solomon's Temple. It will come again to this new Temple. Ezekiel 43:1-4
GINOLJC, ok keras, please explain to me how an OVER COMER is made a PILLAR in the temple of God?. Revelation 3:12 "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name". do the overcomer becomes a stone, a piece of wood, hay or stubble?. see keras it's a metaphor. the symbolic language of the temple is metaphoric. on the subject an example. 1 Corinthians 3:9 "For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. 10 "According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.1 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are".

so keras, what "FOUNDATION" did the apostle Paul lay? scripture, Revelation 21:14 "And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb". lets get the answer, Ephesians 2:20 "And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit". what foundation was laid? how was it built upon?.
 
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101G, we can easily discern what is metaphorical and what is actual. We use those terms today, like: 'He was a pillar of the church'...
Of course we Christians are God's spiritual Temple, in this age. But as Paul tells us in 1 Cor 3:13-14, there is coming a Day when we will all be tested, 1 Peter 3:12, then all that is prophesied up to the glorious Return of Jesus, will take place.
Do not confuse Revelation 21 & 22, that describe Eternity, with our present situation and the Millennium.
 

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Revelation 11:1-2 IS clear: there will be a new Temple in the end times. Ezekiel's very detailed description and of the ordinances have not been fulfilled yet, but they will be and why not? God did want His people to worship Him in a Temple and His Shekinah glory was in it, in Solomon's Temple. It will come again to this new Temple. Ezekiel 43:1-4
After the Millennium, as you point out, then there won't be a need for a Temple.

DPMartin, No Roman Emperor fulfilled the 'Abomination of Desolation' prophecy. Caligula tried to and Titus watched the Temple burn.
However Antiochus Epiphanes 4th did desecrate the Temple in 167 BC. His actions were a preview of what is yet to come. Matthew 24:15
I,m not trying to be difficult. But what is your take on exactly what the abomination of desolation is?
It is very possible that the temple issue you originally reference to and the abomination of desalination are separate events
If my memory serves what the emperors did can be the prophecy filled without what Daniel describes as the AOD